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Preserving Democracy: What Went Wrong In Ohio

B

BBond

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Thanks Darkhawk for sending me a link to The Conyer's Report

An excerpt from the Executive Summary:

We have found numerous, serious election irregularities in the Ohio presidential election, which resulted in a significant disenfranchisement of voters. Cumulatively, these irregularities, which affected hundreds of thousands of votes and voters in Ohio, raise grave doubts regarding whether it can be said the Ohio electors selected on December 13, 2004, were chosen in a manner that conforms to Ohio law, let alone federal requirements and constitutional standards.

This report, therefore, makes three recommendations: (1) consistent with the requirements of the United States Constitution concerning the counting of electoral votes by Congress and Federal law implementing these requirements, there are ample grounds for challenging the electors from the State of Ohio; (2) Congress should engage in further hearings into the widespread irregularities reported in Ohio; we believe the problems are serious enough to warrant the appontment of a joint select Committee of the House and Senate to investigate and report back to the Members; and (3) Congress needs to enact election reform to restore our people's trust in our democracy. These changes should include putting in place more specific federal protections for federal elections, particularly in the areas of audit capability for electronic voting machines and casting and counting of provisional ballots, as well as other needed changes to federal and state election laws.

With regards to our factual findings, in brief, we find that there were massive and unprecendented voter irregularities and anomalies in Ohio. In many cases these irregulartities were caused by intentional misconduct and illegal behavior, much of it involving Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, the co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign in Ohio.
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Read the full report.


 
[neocon]You wouldn't care about voting fraud committed at the highest levels of US Government if your guy benefitted from it.. [/neocon]
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Conyers can't even keep track of 80 turkeys. Why should I trust him to tell me how votes were mishandled?
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LOL, that'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
[neocon]You wouldn't care about voting fraud committed at the highest levels of US Government if your guy benefitted from it.. [/neocon]
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They sure don't care to look into Pennsylvania where the vote was even closer than Ohio. Of course, their man took Pa., so your comment seems spot-on and truthful.

 
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Conyers can't even keep track of 80 turkeys. Why should I trust him to tell me how votes were mishandled?
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LOL, that'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
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I agree with you. Losing track of 80 donated turkeys for the poor is rather pathetic.

 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Conyers can't even keep track of 80 turkeys. Why should I trust him to tell me how votes were mishandled?
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LOL, that'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
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I agree with you. Losing track of 80 donated turkeys for the poor is rather pathetic.
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Read the report or don't post your drivel.
 
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Conyers can't even keep track of 80 turkeys. Why should I trust him to tell me how votes were mishandled?
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LOL, that'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
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I agree with you. Losing track of 80 donated turkeys for the poor is rather pathetic.
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Read the report or don't post your drivel.
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Just like you guys collectively sh!t on anything from Drudge, I sh!t on anything from Conyers - one of the biggest, liberal, shrill, limp-wristed, candy-assed, partisan pieces of sh!t in Congress.
 


Why are the democrats not looking into voting irregularities that happened in PA and WA, as the the victory margins were much smaller.


Oh yea, they won in those states....:roll:
 
Originally posted by: charrison


Why are the democrats not looking into voting irregularities that happened in PA and WA, as the the victory margins were much smaller.


Oh yea, they won in those states....:roll:
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They are all hypocrites. Both Dems and Reps. Each looking out for their own interests.
 
Originally posted by: Aelius
Originally posted by: charrison


Why are the democrats not looking into voting irregularities that happened in PA and WA, as the the victory margins were much smaller.


Oh yea, they won in those states....:roll:
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They are all hypocrites. Both Dems and Reps. Each looking out for their own interests.
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Your right, but the democrats are making themselves looks stupid to contest a 120k vote lead in ohio.
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Aelius
Originally posted by: charrison


Why are the democrats not looking into voting irregularities that happened in PA and WA, as the the victory margins were much smaller.


Oh yea, they won in those states....:roll:
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They are all hypocrites. Both Dems and Reps. Each looking out for their own interests.
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Your right, but the democrats are making themselves looks stupid to contest a 120k vote lead in ohio.
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Based on what happened in the WA governers contest, they may feel that if they cause enough problems, they might succeed in getting their way by throwing a temper tantrum.

They can keep on trying to recount Ohio until they can steal enough votes to make it look legit.

But heaven forbid if a blue state gets audited.

Why not have an whole re-election again?

 
Challengers are go (Keith Olbermann)

Sick Bed, New York? Nothing is in writing and daybreak is a long way away, but it appeared all but certain in early evening Wednesday that House Democrats had secured the support of up to half a dozen Senators to formally challenge the Electoral College slate from Ohio, when the votes are opened before a joint session of Congress tomorrow.

Congressional sources tell this reporter that the house half of the written objection ? which has the declared support of more than a dozen Representatives ? is expected to be signed by Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones of Ohio. Republican leadership expects the Senate signatory to be Barbara Boxer of California, but this has not yet been formalized. The Majority is also worried about the possible absence of many of its members in both houses, and the prospect that a quorum might not be achieved, leading the process into uncharted, albeit not very threatening, constitutional grounds. There is a mathematical, if not practical, chance that the ratification of the Electoral College vote could be delayed past tomorrow.

As it is, a written challenge would require the joint session to suspend for several hours, during which the Senate and the House would meet separately and debate the merits of the objection.

The ad hoc group formed by Representative John Conyers of Michigan has also today published its staff report, concluding that before, during, and after the election in Ohio, many state laws may have been broken, in every area ranging from the allocation of voting machines, election day "anomalies," and the recount. It recommended a formal Congressional inquiry, and additional legislation to reform voting laws.
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When a red state gets auditied, its "Preserving democracy" when a Blue state gets audited, its "disenfranchising voters"
 
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
John Conyers and several House Judiciary Committee members are asking for a special prosecutor to investigate the Ohio Election and Kenneth Blackwell, including possible criminal charges being filed.

Blackwell in big trouble.
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Partisan politics.

Apparently stealing the WA governers seat is not satisfying enough.

In 2000 the Dems could point to the USSC ruling as an excuse for 4 years.

Now that the courts did not get involved, some whiners have to find something else to complain about their poor showing.

The Dems seem to be unwilling to accept that they had a communication problem in getting their message to the voters, not that the voters werre stolen from them.

There were many other states that they could have captured with less votes that would more than compensate for Ohio.
 
Originally posted by: Ozoned

I was not allowed to vote

I was disenfranchized

I was disenfranchised

I was denied the right to vote





Where are the news articles about the individuals that were denied the right to vote? Maybe I am just searching wrong? 😕
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Not only are you 'searching wrong'. You KNOW you're searching wrong. A news report would not likely include such a quotation, unless the writer was themself unable to vote.

You're pretty much limiting your search to blogs and the like, and it really isn't shocking that you didn't find much.

I expect more from you - and you usually deliver, but this post was pretty bad.

 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
John Conyers and several House Judiciary Committee members are asking for a special prosecutor to investigate the Ohio Election and Kenneth Blackwell, including possible criminal charges being filed.

Blackwell in big trouble.
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Partisan politics.

Apparently stealing the WA governers seat is not satisfying enough.

In 2000 the Dems could point to the USSC ruling as an exucse for 4 years.

Now that the courts did not get involved, some whiners have to find something else to complain about their poor showing.

The Dems seem to be unwilling to accept that they had a communication problem in getting their message to the voters, not that the voters werre stolen from them.

There were many other states that they could have captured with less votes that would more than compensate for Ohio.
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So have you read the 102-page Conyers report. I didn't think so.

Do you know what questions were asked of Blackwell by the HJC? I didn't think so.

Do you know how many questions were answered? I didn't think so.

Do you anything about what happened in Ohio? I didn't think so.

So either contribute to the thread or stay out. The childish "You lost. Get over it." bullsh*t won't fly.

Now as for Washington, the SoS of Washington (Republican) said that Gregoire won. She ponied up $750,000 for a hand recount and it went in her favor (even without the discovered votes). So how is that a stealing? Answer: It's not. That argument is a desperate attempt by the GOP to shift focus of fraud and disenfranchisement off of them. It's not working, because deep down a lot of GOP members know they use that tactic to win elections.

The GOP can officially deny and deny and deny that they do any of those things. Fraud is there but debatable, but racial and other forms of disenfranchisement runs rampant and Rep. Conyers and other House Reps have had enough. If it turns up that Blackwell did no wrongdoing, then fine. The only question left at that point is "Why didn't he just answer Conyers questions in November?"

But, I have a feeling that Blackwell is going to face some rough times fairly soon.
 
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

So have you read the 102-page Conyers report. I didn't think so.

Do you know what questions were asked of Blackwell by the HJC? I didn't think so.

Do you know how many questions were answered? I didn't think so.

Do you anything about what happened in Ohio? I didn't think so.

So either contribute to the thread or stay out. The childish "You lost. Get over it." bullsh*t won't fly.

Now as for Washington, the SoS of Washington (Republican) said that Gregoire won. She ponied up $750,000 for a hand recount and it went in her favor (even without the discovered votes). So how is that a stealing? Answer: It's not. That argument is a desperate attempt by the GOP to shift focus of fraud and disenfranchisement off of them. It's not working, because deep down a lot of GOP members know they use that tactic to win elections.

The GOP can officially deny and deny and deny that they do any of those things. Fraud is there but debatable, but racial and other forms of disenfranchisement runs rampant and Rep. Conyers and other House Reps have had enough. If it turns up that Blackwell did no wrongdoing, then fine. The only question left at that point is "Why didn't he just answer Conyers questions in November?"

But, I have a feeling that Blackwell is going to face some rough times fairly soon.
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:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: wiin
Nothing wrong with the election in Ohio.

Democrats tried to steal the presidency but failed, again
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OMG an article with facts! funny, they all point to the opposite of what the democrats keep saying.

And in the end, the busiest precincts - when measured by the number of ballots cast per machine - were actually in the suburbs, not Cleveland, according to a Plain Dealer analysis of records from the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections.
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Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: wiin
Nothing wrong with the election in Ohio.

Democrats tried to steal the presidency but failed, again
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OMG an article with facts! funny, they all point to the opposite of what the democrats keep saying.

And in the end, the busiest precincts - when measured by the number of ballots cast per machine - were actually in the suburbs, not Cleveland, according to a Plain Dealer analysis of records from the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections.
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And those suburban "busiest" precincts had no lines. How odd.

I guess when the co-chair of the Ohio Bush campaign is also Ohio's Secretary of State Republicans can depend on plenty of voting machines in their precincts.

While Democratic precincts have lines that keep voters waiting until 4AM to vote -- as voting machines sit unused in warehouses.

The number of votes per machine doesn't mean a thing if there are enough machines in use to allow voters to cast those votes in a reasonable time frame.

 
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: wiin
Nothing wrong with the election in Ohio.

Democrats tried to steal the presidency but failed, again
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OMG an article with facts! funny, they all point to the opposite of what the democrats keep saying.

And in the end, the busiest precincts - when measured by the number of ballots cast per machine - were actually in the suburbs, not Cleveland, according to a Plain Dealer analysis of records from the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections.
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Now have YOU read the 102-page report? You want FACTS? Read the report.
 
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