Prescott issues

[BFG10K]

OCing is beside the point. The point is that Intel guarantees their cooling solution and processor for three years.

If one company offers a guarantee and the other does not, which company do you think has the greater vested interest in designing a reliable cooling solution?

 

[welst10]

Actaully dell does sell prescott, tho I don't know how many they sell. My dell 8300 (bought it in late Feb) has got a prescott 3.0Ghz. It has a JMC/DATECH 92x92x38 fan (123 CFM 58dBA). Pretty loud, but so far no instability problems.

 

[AIWGuru]

Originally posted by: welst10
Actaully dell does sell prescott, tho I don't know how many they sell. My dell 8300 (bought it in late Feb) has got a prescott 3.0Ghz. It has a JMC/DATECH 92x92x38 fan (123 CFM 58dBA). Pretty loud, but so far no instability problems.

Yeah, they cancelled all orders from Intel. They're not selling them anymore.

 

[kd2777]

The sp-94 is what I have....and according to the motherboard readings it is a better cooling solution than the intel HSF...At ideal the intel read 65c and just a little into 3dmark it went to 83.5c.

It seems that the only real solution is that maybe my motherboard is reading the wrong temp. I have loved intel produces for years, and it would break my heart to know that they made a product that would get that hot run the way they ment it to be run. I could understand if I was that hot because I was OC it and had the voltage turned up, but I am running it completely stock as I am typing this and it is running 65.5c!!!!!

Who knows maybe for the first time in my life I should underclock it.....maybe Anandtech could start a forum for underclockers...

Thanks

KD

 

[welst10]

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: welst10
Actaully dell does sell prescott, tho I don't know how many they sell. My dell 8300 (bought it in late Feb) has got a prescott 3.0Ghz. It has a JMC/DATECH 92x92x38 fan (123 CFM 58dBA). Pretty loud, but so far no instability problems.

Yeah, they cancelled all orders from Intel. They're not selling them anymore.

Oh really? that sucks, looks like I did get a lemon?

 

[jdogg707]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
OCing is beside the point. The point is that Intel guarantees their cooling solution and processor for three years.

If one company offers a guarantee and the other does not, which company do you think has the greater vested interest in designing a reliable cooling solution?

I am not saying Intel's cooling solution is not reliable or that it isn't great that they offer a three year warranty to back up their products. I agree with you on everything you just said, but my point is that there is no way that Intel's included thermal solution can beat the Thermalright heatsink when it comes to how well the heatsink cools. The guys down in CPU/Processors and Overclocking will guarantee this, as many of them used the Thermalright to cool their chips and now how efficient it is. In the reviews of the Prescott chip and the Thermalright SP94, it has proven to be a better thermal solution than the Intel, but most people who would buy the Thermalright solution will be overclocking, which would void their warranty in the first place, leaving absolutely no reason to use the included Intel HSF.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
OCing is beside the point. The point is that Intel guarantees their cooling solution and processor for three years.

If one company offers a guarantee and the other does not, which company do you think has the greater vested interest in designing a reliable cooling solution?

Um, which of those two companies are known for making the best heatsinks money can buy?

 

[jdogg707]

Originally posted by: kd2777
The sp-94 is what I have....and according to the motherboard readings it is a better cooling solution than the intel HSF...At ideal the intel read 65c and just a little into 3dmark it went to 83.5c.

It seems that the only real solution is that maybe my motherboard is reading the wrong temp. I have loved intel produces for years, and it would break my heart to know that they made a product that would get that hot run the way they ment it to be run. I could understand if I was that hot because I was OC it and had the voltage turned up, but I am running it completely stock as I am typing this and it is running 65.5c!!!!!

Who knows maybe for the first time in my life I should underclock it.....maybe Anandtech could start a forum for underclockers...

Thanks

KD

Abit boards do read temps a little high, but your temps should not be that high. Did you get the Thermal Paste applied properly? I hate to ask but if you added too much it will heat up the chip a good bit. And when you attached the cooler was it making solid contact with the chip? All screws were installed nice and tight? With the SP94, you should see highs of nowhere over 58C or so, as in the reviews I've read it seems the Intel solution was keeping most people under 70C at load.

 

[welst10]

My prescott heasink (stock) has two brown pipes (I assume copper?). what are they?

 

[jdogg707]

Here is a link to what the Intel Solution should be capable of doing, here's the Intel v. SP-94.

 

[kd2777]

Originally posted by: jdogg707

Originally posted by: kd2777
The sp-94 is what I have....and according to the motherboard readings it is a better cooling solution than the intel HSF...At ideal the intel read 65c and just a little into 3dmark it went to 83.5c.

It seems that the only real solution is that maybe my motherboard is reading the wrong temp. I have loved intel produces for years, and it would break my heart to know that they made a product that would get that hot run the way they ment it to be run. I could understand if I was that hot because I was OC it and had the voltage turned up, but I am running it completely stock as I am typing this and it is running 65.5c!!!!!

Who knows maybe for the first time in my life I should underclock it.....maybe Anandtech could start a forum for underclockers...

Thanks

KD

Abit boards do read temps a little high, but your temps should not be that high. Did you get the Thermal Paste applied properly? I hate to ask but if you added too much it will heat up the chip a good bit. And when you attached the cooler was it making solid contact with the chip? All screws were installed nice and tight? With the SP94, you should see highs of nowhere over 58C or so, as in the reviews I've read it seems the Intel solution was keeping most people under 70C at load.

Yes. To my best knowledge the paste is being put on right. I but a dab on the cpu then spred it real thin over it with my debit card. And the HS is making a good solid connection.everything is tight. I don't know what else to do.

 

[Markfw]

OK, I can't resist:

I don't know what else to do.

Buy An Athlon64 and dump that crap.......

 

[jdogg707]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
OK, I can't resist:

I don't know what else to do.

Buy An Athlon64 and dump that crap.......

I can whole heartedly agree with that...haha...My A64 sitting at 32C Idle and 38C Load is really quite a wonderful thing!

 

[jdogg707]

Originally posted by: kd2777

Originally posted by: jdogg707

Originally posted by: kd2777
The sp-94 is what I have....and according to the motherboard readings it is a better cooling solution than the intel HSF...At ideal the intel read 65c and just a little into 3dmark it went to 83.5c.

It seems that the only real solution is that maybe my motherboard is reading the wrong temp. I have loved intel produces for years, and it would break my heart to know that they made a product that would get that hot run the way they ment it to be run. I could understand if I was that hot because I was OC it and had the voltage turned up, but I am running it completely stock as I am typing this and it is running 65.5c!!!!!

Who knows maybe for the first time in my life I should underclock it.....maybe Anandtech could start a forum for underclockers...

Thanks

KD

Abit boards do read temps a little high, but your temps should not be that high. Did you get the Thermal Paste applied properly? I hate to ask but if you added too much it will heat up the chip a good bit. And when you attached the cooler was it making solid contact with the chip? All screws were installed nice and tight? With the SP94, you should see highs of nowhere over 58C or so, as in the reviews I've read it seems the Intel solution was keeping most people under 70C at load.

Yes. To my best knowledge the paste is being put on right. I but a dab on the cpu then spred it real thin over it with my debit card. And the HS is making a good solid connection.everything is tight. I don't know what else to do.

The only other thing I can think of is the thermal grease being used is complete crap, of course I have no experience with it, so I cannot be sure of that. Have you checked the BIOS to be sure the voltage is at default? Have you tried downloading something like Motherboard Monitor or AIDA32 and read what the die temps are? You may be getting an inaccurate temperature reading. Is there any other motherboard you could try it in to see if it is maybe just the board? Is the latest BIOS installed on the motherboard you are using now?

 

[m3rb]

I wonder if your MB is providing too high a Vcore. Ideally, measure it with a voltmeter. This can be tricky unless you have access to the back of the MB. Most have nice big pads right under the CPU where it's easy to place a probe, as well as several accessible points in the DC-DC converter area nearby. Just be careful when placing the probe tip, and be sure the meter is on the DC-volts setting. Don't try to hold both positive and ground by hand. Stick the ground probe into a spare power supply connector (black wires), or otherwise secure it so you don't have to hold it.

The bus voltage too high could conceiveably also cause excess power draw.

Out-of-spec voltages are entirely possible; I just RMA'ed a power supply that was putting out 4V on the 3.3 rail.

Or, you might just have a bad part. I can't believe all Prescott's are _that_ bad.

 

[mikecel79]

Yeah, they cancelled all orders from Intel. They're not selling them anymore.

Odd. My uncle just purchased a Dell 8300 and it came with a 3.0Ghz Prescott. Where did you get this information from? It's also still being sold in their Precision 360 Workstations.

 

[jdogg707]

Originally posted by: mikecel79

Yeah, they cancelled all orders from Intel. They're not selling them anymore.

Odd. My uncle just purchased a Dell 8300 and it came with a 3.0Ghz Prescott. Where did you get this information from? It's also still being sold in their Precision 360 Workstations.

I heard the same problems that Dell was having a problem keeping the Prescott cool, so they are waiting for the new revision before implementing them again. Of course ZDNet says it may have been caused by a shortage, who knows? I know someone on here was having a problem with an 8300 they got because it was overheating.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: jdogg707

Originally posted by: mikecel79

Yeah, they cancelled all orders from Intel. They're not selling them anymore.

Odd. My uncle just purchased a Dell 8300 and it came with a 3.0Ghz Prescott. Where did you get this information from? It's also still being sold in their Precision 360 Workstations.

I heard the same problems that Dell was having a problem keeping the Prescott cool, so they are waiting for the new revision before implementing them again. Of course ZDNet says it may have been caused by a shortage, who knows? I know someone on here was having a problem with an 8300 they got because it was overheating.

It's all about supply and demand. The demand for high end chips is pretty incredible right now.

 

[AluminumStudios]

I had similar problems and concerns a while back when I built a new system with an Athlon XP2200 (Tbred-a) on an Epox 8K3A+. My temps were and still are very high despite excellent case cooling, various well installed heat-sinks and high capacity fans.

In my case my mobo simply reads temps very high. I found a bios revision that lowered the temp reading significantly. Despite the number beign concerning, I realized that my system WAS running within specs. It was stable and I learned to accept 71 under load as normal for my system.

You might want to check for BIOS updates and search the forums for other people who have the same board you have and see if it might be more of a board than a CPU issue.

I didn't have time to read each word in each post in this thread, but did you reach in and feel your heat sink? I noticed that mine was never too terribly hot to the touch despite having what I know was a good mating to my CPU, which also helped me realize that my temp reading wasn't very useful or accurate.

I don't like CPU core-temp readings because it will always be hot inside the oven, what's more important IMHO is heat dissipation rate so a good thermal reading from near the core on the heat-sink seems like it would be more useful to me ...