Preschooler’s Homemade Lunch Replaced with Cafeteria “Nuggets”

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well looks like there really is a food police. No veggie in your sac lunch? well now we cant have that. throw the food away your parents worked for to buy you, spent time to put together for you and go eat some nasty chicken nuggets. Why? because we know whats food for you better than you do.

http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/homemade-lunch-replaced-with-cafeteria-nuggets.html


State agent inspects sack lunches, forces preschoolers to purchase cafeteria food

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By Sara Burrows
Feb. 14th, 2012
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RAEFORD — A preschooler at West Hoke Elementary School ate three chicken nuggets for lunch Jan. 30 because a state employee told her the lunch her mother packed was not nutritious.

The girl’s turkey and cheese sandwich, banana, potato chips, and apple juice did not meet U.S. Department of Agriculture guidelines, according to the interpretation of the agent who was inspecting all lunch boxes in her More at Four classroom that day.

The Division of Child Development and Early Education at the Department of Health and Human Services requires all lunches served in pre-kindergarten programs — including in-home day care centers — to meet USDA guidelines. That means lunches must consist of one serving of meat, one serving of milk, one serving of grain, and two servings of fruit or vegetables, even if the lunches are brought from home.

When home-packed lunches do not include all of the required items, child care providers must supplement them with the missing ones.

The girl’s mother — who said she wishes to remain anonymous to protect her daughter from retaliation — said she received a note from the school stating that students who did not bring a “healthy lunch” would be offered the missing portions, which could result in a fee from the cafeteria, in her case $1.25.

“I don't feel that I should pay for a cafeteria lunch when I provide lunch for her from home,” the mother wrote in a complaint to her state representative, Republican G.L. Pridgen of Robeson County.

The girl’s grandmother, who sometimes helps pack her lunch, told Carolina Journal that she is a petite, picky 4-year-old who eats white whole wheat bread and is not big on vegetables.

“What got me so mad is, number one, don’t tell my kid I’m not packing her lunch box properly,” the girl’s mother told CJ. “I pack her lunchbox according to what she eats. It always consists of a fruit. It never consists of a vegetable. She eats vegetables at home because I have to watch her because she doesn’t really care for vegetables.”

When the girl came home with her lunch untouched, her mother wanted to know what she ate instead. Three chicken nuggets, the girl answered. Everything else on her cafeteria tray went to waste.

“She came home with her whole sandwich I had packed, because she chose to eat the nuggets on the lunch tray, because they put it in front of her,” her mother said. “You’re telling a 4-year-old. ‘oh. you’re lunch isn’t right,’ and she’s thinking there’s something wrong with her food.”

While the mother and grandmother thought the potato chips and lack of vegetable were what disqualified the lunch, a spokeswoman for the Division of Child Development said that should not have been a problem.

“With a turkey sandwich, that covers your protein, your grain, and if it had cheese on it, that’s the dairy,” said Jani Kozlowski, the fiscal and statutory policy manager for the division. “It sounds like the lunch itself would’ve met all of the standard.” The lunch has to include a fruit or vegetable, but not both, she said.

There are no clear restrictions about what additional items — like potato chips — can be included in preschoolers’ lunch boxes.

“If a parent sends their child with a Coke and a Twinkie, the child care provider is going to need to provide a balanced lunch for the child,” Kozlowski said.

Ultimately, the child care provider can’t take the Coke and Twinkie away from the child, but Kozlowski said she “would think the Pre-K provider would talk with the parent about that not being a healthy choice for their child.”

It is unclear whether the school was allowed to charge for the cafeteria lunches they gave to every preschooler in the class that day.

The state regulation reads:

“Sites must provide breakfast and/or snacks and lunch meeting USDA requirements during the regular school day. The partial/full cost of meals may be charged when families do not qualify for free/reduced price meals.

“When children bring their own food for meals and snacks to the center, if the food does not meet the specified nutritional requirements, the center must provide additional food necessary to meet those requirements.”

Still, Kozlowski said, the parents shouldn’t have been charged.

“The school may have interpreted [the rule] to mean they felt like the lunch wasn’t meeting the nutritional requirements and so they wanted the child to have the school lunch and then charged the parent,” she said. “It sounds like maybe a technical assistance need for that school.”

The school principal, Jackie Samuels, said he didn’t “know anything about” parents being charged for the meals that day. “I know they eat in the cafeteria. Whether they pay or not, they eat in the cafeteria.”

Pridgen’s office is looking into the issue.
 

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F that. What the hell are those school employees thinking?

And what about this "1 serving of dairy". Even for the lactose intolerant?

But wait, does peanut butter count as a meat or not?

Too much fail for my mind...
 
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How fucking stupid. No fucking wonder our country is both morally and financially bankrupt.

This "agency" should be closed IMMEDIATELY. Kudos to the parents for sending the kid with a balanced, nutritious lunch, despite the fact that some worthless highschool dropout zealot bureaucrat didn't think so.

Will government stupidity ever end?
 

fskimospy

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I don't think the OP read his own article. There is nothing in it that mentions throwing away anyone's food.

In fact, the article quotes the fiscal policy manager for that program as saying the school officials screwed up by charging parents. What the law does say according to your own article is that if children are being provided crappy food by their parents, the school must make good food available to the child. There is no mention of any charge, nor any legal authorization to do so.

How is such a regulation controversial?
 

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i seen this yesterday. i tried to find a non-biased site to post it. I will say i have my doubts on the trustworthiness of the story!

IF true.

1) the school has no right to be snooping in my kids lunchbox.
2) WTF a turkey sandwich, bannana and apple juice is not healthy yet chicken nuggets are? i think whoever is in charge of that needs more education.
3) then to charge her $ without calling and saying hey we think the food you sent is bad for the kid
4) 90% of the schools out have disgusting unhealthy lunch.
 
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I don't think the OP read his own article. There is nothing in it that mentions throwing away anyone's food.

In fact, the article quotes the fiscal policy manager for that program as saying the school officials screwed up by charging parents. What the law does say according to your own article is that if children are being provided crappy food by their parents, the school must make good food available to the child. There is no mention of any charge, nor any legal authorization to do so.

How is such a regulation controversial?

How are three chicken nuggets more nutritious than a turkey and cheese sandwich, banana, chips, and apple juice?

Since when is it the government's job to tell kindergarten kids what their parents are or are not allowed to purchase for their lunches?
 

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I don't think the OP read his own article. There is nothing in it that mentions throwing away anyone's food.

In fact, the article quotes the fiscal policy manager for that program as saying the school officials screwed up by charging parents. What the law does say according to your own article is that if children are being provided crappy food by their parents, the school must make good food available to the child. There is no mention of any charge, nor any legal authorization to do so.

How is such a regulation controversial?

The parent didn't provide crappy food. The school provided chickenoid replacements. Thank god the kid didn't have a little green plastic soldier with a gun.
 

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F that. What the hell are those school employees thinking?

And what about this "1 serving of dairy". Even for the lactose intolerant?

But wait, does peanut butter count as a meat or not?

Too much fail for my mind...

It seems very strange how backward the US is right now.
expanding medicaid/medicare to cover more people = bad idea
food police = good idea??

The government gets bigger in all the wrong places. Food regulations? We don't need that. Telling little kids what they can or cannot eat? Do it up.
 
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Someone screwed up, and the parents have every right to be upset, but this looks like a problem with improper enforcement and not policy. The policy manager said this lunch was fine and gave specific examples of what lunches wouldn't be. And while these standards aren't perfect, God knows how many parents out there know just as much about nutrition as the 4 year olds they are feeding.
 

HomerJS

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More nanny state horseshit...progressives should be proud.

While I disagree with what the school is doing it's a lot less intrusive then conservatives in Virginia wanting to stick probes up womens vaginas without their consent.

Your reply is a little hypocritical.
 

fskimospy

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The parent didn't provide crappy food. The school provided chickenoid replacements. Thank god the kid didn't have a little green plastic soldier with a gun.

The school did not provide any 'replacements'. The school provided other food in addition to what the parent had given the child. This was made quite clear in the article. It was apparently a mistake on the school's part, as was charging anyone for it.

Now the outcome here certainly was poor, but that appears to be from a misapplication of the rules, not from a problem with the rules themselves. The idea that ATPN is up in arms about a rule for schools to supplement childrens' lunches is sad, but ultimately not surprising. Anyone who knows anyone who works in a poor school district knows exactly what sort of lunches parents frequently send their kids in with. Supplementing them is an incredibly good idea.
 

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The school did not provide any 'replacements'. The school provided other food in addition to what the parent had given the child. This was made quite clear in the article. It was apparently a mistake on the school's part, as was charging anyone for it.

Now the outcome here certainly was poor, but that appears to be from a misapplication of the rules, not from a problem with the rules themselves. The idea that ATPN is up in arms about a rule for schools to supplement childrens' lunches is sad, but ultimately not surprising. Anyone who knows anyone who works in a poor school district knows exactly what sort of lunches parents frequently send their kids in with. Supplementing them is an incredibly good idea.
Precisely what was wrong with the childs lunch? Regardless of intent it is the result which matters and when sense loses out to badly applied rules then that is a problem. I haven't an issue with a standard but get it right.
 
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While I disagree with what the school is doing it's a lot less intrusive then conservatives in Virginia wanting to stick probes up womens vaginas without their consent.

Your reply is a little hypocritical.
How so? Are you a mindreader and know what I think and feel about what's going on in VA? Think.
 
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ShawnD1

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Someone screwed up, and the parents have every right to be upset, but this looks like a problem with improper enforcement and not policy.
Or the government could fuck off and mind its own business. A kid going hungry is one thing but having the "wrong food" is something else.

conservatives in Virginia wanting to stick probes up womens vaginas without their consent.
what?


Anyone who knows anyone who works in a poor school district knows exactly what sort of lunches parents frequently send their kids in with. Supplementing them is an incredibly good idea.
I was poor but grew up in a middle class area. Poor because 1 parent chose to stay home. Everyone else had dunkaroos and chips for lunch. I had shitty granola bars. They sucked major ass. Even if I was really really hungry, they still tasted too shitty to eat. Having no real food didn't seem to have much effect on my ability to learn since I still beat asses left and right in math and science.
 

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Government bureaucrat and logic are like oil and water, they just don't mix. That's why you have to minimize all government activity.
 

dank69

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Honestly this sounds like one employee fucking up. The lunch the kid had met USDA guidelines.
 

ShawnD1

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What kids eat in school is very much school business.
But where does this bullshit end? Can my boss start telling me what to eat while I'm at work? I eat potato chips for lunch every day at work.

I'm sure some dumb ass who weighs twice as much as me will jump at the chance to tell me that my diet sucks. It always seems to be that way. I've always been a slim guy, and fat people are always telling me that my diet is bad. If they know so much about this, why are they still fat?
 

fskimospy

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But where does this bullshit end? Can my boss start telling me what to eat while I'm at work? I eat potato chips for lunch every day at work.

I'm sure some dumb ass who weighs twice as much as me will jump at the chance to tell me that my diet sucks. It always seems to be that way. I've always been a slim guy, and fat people are always telling me that my diet is bad. If they know so much about this, why are they still fat?

The schools don't tell the kids what to eat.