Preschool: The Best Job-Training Program

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mchammer187

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When economist James Heckman was studying the effects of job training programs on unskilled young workers, he found a mystery.

He was comparing a group of workers that had gone through a job training program with a group that hadn't. And he found that, at best, the training program did nothing to help the workers get better jobs. In some cases, the training program even made the workers worse off.


The problem was that the students in the training program couldn't learn what they were being taught. They lacked an important set of skills which would enable them to learn new things. Heckman, a Nobel-Prize-winning economist, calls these soft skills.

You might not think of soft skills as skills at all. They involve things like being able to pay attention and focus, being curious and open to new experiences, and being able to control your temper and not get frustrated.

All these soft skills are very important in getting a job. And Heckman discovered that you don't get them in high school, or in middle school, or even in elementary school. You get them in preschool.


And that, according to Heckman, makes preschool one of the most effective job-training programs out there.

As evidence, he points to the Perry Preschool Project, an experiment done in the early 1960s in Ypsilanti, Michigan. Researchers took a bunch of 3- and 4-year-old kids from poor families and randomly assigned them to one of two groups. The kids in one group just lived their regular lives. And the kids in the other group went to preschool for two hours a day, five days a week.

After preschool, both groups went into the same regular Ypsilanti public school system and grew up side by side into adulthood.

Yet when researchers followed up with the kids as adults, they found huge differences. At age 27, the boys who had – almost two decades earlier – gone to preschool were now half as likely to be arrested and earned 50 percent more in salary that those who didn't.

And that wasn't all. At 27, girls who went to preschool were 50 percent more likely to have a savings account and 20 percent more likely to have a car. In general, the preschool kids got sick less often, were unemployed less often, and went to jail less often. Since then, many other studies have reported similar findings.

These results made me think: What is going on in preschool?

So I visited the Co-Op School, a preschool in Brooklyn. Eliza Cutler, a teacher there, said the kids do a lot of the same things the Perry Preschool kids did back in the 60s: They play, they paint, they build with blocks, and they nap.

If you didn't know where to look, you wouldn't see the job skills they're learning.

Yet they are learning valuable skills: how to resolve conflicts, how to share, how to negotiate, how to talk things out. These are skills that they need to make it through a day of preschool now. And they are skills they will need to make it through a day of work when they're 30.

If they learn these skills now, they'll have them for the rest of their lives. But research shows that if they don't learn them now, it becomes harder and harder as they get older. By the time the time they're in a job training program in their twenties, it's often too late.

Heckman is an economist so he thinks about this as a cost-benefit analysis. To him, the message is clear: If you want 21 year-olds to have jobs, the best time to train them is in the first few years of life.

Best argument yet for any additional education spending and a policy shift toward learning before kindergarten.

At the very least our "job training" should be redirected imo. Remember these are all poorer kids and half got free preschool and half didn't so it isn't an economic issue.
 

glenn1

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Best argument yet for any additional education spending and a policy shift toward learning before kindergarten.

At the very least our "job training" should be redirected imo. Remember these are all poorer kids and half got free preschool and half didn't so it isn't an economic issue.

I'm fine with shifting some of the current expenditures towards preschool, but not throwing more money into the educational complex. We already ratcheted up education spending tremendously over the years with increasingly bad results and I'm sick of rewarding the teachers and administrators for their failures.
 

shortylickens

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If the kiddies at my community college are any indication, they were all fucked out of basic life skills a long ass time ago and wont be acquiring them any time soon.
 

mchammer187

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If the kiddies at my community college are any indication, they were all fucked out of basic life skills a long ass time ago and wont be acquiring them any time soon.

True. There is pretty much no hope for these people at least from a cost/benefit perspective

but that doesn't mean we can't save the generation that was born within the last 4 years.
 

shortylickens

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True. There is pretty much no hope for these people at least from a cost/benefit perspective

but that doesn't mean we can't save the generation that was born within the last 4 years.

Yeah I am hoping the people that grow up during a recession will be less spoiled and whiny and ignorant.
We'll see.
 

JS80

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This is not surprising. The people that continue to move up the ladder are the ones that have great social skills (along with the talent). Previously you could get away with not having the talent but I don't think you can get away with that these days (as much).
 

shortylickens

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This is not surprising. The people that continue to move up the ladder are the ones that have great social skills (along with the talent). Previously you could get away with not having the talent but I don't think you can get away with that these days (as much).

When I was growing up in the 80's my dad used to talk about this. He worked at FMC. Noticed there were plenty of crusty old engineers with no social skills but so long as they produced no one cared.
On the flip side you had plenty of smooth talking morons who could also move up the ladder quite easily, until they got themselves into a place they were clearly unqualified for. I believe thats known as the Peter Principle.

Both of those employees are much less employable these days. Teamwork is more important than ever and you need to offer a well-rounded appearance to get employed and stay employed. This is especially important when things get rough and executives swing the ax. The good networkers almost always stick around. Anyone who has ever been even slightly less than social is immediately pushed out.
 

ProfJohn

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They involve things like being able to pay attention and focus, being curious and open to new experiences, and being able to control your temper and not get frustrated.

So what he is saying is that most union members didn't go to pre-school and that explains their behavior?
 

Greenman

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Isn't it just as likely that the kids that went to preschool come from family's that were a bit higher up the social ladder?
 

mchammer187

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Isn't it just as likely that the kids that went to preschool come from family's that were a bit higher up the social ladder?
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As evidence, he points to the Perry Preschool Project, an experiment done in the early 1960s in Ypsilanti, Michigan. Researchers took a bunch of 3- and 4-year-old kids from poor families and randomly assigned them to one of two groups. The kids in one group just lived their regular lives. And the kids in the other group went to preschool for two hours a day, five days a week.
 

TridenT

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Did they control for income at all? Kids who go to preschool usually go because of the people who can afford it.
 

rudder

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Did they control for income at all? Kids who go to preschool usually go because of the people who can afford it.

The whole point of studies like this is to justify spending taxpayer dollars to allow lower income children to goto pre-school for free. Many studies also show that initially lower income students who when to pre-school are a little more advanced than those that did not. However, as they progress in school that advantage disappears.

For the most part kids are successful in school if the parents take an active role in their education. Teaching discipline, work ethic, helping with homework etc... will do more for the student than putting a 4 year old in pre-school.

A link to the complete study would be nice. I wonder if the study also trackedf the amount of time the parents spend with the children.
 

mchammer187

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The whole point of studies like this is to justify spending taxpayer dollars to allow lower income children to goto pre-school for free. Many studies also show that initially lower income students who when to pre-school are a little more advanced than those that did not. However, as they progress in school that advantage disappears.

For the most part kids are successful in school if the parents take an active role in their education. Teaching discipline, work ethic, helping with homework etc... will do more for the student than putting a 4 year old in pre-school.

A link to the complete study would be nice. I wonder if the study also trackedf the amount of time the parents spend with the children.

I don't get that at all. I think it means that certain social skills referred to as "soft skills" in the study are infinitely easier to learn when you are younger and development starts as early as 2-3 years of age. Preschool is just one means to achieving this. This school was only 2 hours a day so I think just arranging for them to be around other peers there age would be just as effective. Is preschool the easiest way probably but I don't see it as the only way. It also goes to show how much of a waste job retraining is going to be at least in its current form.

I think since the study chose to focus strictly on lower income families than the likelihood of the parents taking an active role in their education is much less likely though not really because they are bad parents but when they have choose between the necessities just to get by or focusing on developmental learning at an early age than they choose the former than the latter and I believe that everyone in that situation is going to make the same choice.
 
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