Prelude or Celica GTS?

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: Imported

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: Imported

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: NutBucket
BTW, I just bought a prelude engine for my car. Trust me, you won't regret the prelude. Honda makes a much better performance 4-banger then Toyota.

Not really.......

N/A yes.

A JDM 3S-GE makes 210 HP, a JDM H22A makes 220. I wouldn't really call that "much better performance".

H22A makes more torque..

...no it doesn't. A 3S-GE makes 163 ft/lbs while a prelude makes 153 ft/lbs. stock. Thanks to VVTi. 🙂

And it's not turbo, just look up the stock numbers on a JDM Altezza. It's N/A.

Well, can't compare then since that's not available in this country. I'm not overly impressed w/ the Celica's 4 banger tho.

Even still, the Euro Accord-R H22A makes 163 ft/lbs. stock also..

If only i could get my hands on that motor. Oh well....

 

[Imported]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: NutBucket
BTW, I just bought a prelude engine for my car. Trust me, you won't regret the prelude. Honda makes a much better performance 4-banger then Toyota.

Not really.......

There's actually truth to that, Toyota discovered that the 2zz-ge motor in the celica GTS had problems and they lowered the rev limiter from 8200 to 7800 rpm. The motor still makes more power above 7800 rpms, but apparently it couldn't reliabily do that so they lowered the rev limiter. It was really a poor band-aid fix and it slowed the celica down alot.

I was never too clear what the problem was though, either the motor was weak, or a lot of people were missing shifts from the close spacing on the shifter, causing motors to blow out.

I heard that as well. Though the Matrix with the same motor had the higher rev limiter.. during that same year anyways.

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: Imported

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: NutBucket BTW, I just bought a prelude engine for my car. Trust me, you won't regret the prelude. Honda makes a much better performance 4-banger then Toyota.

Not really.......

N/A yes.

A JDM 3S-GE makes 210 HP, a JDM H22A makes 220. I wouldn't really call that "much better performance".

H22A makes more torque..

...no it doesn't. A 3S-GE makes 163 ft/lbs while a prelude makes 153 ft/lbs. stock. Thanks to VVTi. 🙂 And it's not turbo, just look up the stock numbers on a JDM Altezza. It's N/A.

Which is thanks to Honda 😉. However, 2JZ-GTE is the greatest engine of all time...of course, I once again state that I am biased due to ownership of said engine.

 

[ThisIsMatt]

If you were talking a couple years older, I wouldn't be sure...but after the styling change of the newer celicas I'd definitely say prelude.

Honda rocks either way 🙂

 

[cressida]

prelude, haven't been fond of the new body style of the celica. 🙁

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: Imported

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: NutBucket BTW, I just bought a prelude engine for my car. Trust me, you won't regret the prelude. Honda makes a much better performance 4-banger then Toyota.

Not really.......

N/A yes.

A JDM 3S-GE makes 210 HP, a JDM H22A makes 220. I wouldn't really call that "much better performance".

H22A makes more torque..

...no it doesn't. A 3S-GE makes 163 ft/lbs while a prelude makes 153 ft/lbs. stock. <STRONG>Thanks to VVTi</STRONG>. 🙂 And it's not turbo, just look up the stock numbers on a JDM Altezza. It's N/A.

Which is thanks to Honda 😉. However, 2JZ-GTE is the greatest engine of all time...of course, I once again state that I am biased due to ownership of said engine.

The only motor that might touch that is the RB26DETT. Another awesome straight 6.

 

[atom]

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: Imported

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: NutBucket BTW, I just bought a prelude engine for my car. Trust me, you won't regret the prelude. Honda makes a much better performance 4-banger then Toyota.

Not really.......

N/A yes.

A JDM 3S-GE makes 210 HP, a JDM H22A makes 220. I wouldn't really call that "much better performance".

H22A makes more torque..

...no it doesn't. A 3S-GE makes 163 ft/lbs while a prelude makes 153 ft/lbs. stock. <STRONG>Thanks to VVTi</STRONG>. 🙂 And it's not turbo, just look up the stock numbers on a JDM Altezza. It's N/A.

Which is thanks to Honda 😉. However, 2JZ-GTE is the greatest engine of all time...of course, I once again state that I am biased due to ownership of said engine.

Actually someone told me Alfa Romeo did the first VVT engine, but Honda was the first to do variable lift.

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: Imported

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: NutBucket BTW, I just bought a prelude engine for my car. Trust me, you won't regret the prelude. Honda makes a much better performance 4-banger then Toyota.

Not really.......

N/A yes.

A JDM 3S-GE makes 210 HP, a JDM H22A makes 220. I wouldn't really call that "much better performance".

H22A makes more torque..

...no it doesn't. A 3S-GE makes 163 ft/lbs while a prelude makes 153 ft/lbs. stock. Thanks to VVTi. 🙂 And it's not turbo, just look up the stock numbers on a JDM Altezza. It's N/A.

Which is thanks to Honda 😉. However, 2JZ-GTE is the greatest engine of all time...of course, I once again state that I am biased due to ownership of said engine.

Actually someone told me Alfa Romeo did the first VVT engine, but Honda was the first to do variable lift.

I'm pretty sure Honda was the one that introduced Variable Valve Timing with the NSX in 1991
Look Here

 

[atom]

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: Imported

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: NutBucket BTW, I just bought a prelude engine for my car. Trust me, you won't regret the prelude. Honda makes a much better performance 4-banger then Toyota.

Not really.......

N/A yes.

A JDM 3S-GE makes 210 HP, a JDM H22A makes 220. I wouldn't really call that "much better performance".

H22A makes more torque..

...no it doesn't. A 3S-GE makes 163 ft/lbs while a prelude makes 153 ft/lbs. stock. <STRONG>Thanks to VVTi</STRONG>. 🙂 And it's not turbo, just look up the stock numbers on a JDM Altezza. It's N/A.

Which is thanks to Honda 😉. However, 2JZ-GTE is the greatest engine of all time...of course, I once again state that I am biased due to ownership of said engine.

Actually someone told me Alfa Romeo did the first VVT engine, but Honda was the first to do variable lift.

I'm pretty sure Honda was the one that introduced Variable Valve Timing with the NSX in 1991
<a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.mr2sc.com/websites/articles/vvt.htm" target=blank>Look Here</A>

Alfa Romeo 75 Built in 1988 🙂

It's interesting to note that the VVT on this car isn't electronically operated.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: atom

...no it doesn't. A 3S-GE makes 163 ft/lbs while a prelude makes 153 ft/lbs. stock. <STRONG>Thanks to VVTi</STRONG>. 🙂 And it's not turbo, just look up the stock numbers on a JDM Altezza. It's N/A.

Which is thanks to Honda 😉. However, 2JZ-GTE is the greatest engine of all time...of course, I once again state that I am biased due to ownership of said engine.

vvti is significantly different from vtec, vtec is a 2 profile cam system whereas vvti is more like a fader which varies the phase of one cam profile. Even base corollas have vvti these days, toyota puts it in everything apparently.

A better comparison would probably be iVTEC but that just came out recently and I haven't really looked into how it works. Besides, that came out after Toyota did their work. 😛

good article on variable valve timing

 

[yakko]

Moped.

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: atom

...no it doesn't. A 3S-GE makes 163 ft/lbs while a prelude makes 153 ft/lbs. stock. <STRONG>Thanks to VVTi</STRONG>. 🙂 And it's not turbo, just look up the stock numbers on a JDM Altezza. It's N/A.

Which is thanks to Honda 😉. However, 2JZ-GTE is the greatest engine of all time...of course, I once again state that I am biased due to ownership of said engine.

vvti is significantly different from vtec, vtec is a 2 profile cam system whereas vvti is more like a fader which varies the phase of one cam profile. Even base corollas have vvti these days, toyota puts it in everything apparently.

A better comparison would probably be iVTEC but that just came out recently and I haven't really looked into how it works. Besides, that came out after Toyota did their work. 😛

good article on variable valve timing

Quit being a hater 'Square😉

 

[Morph]

Did Honda stop making the Prelude? If so, why?

 

[johneetrash]

only a prelude or a celica? you can find much better and faster cars for the money.. how much are you willing to spend?

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: Morph
Did Honda stop making the Prelude? If so, why?

Yes. And I assume because the new Civic Si is replacing it as a "sporty" car in the line up. :disgust: The thing is a mini-minivan and should be destroyed. Why couldn't they just stick with the 99-00 Si...that was a sweet car.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: OS
vvti is significantly different from vtec, vtec is a 2 profile cam system whereas vvti is more like a fader which varies the phase of one cam profile. Even base corollas have vvti these days, toyota puts it in everything apparently.

A better comparison would probably be iVTEC but that just came out recently and I haven't really looked into how it works. Besides, that came out after Toyota did their work. 😛

good article on variable valve timing

Quit being a hater 'Square😉

biatch, toyota!!!

alright seriously, toyota's valve technology isn't worth a whole lot. In '99 corollas didn't have vvti and in 2000 toyota added vvti and iridium spark plugs to the corolla motor and got 5 more hp. For all I know, that extra 5 hp came from the better spark plugs and not the valve techology. :Q

Also I think halfway through the product cycle of the mk4 supra, toyota added vvti and no one noticed. It must be worth something though or else toyota wouldn't be putting it on all of their cars.


If I get a good enough paying job, there might be an accord coupe ex v6 in my future. 😉

 

[PCFetish]

oh i didnt think this was going to turn into a war

I had my eyes on pearl white prelude for very long time,
but celica looks good too.
thanks for all the inputs.

 

[YayYay]

Originally posted by: PCFetish
oh i didnt think this was going to turn into a war

I had my eyes on pearl white prelude for very long time,
but celica looks good too.
thanks for all the inputs.

Im going to give you some warnings. Do not get the SS model. Many people have troubles with the transmission going bad. Some are known to crap out at less than 25k. Some things to look for with the 5 speed prelude. Take the car into an open area and shift all your gears at 7.5k and see if it grinds. Do it a few times. The prelude is known for the 3rd gear and 5th gear grinding due to issues with weak shift forks and bad synchros. Other than the tranny, the prelude is a great car.

 

[MoJoichiban]

My vote would go for the lude....um, the fact that I OWN a prelude has nothing to do with my choice......yes......*shifty eyed*

 

[Budmantom]

I think this would be easier if you gave us some price's and pic's.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: Morph
Did Honda stop making the Prelude? If so, why?

Yes. And I assume because the new Civic Si is replacing it as a "sporty" car in the line up. :disgust: The thing is a mini-minivan and should be destroyed. Why couldn't they just stick with the 99-00 Si...that was a sweet car.

actually with the prelude that would give honda 4 20k + sports cars, prelude, rsx, accord6spd, and s2000

prelude sells were lagging (no biggie, i like being less common 😉) so they decided to axe it (bishes)

to the celica's credit, the seats are really nice, and the gts is pretty fast (i'm actually pretty sure it's faster than the prelude, don't quote me on that)

but...

the prelude (was) the best handling sports car > 30k

so, onto the prelude...
first the bad..

don't get an SS (why are you getting an automatic sports car anyway?), the tranny blows. alot. looking at 5spds, make sure you shift into 5th, the lude has a notoriously weak 5th gear synchro, the moonroof has a tendency to rattle after a few years

the good
kickass shifter, kickass interior, kickass engine (har), kickass handling, kickass looks....i <heart> my prelude (click the link in my sig)

if you have any questions about the lude just pm me 😉

 

[Scarpozzi]

I think the Maxima is the best choice of those two.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
I think the Maxima is the best choice of those two.

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
I think the Maxima is the best choice of those two.

Poo on Nissan...Nissan is teh sux0rs. :Q😀

 

[prodigy]

Prelude