Preimums rise faster under Obamacare than in piror 8 years combined!

[Doc Savage Fan]

The Daily Caller says I am to be outraged.

So

I am outraged.

I wonder how outraged voters are. I guess we'll find out this November.

 

[BoberFett]

Lol! So you hate the ACA because it didn't do anything for your situation? Perhaps you should have supported the republicans alternative. Which part of their plan would have helped you? Or perhaps you liked what we had before the ACA, maybe you would have got lucky and not hit a cap, let alone actually get covered.

But rage on brother because the alternatives are so much better! Perhaps you can try getting some help through charities, apparently, according to the right, they are aplenty and more than willing to help out a poor person such as yourself.

Your situation sucks but what ever you do, don't support any politician that supports a single payer or government run program, I wouldn't want you to miss out on the valuable, "pick yourself up by your bootstraps" lesson

So basically, you're exactly like the Republicans.

"To everyone who got screwed over by ACA: Fuck you, I got mine."

 

[BoberFett]

Again, simply shrewd yet highly duplicitous politics.

Agreed, but nothing unique to Palin. All politicians do it. That's how they get where they are. Too bad politics is more important than solutions in this country. It's not enough to solve problems, you have to humiliate your "enemy."

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Yup, I had a whole thread about this once finding out our rates were going through the roof.


The general modern progressive consensus seems to be 1) handout train good 2) employer should eat the costs or employer bad

 

[poofyhairguy]

The savings won't really kick in until we begin rationing health care. There is no rational reason on earth to spend a million dollars of taxpayer dollars attempting to keep some 70 year old retired person alive. Once America realizes this and starts triaging services like Canada, then the REAL savings will kick in. The truth really really does suck. I don't like it anymore than anybody else but there it is.

That is not the kind of rationing that is happening. The kind that is happening in our system is poor people despite level of need for care have 8 month waits for appointments if they ever get care, while concierge cash-paying patients get around the clock access to top medical professionals for every bit of heartburn.

Medicaid participation rates are slipping, and unless they find a way to shoehorn it in Obamacare plans will meet the same fate because doctors don't want to be stuck with bills they can't collect:

http://www.stltoday.com/business/lo...cle_b36ee939-e3e7-5106-a7cf-1b13220d0f6a.html

The savings of the kind of rationing you are talking about the ACA passed on to the insurance companies because politicians don't have the balls to start public death panels. Let the insurance companies create them instead for a fee.

 

[WackyDan]

Yup, I had a whole thread about this once finding out our rates were going through the roof.


The general modern progressive consensus seems to be 1) handout train good 2) employer should eat the costs or employer bad

..and

3) Fuck you middle class whiner if you dare complain that the ACA is costing you dearly when just the FSA CAP adjustment alone raised your health care costs by 25%.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

..and

3) Fuck you middle class whiner if you dare complain that the ACA is costing you dearly when just the FSA CAP adjustment alone raised your health care costs by 25%.

B-b-b-b-buh buh bu buh BUT you should feel good about yourself for help paying for these people who don't want to work! Sure they screwed up throughout their entire lives and passed up every opportunity only to take the easy path but STILL as a society we need to support these people!

And our Dear Leader promised these people all of this stuff, as his followers it is our duty to support his voting bloc!

 

[ivwshane]

So basically, you're exactly like the Republicans.

"To everyone who got screwed over by ACA: Fuck you, I got mine."

Nope. I'm in the, "the ACA isn't perfect but let's make it better". Assuming a single payer system isn't on the table (why it's not I have no idea).

 

[SpatiallyAware]

The old system wasn't perfect, but it wasn't bad at all. It helped prop up the US as having the best doctors and quality of healthcare in the world.


People who had insurance had relatively cheap rates.

People with existing problems understandably had slightly higher rates.

People with non-employer subsidized healthcare had slightly higher rates.


Anyone going into an ER was not turned away.



The people who were worst off were lazy, incompetent people who somehow could not survive in the most capitalist industrialized nation in the world. The people who were worst off got where they are PURELY due to continual bad decision making and due to their own choices.

Call me an asshole, but I don't care if lazy poor decision makers have to go the ER to get their pain meds.


Now the lazy and poor decision makers have the best, cheapest healthcare out of anyone. That is seriously screwed up.

 

[poofyhairguy]

why it's not I have no idea

Surely you have heard of lobbyists. And the fact insurance companies, drug companies, and doctor associations have them.

 

[fskimospy]

People with existing problems understandably had slightly higher rates.

You simply cannot be serious.

 

[ivwshane]

The old system wasn't perfect, but it wasn't bad at all. It helped prop up the US as having the best doctors and quality of healthcare in the world.


People who had insurance had relatively cheap rates.

People with existing problems understandably had slightly higher rates.

People with non-employer subsidized healthcare had slightly higher rates.


Anyone going into an ER was not turned away.



The people who were worst off were lazy, incompetent people who somehow could not survive in the most capitalist industrialized nation in the world. The people who were worst off got where they are PURELY due to continual bad decision making and due to their own choices.

Call me an asshole, but I don't care if lazy poor decision makers have to go the ER to get their pain meds.


Now the lazy and poor decision makers have the best, cheapest healthcare out of anyone. That is seriously screwed up.

Yep and the number one reason for bankruptcies was from those great, cheap insurance plans!


Let's also not forget how great it was that we had exponential increases in healthcare! But damn! We sure did have some good doctors back then! Too bad they all moved to Nigeria where the free market flows like water!

If stupid was a cancer you'd be in stage IV!

 

[SpatiallyAware]

You simply cannot be serious.

This is how the insurance industry works. From vehicle to home to .. healthcare.

Like previously posted, anyone involved in the details of insurance knew this would happen and saw it coming from a mile away.

 

[ivwshane]

Surely you have heard of lobbyists. And the fact insurance companies, drug companies, and doctor associations have them.

That explains the politicians position, not the American people's position or the position people on this board take.

Then again, stupid never makes sense.

 

[Zaap]

LOL. The left.

From "free healthcare!"

To.. "everyone will save thousands!"

To.. "so it costs more, just deal with it!"

To... "it was all the Republicans idea!!!!!"

To eventually... "so it's a costly, rationed nightmare! Just shut up and take the pill, no one needs to live past 70 anyway..."

 

[First]

I wonder how outraged voters are. I guess we'll find out this November.

No, you'll find out November 2016.

 

[poofyhairguy]

That explains the politicians position, not the American people's position or the position people on this board take.

People on the board are all over the place. Like personally I support a two tier system of private insurances for the wealthy with government owned hospitals with government hired doctors for the rest.

The American people will only support what you can sell to them, and single payer isn't sexy. The only reason why a single payer system would cost less would be common sense rationing, the removal of waste and the destruction of "the customer is always right" mentality in healthcare. None of that is directly appealing to the American public who want to see "their doctor."

 

[rudder]

You realize that from the data you're quoting you would have no idea if it was saving you that $2,500 a year or not, right?

I personally don't think the $2,500/year savings will ever materialize, at least not in the way that people think. The important part is slowing health care cost inflation that has generally been happening much faster than inflation over the last 20 years or so. In that sense you could save $2,500 a year or more in the end, but that's a fairly nebulous idea.

Since 2002 the percentage of the rise in healthcare costs was decreasing year to year.

 

[WackyDan]

People on the board are all over the place. Like personally I support a two tier system of private insurances for the wealthy with government owned hospitals with government hired doctors for the rest.

The American people will only support what you can sell to them, and single payer isn't sexy. The only reason why a single payer system would cost less would be common sense rationing, the removal of waste and the destruction of "the customer is always right" mentality in healthcare. None of that is directly appealing to the American public who want to see "their doctor."

You realize that for the progressive wet dream of a single payer system, you would have to have complete gov't take over of the healthcare system. Anyone that thinks that is going to happen is mistaken.

 

[WackyDan]

ivwshane still can't tell me why FSA's were capped by more than half... But I expected that.

 

[BoberFett]

People on the board are all over the place. Like personally I support a two tier system of private insurances for the wealthy with government owned hospitals with government hired doctors for the rest.

The American people will only support what you can sell to them, and single payer isn't sexy. The only reason why a single payer system would cost less would be common sense rationing, the removal of waste and the destruction of "the customer is always right" mentality in healthcare. None of that is directly appealing to the American public who want to see "their doctor."

I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

 

[fskimospy]

This is how the insurance industry works. From vehicle to home to .. healthcare.

Like previously posted, anyone involved in the details of insurance knew this would happen and saw it coming from a mile away.

From that statement you clearly have no clue how the health insurance industry works.

 

[IGBT]

this is what you want you wanted..you voted for this. Watch what happens to your home utility bill. That's next. Elections Have Consequences.

 

[werepossum]

Fuck man...

My costs in 2013 already went up by over $1000 just by what those motherfuckers did in capping the FSA's down to $2500. You know... those nasty FSA's that were there to help control/mitigate your out of pocket costs? My previous cap was $5200... AND I used every fucking penny of that FSA for my daughter who born at 1 pound 4 ounces has some "slightly" elevated medical needs.

Fuck the ACA... It hasn't done anything to make healthcare more affordable for my family.

HSAs went through something similar, Obamacare raised the minimum deductible to $3,700. Evidently my $2,700 deductible, while far behind what he enjoys, is too good for the likes of me. Now Obamacare is helping me again as BCBS of Tennessee is dropping all their small business policies due to Obamacare, so end of June I'll have no health insurance. My company would like to provide insurance, but as the rules change literally every week no insurer is even willing to talk to us. Luckily for me I'm in my fifties and don't owe anybody anything so I can afford the more expensive personal policy through the exchange, but it will take most of our truly discretionary cash. But I'm through playing Republican; I'm taking every subsidy I can get and damn the country. This is the Age of the Proggie and it's every man for himself, get what you can get and damn everyone with more.

LOL. The left.

From "free healthcare!"

To.. "everyone will save thousands!"

To.. "so it costs more, just deal with it!"

To... "it was all the Republicans idea!!!!!"

To eventually... "so it's a costly, rationed nightmare! Just shut up and take the pill, no one needs to live past 70 anyway..."

LOL Spot on.

You realize that for the progressive wet dream of a single payer system, you would have to have complete gov't take over of the healthcare system. Anyone that thinks that is going to happen is mistaken.

Nah, it will happen. Once Obamacare finishes destroying the private insurance market, all that is left is government health insurance. We'll all go on the dole and we'll damn well like it. And once government health insurance has financially destroyed the health care field, we'll have government health care.

Hello, Doctor Immigrant! If your credentials are good enough for Bumfukistan, they're good enough for America! Working cheap and diversity check box supersedes the need to speak English.

 

[MongGrel]

Yep and the number one reason for bankruptcies was from those great, cheap insurance plans!


Let's also not forget how great it was that we had exponential increases in healthcare! But damn! We sure did have some good doctors back then! Too bad they all moved to Nigeria where the free market flows like water!

If stupid was a cancer you'd be in stage IV!

Nailed it.

No, you'll find out November 2016.

And says a lot about who he was responding to also.