pcgeek11
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We just about ran into a porcupine in Italy this summer. It was HUGE! Like, almost four feet tall to the tips of its quills! It also had no fear of us, just turned and sniffed the car for a while and then sauntered away.
Totally off topic; while I like the sentiment of your sig quote, how much reading have you done on the character of John Smith? He was a pretty big jerk.
PingSpike
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I watched a show about lions in Africa once. They have absolutely huge porcupines there and they had a scene where a lioness ran up to a porcupine and when she saw it wasn't running away she stopped short. Then she tried to sniff it and of course it lunged back at her when she got close, whereupon she jumped away from it. At that point she just wandered off and left the porcupine alone.
I guess the point being wild animals seem a little more clever when dealing with them, or rather the stupid wild animals have since died.
kage69
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You really need guardian dogs on duty. I researched breeds for a full year before making the decision to get Anatolian Shephard Dogs. They are amazing animals, and have never let anything, four legged or two, even attempt to mess with our herd. I've never been too impressed with the Great Pyrenees, and while Ridgebacks are cool they are not a guardian breed. That part is important for a canine that will be spending all of it's time around livestock.
Normal dogs that just bark at sounds won't do it, you need that guardian instinct and the physical ability to crush coyotes and other dogs, as well as drive off bears. Anatolians do this easily. If they can handle African predators, then anything in North America is a piece of cake. Sorry about your loss, poor cute lil buggers.
Normal dogs that just bark at sounds won't do it, you need that guardian instinct and the physical ability to crush coyotes and other dogs, as well as drive off bears. Anatolians do this easily. If they can handle African predators, then anything in North America is a piece of cake. Sorry about your loss, poor cute lil buggers.
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You really need guardian dogs on duty. I researched breeds for a full year before making the decision to get Anatolian Shephard Dogs. They are amazing animals, and have never let anything, four legged or two, even attempt to mess with our herd. I've never been too impressed with the Great Pyrenees, and while Ridgebacks are cool they are not a guardian breed. That part is important for a canine that will be spending all of it's time around livestock.
Normal dogs that just bark at sounds won't do it, you need that guardian instinct and the physical ability to crush coyotes and other dogs, as well as drive off bears. Anatolians do this easily. If they can handle African predators, then anything in North America is a piece of cake. Sorry about your loss, poor cute lil buggers.
We're going to get dogs, just have been in the midst of moving and haven't been able to do the proper fencing and training needed to bring in a new dog at this point. Probably this winter/spring we will, on our new property.
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highland145
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Pheran
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Not entirely over til we get the cougar probably. Of the four dead goats we have, one was definitely a bear, and at least one was definitely from a cougar.
Fish and Game won't let us keep the bear carcass. We killed it legally in defense of property as it tried to break into the goat pens, but since we weren't out hunting, not with a license and everything, the remains are not ours.
We had them out originally asking them to trap it or help and they declined. It didn't have to be shot, but apparently it's better from their POV to kill it than to relocate it.
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Yep. I say "we" like I was there, but I'm actually in CA. He guarded our goats good last night. :wub:
highland145
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JulesMaximus
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highland145
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did you ask them who's responsible for damages?If this happened in pennsylvania the game commission would be financially responsible.
Mr. Lennon
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Bear is just following its natural instincts for survival and you had to kill it? Many non-lethal ways you could of went about this...
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The very first thing we did was have Fish and Game come out and asked for their help. We were completely willing to have them do whatever they wanted to do, relocate it, scare it off, etc. They told us to improve our fences so we did. Didn't help. They were the ones to tell us to shoot it.
We went down the appropriate channels looking for alternatives first, I promise you.
kage69
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No training needed with guardians, it's genetic software
As long as they see a boundary you are good to go.Have you tried putting a radio out there near the goats? 24/7 music and commentary is so drastically different than the sounds of nature that it actually does have an effect on things like coyotes and bears. Not sure about big cats. The people I know in NH who told me of this trick relied on it for almost a full year and it worked so well they were considering not getting another dog.
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No training needed with guardians, it's genetic software
We live right next to a busy highway, not a chance I'd take.
We'll get a guard dog and probably a guard donkey once we get the animals relocated to California.Light and noise didn't keep the buggers away. In fact, one morning LB came outside and the critter had shat all over the lights. Apparently it had an opinion...
I think there is an obvious solution here that everyone is missing: Buy a cat or bear that is bigger than the attacker. Train it to guard the livestock. Profit.
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