Pre-election Poll (American Citizens Only) UPDATED!

[Googer]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Let Googer bathe in his own filth. This thread is approaching 3:1 territory Obama/McCain.

People like Googer are on the wrong side of history this election.

1) Where am I wrong?
2) Obama is popular overseas, particularly in Europe and especially in England. There appears to be a high number of foreign votes taking place, but for what candidate is truly an unknown. If I could redo this poll, I'd add a voting options for foreigners to help keep the polls a bit more accurate.
3)forums.anandtech.com has always had a little more liberal spin than republican presence. Most polls have voted more liberal than conservative.
In the past When they compare against the national polls, Anandtech forums prove this to be, rather correct (but not 100% right).

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Googer
It seems as if every time a new threat on the American security shows up, Obama seems to come out the next day and oppose defending ourselves against it. He like Clinton will cut our intelligence spending that was one factor that led to 9-11-2001 attacks on NYC, DC, and PA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sj91NH5fvw

Okay, enough out of you. You're obviously just trolling now. Can we get this thread locked?

It was also under the Clinton administration that the CIA and FBI were banned from communicating. If they had been able to share messages, 9-11-2001 would have never taken place and Bush's criticism would be much different today. Also note that it was Clinton who said near the end of his term, that Saddam was a threat and he would like to have him removed in one way or another whether it be peaceful or militarily. Also It was Clinton who bombed Iraq in 1998, but there were zero cries from liberals until it was Bush along with the approval of John Kerri, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, and others that went to finish the Job Slick Willy started.

It was also the Republicans who said in 2004 that the Mortgage business needed to be looked into and as early as 2001, President Bush even made it clear in his public address that there were warning signs of pending economic danger. But (many of many) Democrats in congress that said there was nothing to fear and it was good to let things proceed as they are resulting in today's economic troubles.




Now tell me how I am wrong here.

 

[Googer]

Making every American pay $7000 to bail out offshore investors, is only going to make matters worse. How am I going to pay the morgage and pay 7,000 to the Government so they can in turn hand it over to crooks, criminals, and people who cannot manage money

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Googer
It seems as if every time a new threat on the American security shows up, Obama seems to come out the next day and oppose defending ourselves against it. He like Clinton will cut our intelligence spending that was one factor that led to 9-11-2001 attacks on NYC, DC, and PA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sj91NH5fvw

Okay, enough out of you. You're obviously just trolling now. Can we get this thread locked?

You are crying foul because you have been presented with FACTS that contradict your beliefs and make you question yourself. Typical liberal mindset, when a lib looks bad he tries to censor the messenger. That's the same tactic used by evil dictators world wide; so don't vote democratic unless you want a Stalin like government.

Telling a big lie is what keeps corrupt governments in power and you do seem to practice it too>as a big stinking pile.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Googer
It seems as if every time a new threat on the American security shows up, Obama seems to come out the next day and oppose defending ourselves against it. He like Clinton will cut our intelligence spending that was one factor that led to 9-11-2001 attacks on NYC, DC, and PA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sj91NH5fvw

Okay, enough out of you. You're obviously just trolling now. Can we get this thread locked?

You are crying foul because you have been presented with FACTS that contradict your beliefs and make you question yourself. Typical liberal mindset, when a lib looks bad he tries to censor the messenger. That's the same tactic used by evil dictators world wide; so don't vote democratic unless you want a Stalin like government.

If you want to argue that McCain is better for US national security than Obama that's fine. I would disagree with you, but I'm sure you could formulate a reasonable argument. Saying that Obama opposes defending the US from threats is the sort of statement I would expect a 12 year old to make. Of course he doesn't and you know it.

Your assertion that the CIA and FBI were banned from communicating under Clinton is misleading or just flat out false. By the same logic I could say that the CIA and the FBI were banned from communicating by Bush until after 9/11. The "ban" was a series of regulations and crap that had built up over more than 50 years through Democratic and Republican administrations alike, not some directive from Clinton.

As for Iraq, instead of looking at what Clinton said why not look at what Clinton did. Bombing a country is generally a bad idea, and I didn't support us bombing Iraq when Clinton did it. Overall however it was a small investment of money and lives. Bush's solution was the cause of hundreds of thousands of deaths and more than a trillion dollars of our money. Comparing the two is ridiculous. (I'm also not sure how you think Clinton "started the job" when it was Bush's dad who was president during the first Iraq war)

Finally, President Bush repeatedly resisted efforts to increase oversight of Fannie and Freddie. He was one of the main people against McCain's much mentioned attempt to create more regulation as seen here. All the White House wanted to do was privatize them, not fix the regulatory framework.

This is your last chance to make a responsible and adult post in this thread. (at least for me) Skip the stupid partisan rhetoric and I'll talk to you. If you continue to act like an idiot, I won't.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Googer
It seems as if every time a new threat on the American security shows up, Obama seems to come out the next day and oppose defending ourselves against it. He like Clinton will cut our intelligence spending that was one factor that led to 9-11-2001 attacks on NYC, DC, and PA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sj91NH5fvw

Okay, enough out of you. You're obviously just trolling now. Can we get this thread locked?

You are crying foul because you have been presented with FACTS that contradict your beliefs and make you question yourself. Typical liberal mindset, when a lib looks bad he tries to censor the messenger. That's the same tactic used by evil dictators world wide; so don't vote democratic unless you want a Stalin like government.

Telling a big lie is what keeps corrupt governments in power and you do seem to practice it too>as a big stinking pile.

What is the "lie" that you refer to?

 

[Googer]

Obama's fiscal plans have gotten us where we are today and things will get wose if we elect him. If you don't believe me, look at the edvidence for your self.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0

 

[Googer]

How can one trust a Democrat who cannot tell the truth. For more than 150 years, the Republicans have stood for civil rights. But today you have democrats who try to steal our credit and use it for their own evil. So many democrats try to mirror them selves after one of the 10 greatest republicans of all time: Martin Luther King Jr.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1693196/posts

 

[SagaLore]

Bump.

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: Googer
How can one trust a Democrat who cannot tell the truth. For more than 150 years, the Republicans have stood for civil rights. But today you have democrats who try to steal our credit and use it for their own evil. So many democrats try to mirror them selves after one of the 10 greatest republicans of all time: Martin Luther King Jr.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1693196/posts

Yep, I've never seen McCain lie. I bet all of these below are lies about McCain lying.

http://www.youtube.com/results...lies&search_type=&aq=f

 

[ScottyB]

I like how our resident KKK doctrine-espousing O.P. feigns ignorance on using the middle name, and then when called on it starts referring to Senator Obama as "Obama bin Murderer."


So Goober, when you're not out trashing non-whites, what are you doing on your free time?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Googer
How can one trust a Democrat who cannot tell the truth. For more than 150 years, the Republicans have stood for civil rights. But today you have democrats who try to steal our credit and use it for their own evil. So many democrats try to mirror them selves after one of the 10 greatest republicans of all time: Martin Luther King Jr.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1693196/posts

Your post is incredibly wrong, and the first sign of that is that you linked to freep. The Freep article conveniently ignores something that every person who knows anything about American politics knows. The "Democrats" that the article refers to are the "Southern Democrats". They were for all intents and purposes a third party. They shared views with the Northern Democrats on economic issues and to organize the chambers of congress but joined with Republicans to oppose civil rights legislation and other social liberalization issues. This is why after the civil rights movement all those "Democrats" suddenly turned into "Republicans".

So, when you say "Democrats" voted against civil rights legislation, all you are showing is that you don't know how the parties were structured at the time.

Finally about MLK being a Republican, this is what he had to say about the Republicans:
?The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism,?

Sure doesn't sound like a Republican to me. Not that you care though, you must be getting paid for this or something.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Considering the use of this forum requires people to be able to read and write 90% of the Palin followers are not able to respond to the poll here anyway

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Googer
How can one trust a Democrat who cannot tell the truth. For more than 150 years, the Republicans have stood for civil rights. But today you have democrats who try to steal our credit and use it for their own evil. So many democrats try to mirror them selves after one of the 10 greatest republicans of all time: Martin Luther King Jr.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1693196/posts

Your post is incredibly wrong, and the first sign of that is that you linked to freep. The Freep article conveniently ignores something that every person who knows anything about American politics knows. The "Democrats" that the article refers to are the "Southern Democrats". They were for all intents and purposes a third party. They shared views with the Northern Democrats on economic issues and to organize the chambers of congress but joined with Republicans to oppose civil rights legislation and other social liberalization issues. This is why after the civil rights movement all those "Democrats" suddenly turned into "Republicans".

So, when you say "Democrats" voted against civil rights legislation, all you are showing is that you don't know how the parties were structured at the time.

Finally about MLK being a Republican, this is what he had to say about the Republicans:
?The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism,?

Sure doesn't sound like a Republican to me. Not that you care though, you must be getting paid for this or something.

Googer is no stranger to AT. He and 0roo0roo constantly spew hatred about others such as Muslims. It's not surprising that he would actually use abject resources to get his twisted point across as obviously absurd those might be.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Googer
How can one trust a Democrat who cannot tell the truth. For more than 150 years, the Republicans have stood for civil rights. But today you have democrats who try to steal our credit and use it for their own evil. So many democrats try to mirror them selves after one of the 10 greatest republicans of all time: Martin Luther King Jr.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1693196/posts

Your post is incredibly wrong, and the first sign of that is that you linked to freep. The Freep article conveniently ignores something that every person who knows anything about American politics knows. The "Democrats" that the article refers to are the "Southern Democrats". They were for all intents and purposes a third party. They shared views with the Northern Democrats on economic issues and to organize the chambers of congress but joined with Republicans to oppose civil rights legislation and other social liberalization issues. This is why after the civil rights movement all those "Democrats" suddenly turned into "Republicans".

So, when you say "Democrats" voted against civil rights legislation, all you are showing is that you don't know how the parties were structured at the time.

Finally about MLK being a Republican, this is what he had to say about the Republicans:
?The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism,?

Sure doesn't sound like a Republican to me. Not that you care though, you must be getting paid for this or something.

Googer is no stranger to AT. He and 0roo0roo constantly spew hatred about others such as Muslims. It's not surprising that he would actually use abject resources to get his twisted point across as obviously absurd those might be.

Stop with the slander. I don't hate muslums, I just distrust a small sect of the Muslum Population and wholly disagree with the koran. I work with a muslum almost on a daily basis and I'd say he's a great guy, we get along very well. I enjoy his company.

MLK was a republican, it was the democrats who were pro-segregation, pro-slavery, and pro-bigot. It was democrat who shot and killed MLK.

It was the republicans who opposed the Democrats stance on pro-slavery, it was WHITE Republicans who died in a war to free black men, it was Republicans who stood for civil rights of all blacks, It was the republicans who twice supported the 14th Amendment to give blacks the same rights as whites, and it was the Democrats who twice unanimously shot down the 14th Amendment and insisted upon segregation.

The Democratic Party is the only party to have had KKK members in it's ranks. It was the Republicans who stood against them tooth and nail to stop their bigotry. It's the Democrats who repress black men and still do to this day.

Do you think I am making this up? Well then listen to my Black Friend Speak.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: ScottyB
I like how our resident KKK doctrine-espousing O.P. feigns ignorance on using the middle name, and then when called on it starts referring to Senator Obama as "Obama bin Murderer."


So Goober, when you're not out trashing non-whites, what are you doing on your free time?

Yes, I mean that because he is supports post birth baby murder. In other words, after the mother has given birth she is allowed to let the baby lay there and die unattended.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Googer

Stop with the slander. I don't hate muslums, I just distrust a small sect of the Muslum Population and wholly disagree with the koran. I work with a muslum almost on a daily basis and I'd say he's a great guy, we get along very well. I enjoy his company.

MLK was a republican, it was the democrats who were pro-segregation, pro-slavery, and pro-bigot. It was democrat who shot and killed MLK.

It was the republicans who opposed the Democrats stance on pro-slavery, it was WHITE Republicans who died in a war to free black men, it was Republicans who stood for civil rights of all blacks, It was the republicans who twice supported the 14th Amendment to give blacks the same rights as whites, and it was the Democrats who twice unanimously shot down the 14th Amendment and insisted upon segregation.

The Democratic Party is the only party to have had KKK members in it's ranks. It was the Republicans who stood against them tooth and nail to stop their bigotry. It's the Democrats who repress black men and still do to this day.

Do you think I am making this up? Well then listen to my Black Friend Speak.

So I'm guessing you didn't even bother to read my post. I was a political science major in college with a minor in American history. My education seems particularly relevant to what you are trying to say here, and I'm telling you that you're wrong. Southern Democrats have nothing to do with today's Democratic party, which is now entirely encompassed by what back then were referred to as Northern Democrats. The Republican party back in 1860 stood for very little that the modern day Republican Party stands for. Just because they share a name doesn't mean that they share anything in terms of what matters.

Martin Luther King was not a Republican. A large number of his stances directly contradict what the Republican Party today stands for. When asked about the Republican Party towards the end of his life, he responded with that horrified quote I gave to you earlier. Even if history rewrote itself and MLK was a Republican then, he certainly wouldn't be now, as the modern Republican party spent 30 years explicitly race baiting as an electoral strategy with the 'Southern Strategy".

Face facts.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Googer
I won't be voting for Obama/Biden, because I do not want higher taxes.

So I take it you make in excess of $250,000/year then?

No, I don't make that much. I make less. But I don't wan't any higher taxes anywhere. Less money in the economy is always a bad thing, especially when the top 5% employ the bottom 80%. Don't we need more jobs?

Bush already gave tax cuts to the rich, and look what we got: 600,000 jobs lost in 2008 so far.

McCain = More of the same

Current job loss is due to banking collapse and is not related to tax cuts. The economy was booming a year or so after Bush cut taxes. The banking crisis began before bush took office as liberals tried to make it easier for people who cannot afford to buy a home to buy a house.s

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
I'll be writing-in or voting third party.

Anyone that votes for either McCain or Obama because they believe they are a good choice to lead our country is a fool.

If you vote for either McCain or Obama in order to prevent the other from winning than you are the one wasting your vote.

Simple as that.

Anyone who wastes there vote is a fool, sorry.

 

[Googer]

Under the Republicans, everyone pays lower taxes. Under Clinton, everyone pays more. Including the middle class.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/22958.html

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Googer
Under the Republicans, everyone pays lower taxes. Under Clinton, everyone pays more. Including the middle class.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/22958.html

And the deficit has doubled to over $10 Trillion! You are comparing Clinton (who cut the deficit bleeding to nothing) to Bush who keeps doubling it...
That's like saying someone made more cash because he borrowed more from the bank. While there is more cash in the account, the net balance is far worse!

Just so it's clear...

When Clinton took office, the deficit in his first year went up $280 Billion (as it had done before) to $4.411488 trillion...
When Clinton left office, the deficit was $5.674178 trillion and the amount it increased had been slowed to under $18 billion for the year.

From that number during Bush's 8 years, the deficit has increased to $10.191783 trillion which amounts to $33,430.15 of debt for every man woman and child in the country...

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Googer
Under the Republicans, everyone pays lower taxes. Under Clinton, everyone pays more. Including the middle class.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/22958.html

And the deficit has doubled to over $10 Trillion! You are comparing Clinton (who cut the deficit bleeding to nothing) to Bush who keeps doubling it...
That's like saying someone made more cash because he borrowed more from the bank. While there is more cash in the account, the net balance is far worse!

Just so it's clear...

When Clinton took office, the deficit in his first year went up $280 Billion (as it had done before) to $4.411488 trillion...
When Clinton left office, the deficit was $5.674178 trillion and the amount it increased had been slowed to under $18 billion for the year.

From that number during Bush's 8 years, the deficit has increased to $10.191783 trillion which amounts to $33,430.15 of debt for every man woman and child in the country...

Bush cut taxes, the economy took off and government revenue increased.

But congressional pork and defense spending is what put us in debt. Cut the pork and the taxes, then we will all be better off with a lower deficit and more money to spend. Say no to those $21,000 hammers and rescue plans for wooden arrow manufacturers (no joke), our army doesn't need that.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Googer
Under the Republicans, everyone pays lower taxes. Under Clinton, everyone pays more. Including the middle class.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/22958.html

And the deficit has doubled to over $10 Trillion! You are comparing Clinton (who cut the deficit bleeding to nothing) to Bush who keeps doubling it...
That's like saying someone made more cash because he borrowed more from the bank. While there is more cash in the account, the net balance is far worse!

Just so it's clear...

When Clinton took office, the deficit in his first year went up $280 Billion (as it had done before) to $4.411488 trillion...
When Clinton left office, the deficit was $5.674178 trillion and the amount it increased had been slowed to under $18 billion for the year.

From that number during Bush's 8 years, the deficit has increased to $10.191783 trillion which amounts to $33,430.15 of debt for every man woman and child in the country...

Bush cut taxes, the economy took off and government revenue increased.

But congressional pork and defense spending is what put us in debt. Cut the pork and the taxes, then we will all be better off with a lower deficit and more money to spend. Say no to those $21,000 hammers and rescue plans for wooden arrow manufacturers (no joke), our army doesn't need that.

Government earmarks account for $18 Billion/year in expenses...that's not even a small trickle of the wasteful spending the Republicans have had. It always sounds nice for the uninitiated to think that the "pork" is where all the cash goes, but it isn't.

It's now pretty evident that Reagan's "trickle-down" economics and deregulation just don't work (unless you're in the top 5% income bracket).

 

[Googer]

I'm voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of
spending the money I earn than I would.

I'm voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is
offended by it.

I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq I trust that the bad
guys will stop what they're doing because they now think we're good people.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it
will rain on Friday CAN tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in
ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.

I'm voting Democrat because I
'm not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long as we
keep all death row inmates alive.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to
make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away
to the government for redistribution as THEY see fit.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe three or four pointy headed elitist
liberals need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit some fringe
kooks who would NEVER get their agendas past the voters.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that when the terrorists don't have to
hide from us over there, when they come over here I don't want to have any
guns in the house to fight them off with.

I'm voting Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I
want. I've decided to marry my horse.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a
gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas
at 15% isn't.

Makes ya wonder why anyone would EVER vote Republican, now doesn't it?

 

[Googer]

New Last Minute Election Poll Added. Have things changed since this thread was started?