PP&C -vs- Seasonic

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Googer

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1
heh, i checked here. (really loving that site)
http://www.jonnyguru.com/SMPS_UL.htm

So it seems that is true.

"
Old Silencers built by Sparkle (now FSP.) Current Silencers built by Seasonic. Turbo-Cool built by Win-Tact."

I find that to be a bit questionable, there has been tons of companies named all of whom have been said to produce PC Power and Coolings Designs; yet no one can really nail it. And some say that PC Power and Cooling manufactures their own here in the USA (last US based manufacturer still standing). We need further proof.
Really now.

Yes, plenty of speculation but no hard proof.

EDIT: Please do not edit my quotes, use the full context.v:disgust:
The meaning was changed?

Hmmmm....

 

Howard

Lifer
Oct 14, 1999
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Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1
heh, i checked here. (really loving that site)
http://www.jonnyguru.com/SMPS_UL.htm

So it seems that is true.

"
Old Silencers built by Sparkle (now FSP.) Current Silencers built by Seasonic. Turbo-Cool built by Win-Tact."

I find that to be a bit questionable, there has been tons of companies named all of whom have been said to produce PC Power and Coolings Designs; yet no one can really nail it. And some say that PC Power and Cooling manufactures their own here in the USA (last US based manufacturer still standing). We need further proof.
Really now.

Yes, plenty of speculation but no hard proof.

EDIT: Please do not edit my quotes, use the full context.v:disgust:
The meaning was changed?

Hmmmm....
Don't be stupid. I didn't change any of the words. The context wasn't changed and you know it.
 

Googer

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1
heh, i checked here. (really loving that site)
http://www.jonnyguru.com/SMPS_UL.htm

So it seems that is true.

"
Old Silencers built by Sparkle (now FSP.) Current Silencers built by Seasonic. Turbo-Cool built by Win-Tact."

I find that to be a bit questionable, there has been tons of companies named all of whom have been said to produce PC Power and Coolings Designs; yet no one can really nail it. And some say that PC Power and Cooling manufactures their own here in the USA (last US based manufacturer still standing). We need further proof.
Really now.

Yes, plenty of speculation but no hard proof.

EDIT: Please do not edit my quotes, use the full context.v:disgust:
The meaning was changed?

Hmmmm....
Stop being a douche. I didn't change any of the words. The context wasn't changed and you know it.


Omitting is just as bad as changing. Isn't that right CNN?

 

Engraver

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Have a Galaxy Enermax 1000w here; it runs fairly cool and suprisingly quiet. Intake fan is 120mm or larger while the exhaust is 92mm. The casing is cool to the touch compared to my last PSU which doubled as a grill.
 

cmdrdredd

Lifer
Dec 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1
heh, i checked here. (really loving that site)
http://www.jonnyguru.com/SMPS_UL.htm

So it seems that is true.

"
Old Silencers built by Sparkle (now FSP.) Current Silencers built by Seasonic. Turbo-Cool built by Win-Tact."

I find that to be a bit questionable, there has been tons of companies named all of whom have been said to produce PC Power and Coolings Designs; yet no one can really nail it. And some say that PC Power and Cooling manufactures their own here in the USA (last US based manufacturer still standing). We need further proof.

It's simple. Some models are made to PCP&C specs by one OEm and some models are made to their specs by a different OEM.

There was a HUGE thread about this on Hardocp a while back and cause one member who used to have big reviews and ratings of most of the PSUs out there, leave. This was because he said exactly this...that PCP&C does not manufacturer it's own PSU models, yet outsourced and the OEM was not allowed to use the same specs on a model marketed by them. Some OEM did, I forget who and PCP&C faught them for breach of contract.
I believe it was the Seasonic SS-750JS.

Yeah could be...I really don't remember specifics...it was a cat fight over there and I just flipped through quickly.
 

cmdrdredd

Lifer
Dec 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1
heh, i checked here. (really loving that site)
http://www.jonnyguru.com/SMPS_UL.htm

So it seems that is true.

"
Old Silencers built by Sparkle (now FSP.) Current Silencers built by Seasonic. Turbo-Cool built by Win-Tact."

I find that to be a bit questionable, there has been tons of companies named all of whom have been said to produce PC Power and Coolings Designs; yet no one can really nail it. And some say that PC Power and Cooling manufactures their own here in the USA (last US based manufacturer still standing). We need further proof.

It's simple. Some models are made to PCP&C specs by one OEm and some models are made to their specs by a different OEM.

There was a HUGE thread about this on Hardocp a while back and cause one member who used to have big reviews and ratings of most of the PSUs out there, leave. This was because he said exactly this...that PCP&C does not manufacturer it's own PSU models, yet outsourced and the OEM was not allowed to use the same specs on a model marketed by them. Some OEM did, I forget who and PCP&C faught them for breach of contract.


Forums are about as reliable of source of information as rumor or relying on wikipedia for your college exam.

Not when the main post in the thread was from a very reputable person who has been doing PSU reviews, previews, and research for many many years. He had a site with every PSU you could find to purchase and he would tell you the actual wattage it would do reliably (no peak wattage here). He also did alot of reviews on the internals. He would take apart a PSU to see where the pieces were made and that helps alot to determine a good from a bad.

Trust me when I say he was THE SOURCE when you needed info on a PSU. I wish I remembered a name...
 

Googer

Lifer
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Dr. Michael Schuette, Anand Lal Shimpi, Walt Mossberg = Reliable and trustworthy

Some random unknown Joe Doe hiding behind a screen name using some random forum = questionable source and not trustworthy. Even I can spew BS and convince you it's truth; It's not hard to do.
 

Googer

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1
heh, i checked here. (really loving that site)
http://www.jonnyguru.com/SMPS_UL.htm

So it seems that is true.

"
Old Silencers built by Sparkle (now FSP.) Current Silencers built by Seasonic. Turbo-Cool built by Win-Tact."

I find that to be a bit questionable, there has been tons of companies named all of whom have been said to produce PC Power and Coolings Designs; yet no one can really nail it. And some say that PC Power and Cooling manufactures their own here in the USA (last US based manufacturer still standing). We need further proof.
Really now.

Yes, plenty of speculation but no hard proof.

EDIT: Please do not edit my quotes, use the full context.v:disgust:
The meaning was changed?

Hmmmm....
Don't be stupid. The context was changed and you know it.

 

Aluvus

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Apr 27, 2006
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Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Yeah could be...I really don't remember specifics...it was a cat fight over there and I just flipped through quickly.

Thread is here, drama starts about the third page. There was a thread about that thread on these forums; it is here.

Originally posted by: Googer
Dr. Michael Schuette, Anand Lal Shimpi, Walt Mossberg = Reliable and trustworthy

Some random unknown Joe Doe hiding behind a screen name using some random forum = questionable source and not trustworthy. Even I can spew BS and convince you it's truth; It's not hard to do.

jonnyGURU is not "Joe Doe". He's stated more than once that current Silencers are built by Seasonic, and all the internal shots I've seen of them would support that.

Incidentally, he claims on the second page of the AT Forums thread above to have confirmed that the Doug Dodson emails posted on Hardforum were all legit.

Not trusting someone on the internet because you don't trust anyone on the internet is one thing ("on the internet, no one knows you're a dog"). Not trusting them purely because you don't know their real name is another.

Originally posted by: Googer

Omitting is just as bad as changing. Isn't that right CNN?

Quoting and replying to part of a post and omiting the rest is a standard forum (and email, Usenet, etc.) practice. Chill out. Are you going to complain next that I removed the nested quotes when I quoted your post?
 

Howard

Lifer
Oct 14, 1999
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Originally posted by: Aluvus
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Yeah could be...I really don't remember specifics...it was a cat fight over there and I just flipped through quickly.

Thread is here, drama starts about the third page. There was a thread about that thread on these forums; it is here.

Originally posted by: Googer
Dr. Michael Schuette, Anand Lal Shimpi, Walt Mossberg = Reliable and trustworthy

Some random unknown Joe Doe hiding behind a screen name using some random forum = questionable source and not trustworthy. Even I can spew BS and convince you it's truth; It's not hard to do.

jonnyGURU is not "Joe Doe". He's stated more than once that current Silencers are built by Seasonic, and all the internal shots I've seen of them would support that.

Incidentally, he claims on the second page of the AT Forums thread above to have confirmed that the Doug Dodson emails posted on Hardforum were all legit.

Not trusting someone on the internet because you don't trust anyone on the internet is one thing ("on the internet, no one knows you're a dog"). Not trusting them purely because you don't know their real name is another.

Originally posted by: Googer

Omitting is just as bad as changing. Isn't that right CNN?

Quoting and replying to part of a post and omiting the rest is a standard forum (and email, Usenet, etc.) practice. Chill out. Are you going to complain next that I removed the nested quotes when I quoted your post?
Don't feed the trolls kthx. :)
 

gus6464

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Nov 10, 2005
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I second Enermax PSUs. Been using them for about 9 years with no problems. PSUs last longer than the other system parts running 24/7.
 

Puffnstuff

Lifer
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The air temp exhausting out of my galaxy 850 is substantially cooler than when I was using an enermax noisetaker 600 running the same stuff except for the case.
 

Howard

Lifer
Oct 14, 1999
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Originally posted by: gus6464
I second Enermax PSUs. Been using them for about 9 years with no problems. PSUs last longer than the other system parts running 24/7.
I disagree. PSUs should not last as long as CPUs and memory, and probably motherboards and video cards as well. The first thing to fail is usually the caps, and no other part has them at higher temperatures for extended periods.
 

Noubourne

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I vote Seasonic. Esp. since they MAKE the silencer 750 that is being recommended here, and for the same $200, you can get a modular M12 700 that performs the same and looks better.

And yes I'm biased b/c I just shopped for PSUs, and decided that Seasonic was best.
 

Mem

Lifer
Apr 23, 2000
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I voted PP&C mainly because too much bias in AT forums for Seasonic ,personally you can't go wrong with either or any good quality PSU like Enermax etc...

In the end does it really matter which one you get when you are looking at some of the best PSU brands,I think not.
 

Howard

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Engraver
Originally posted by: BladeVenom
What do you need a 1,000 Watt power supply for?


13 harddrives and still counting
Each one takes about half an amp on +12V. About 1A on spinup, but the other components won't draw so much during boot.
 

gus6464

Golden Member
Nov 10, 2005
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Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: gus6464
I second Enermax PSUs. Been using them for about 9 years with no problems. PSUs last longer than the other system parts running 24/7.
I disagree. PSUs should not last as long as CPUs and memory, and probably motherboards and video cards as well. The first thing to fail is usually the caps, and no other part has them at higher temperatures for extended periods.

What I meant to say was that all the Enermax PSUs I have owned have lasted longer than the other pc components in my builds.
 

Howard

Lifer
Oct 14, 1999
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Originally posted by: gus6464
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: gus6464
I second Enermax PSUs. Been using them for about 9 years with no problems. PSUs last longer than the other system parts running 24/7.
I disagree. PSUs should not last as long as CPUs and memory, and probably motherboards and video cards as well. The first thing to fail is usually the caps, and no other part has them at higher temperatures for extended periods.

What I meant to say was that all the Enermax PSUs I have owned have lasted longer than the other pc components in my builds.
Ah, gotcha. You must be pretty unlucky to have all your parts fail, though.
 

GalvanizedYankee

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Oct 27, 2003
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Another foodfighter thread.
He posts flame bait then never re-enters the thread.

Give him a spanking and no desert. Hahahaha!

No one needs a 1kw PSU...end of thread.
 

Googer

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: Mem
I voted PP&C mainly because too much bias in AT forums for Seasonic ,personally you can't go wrong with either or any good quality PSU like Enermax etc...

In the end does it really matter which one you get when you are looking at some of the best PSU brands,I think not.

It seems that anything with the word Sea in it gets lots of bias on Anandtech forums...

Seasonic
Seagate
Sea...
 

Quiksilver

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Originally posted by: gus6464
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: gus6464
I second Enermax PSUs. Been using them for about 9 years with no problems. PSUs last longer than the other system parts running 24/7.
I disagree. PSUs should not last as long as CPUs and memory, and probably motherboards and video cards as well. The first thing to fail is usually the caps, and no other part has them at higher temperatures for extended periods.

What I meant to say was that all the Enermax PSUs I have owned have lasted longer than the other pc components in my builds.

*Shortly after saying this his PSU dies*