Powells speech, flawed?
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The second link doesn't really follow your title. Looks like the Brits took a little 'journalistic freedom', but I don't see how that makes Powell's speech flawed.
Read that first link, the people who live there says it isn't there, wow, and those support the US... who shall we believe, the choice is sooo hard...
BTW, try to keep this free from flames, i just want opinions, was the speech flawed or not?
From reading those articles, sure. But I'd say that only covers 5% of his speech, if the other 95% is correct then do you support him? How do *you* feel?
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'Think'? They live there.
The weakest part was the terrorist claims. Unfortunately for me, that is what determines the necessity of military action. If there is active, supported terrorism against the US by Saddam, then that is not a hypothetical, but tangable danger. I did not get to hear all the presentation, but arent some of the claimed sites of terrorism in parts of the country not under the control of Saddam?
I only believe in what i know, for me to know something it takes hard evidence...
Blix dismissed the evidence, to me, that means that an unbiased source knows better...
Actually, a hard link to terrorism would provide a direct threat, i would be ok with war if there's a direct threat...
The claimed sites of terrorism were so mixed up that it makes you wonder if they just invented them or if they actually exist...
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if you actually read the article, you'd see that they don't dispute the fact that the factory exists. just the location of it
im sure you're much more capable of leading a country than those elected by the people.
let me ask you a simple question. If you're so much against a war, then what is your solution to this problem with Iraq? and please, no more of your propaganda nonsense you seem to spout frequently
im sure you're much more capable of leading a country than those elected by the people.
let me ask you a simple question. If you're so much against a war, then what is your solution to this problem with Iraq? and please, no more of your propaganda nonsense you seem to spout frequently
Originally posted by: dabuddha
if you actually read the article, you'd see that they don't dispute the fact that the factory exists. just the location of it
im sure you're much more capable of leading a country than those elected by the people.
let me ask you a simple question. If you're so much against a war, then what is your solution to this problem with Iraq? and please, no more of your propaganda nonsense you seem to spout frequently
I asked a simple question, was the speech flawed or not, you seem to want a flamefest, but i will not bite your bait this time....
propaganda...
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Originally posted by: dabuddha
if you actually read the article, you'd see that they don't dispute the fact that the factory exists. just the location of it im sure you're much more capable of leading a country than those elected by the people. let me ask you a simple question. If you're so much against a war, then what is your solution to this problem with Iraq? and please, no more of your propaganda nonsense you seem to spout frequently
You may not have been addressing me but I think the "problem" with Iraq is overstated to be generous. Keep inspectors there, but give them authority to destroy sites determined to be producing banned weapons.
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Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Originally posted by: dabuddha
if you actually read the article, you'd see that they don't dispute the fact that the factory exists. just the location of it im sure you're much more capable of leading a country than those elected by the people. let me ask you a simple question. If you're so much against a war, then what is your solution to this problem with Iraq? and please, no more of your propaganda nonsense you seem to spout frequently
You may not have been addressing me but I think the "problem" with Iraq is overstated to be generous. Keep inspectors there, but give them authority to destroy sites determined to be producing banned weapons.
in theory that is a good solution. but it'll never work because you think "so damn insane" will easily give up his WMDs or production sites because the UN inspectors say so?
as for snapit, i didn't think he'd answer my question because he has no reasonable answer. Because there is no reasonable answer when dealing with a madman.
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Originally posted by: dabuddha
in theory that is a good solution. but it'll never work because you think "so damn insane" will easily give up his WMDs or production sites because the UN inspectors say so? as for snapit, i didn't think he'd answer my question because he has no reasonable answer. Because there is no reasonable answer when dealing with a madman.Originally posted by: HayabusariderYou may not have been addressing me but I think the "problem" with Iraq is overstated to be generous. Keep inspectors there, but give them authority to destroy sites determined to be producing banned weapons.Originally posted by: dabuddha if you actually read the article, you'd see that they don't dispute the fact that the factory exists. just the location of it im sure you're much more capable of leading a country than those elected by the people. let me ask you a simple question. If you're so much against a war, then what is your solution to this problem with Iraq? and please, no more of your propaganda nonsense you seem to spout frequently
Well, the Israelis made him give up his nuke plants didnt they? I did not say ask him to stop. When a child has something which may be dangerous, and you take it away, the child becomes pissed, however he wont be doing damage. There are viable military options short of war. Pull his teeth.
Originally posted by: dabuddha
Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Originally posted by: dabuddha
if you actually read the article, you'd see that they don't dispute the fact that the factory exists. just the location of it im sure you're much more capable of leading a country than those elected by the people. let me ask you a simple question. If you're so much against a war, then what is your solution to this problem with Iraq? and please, no more of your propaganda nonsense you seem to spout frequently
You may not have been addressing me but I think the "problem" with Iraq is overstated to be generous. Keep inspectors there, but give them authority to destroy sites determined to be producing banned weapons.
in theory that is a good solution. but it'll never work because you think "so damn insane" will easily give up his WMDs or production sites because the UN inspectors say so?
as for snapit, i didn't think he'd answer my question because he has no reasonable answer. Because there is no reasonable answer when dealing with a madman.
Well, i will only adress questions when i am not insulted and when someone answers the questions i ask first...
It's kinda hard to just dismiss every flaw, it makes you think about all the flaws that haven't been found...
Blix is one man on foot. The US had thrown their intelligence resources at Iraq including spies and aerial photography. Do you really think the one guy walking around knows better? He's already been denied access on more than one occasion and has yet to be able to interview the scientists over there. I think it's a little presumptious to assume he has the whole picture.
So why don't you evaluate Saddam's speeches and look for flaws in what Iraq has said? You're trying to sound honorable but to me this thread is flamebait.
Bush is one man on foot too....
Do you think he's alone, do you think he listens to the inpectors and the US intelligence, of course he does... Blix is not one guy walking around, what he does is that he evaluates the information given...
Ok, i will, i believe that more inspections, until the inspectors believe they are finished, destuction of what is found and cooperation of ever nation is a good thing...
I don't think that rushing to war is the answer in this case...
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wow, for once i agree with you. but i'm looking at this one step further. It'd be naive to think Iraq would "willingly" allow the destruction of any WMD found and the production sites. And in this case, with the terrorist ties, we really have no choice but to strike first. We made that mistake before with Bin Ladin and so many people had to pay with their lives. pacifism is nice in theory but will not work in this world today
No thread is flamebait unless you bite...
I was just asking a question, providing links, just because you don't agree with it does not mean that it is flamebait or that i am any less honorable....
Saddams speeches flawed? bah, of course they are, he's lying through his teeth, but that was not the point... no man in his right mind thinks that saddam is a nice guy, i don't, you don't, nobody does, does that mean that a war is the best solution? I don't think so...
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