Powell says send more troops Bush says NO.

[NightCrawler]

Washington Post story today

http://www.washingtonpost.com/

 

[NightCrawler]

http://www.reuters.com/newsArt...ws&storyID=7174454

 

[Czar]

Powell submitted his resignation on the day of the Blair meeting, according to the newspaper.

wow

 

[tallest1]

News like this makes me want to buy Powell's inevitable book the moment it comes out. It'll read like a true White House soap opera. 🙂

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: tallest1
News like this makes me want to buy Powell's inevitable book the moment it comes out. It'll read like a true White House soap opera. 🙂

OMG that would mean Dick and George are......... :Q

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: tallest1
News like this makes me want to buy Powell's inevitable book the moment it comes out. It'll read like a true White House soap opera. 🙂

IMO, Powell's flaw is he's too good a soldier. He'll never write that book because it isn't what a good soldier does to his CO. Powell should have been SoD instead of SoS. Rumsfeld shouldn't have even been in the picture.

After Rumsfeld's disastrous planning of the Iraq debacle, his flaunting of the Geneva Conventions, and his disprepectful treatment of American troops I'm truly amazed there hasn't been a ground swell of protest that forced his removal from office by now. But, incredible as it may seem, America and Bush somehow continue to accept Rumsfeld. But hey, they still accept Bush.

I wonder what their reacton would have been by this point to Clinton asking an enemy that would go on to kill over 1,300 American soldiers, "Bring 'em on"?

 

[CQuinn]

IMO, Powell's flaw is he's too good a soldier. He'll never write that book because it isn't what a good soldier does to his CO. Powell should have been SoD instead of SoS. Rumsfeld shouldn't have even been in the picture.

Yeah, but Powell couldn't be SoD, because he was already head of the Joint Chiefs, which means
there would have been too much of a conflict of interest for him to step from the military position
to its nearest civilian equivalent.

 

[Genesys]

I dont even see why this is a story...? Since Powell is Secretary of State, he is in charge of foreign relations and diplomacy, not military operations. It seems to me that Powell is overstepping his authority as a public figure by making such statements.

If instead Rumsfeld said more troops and Bush subsequently said no, then a case for outrage could be made, but this is grasping at straws for a constantly flailing leftwing.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Genesys
I dont even see why this is a story...? Since Powell is Secretary of State, he is in charge of foreign relations and diplomacy, not military operations. It seems to me that Powell is overstepping his authority as a public figure by making such statements.

If instead Rumsfeld said more troops and Bush subsequently said no, then a case for outrage could be made, but this is grasping at straws for a constantly flailing leftwing.

Yea, what was he thinking. We don't have foreign relations and diplomacy anymore. Also, he should be ashamed to think that he knows anything about the military at all....poor bastard. :roll:


A war that should never have been started....and once started, became a war on the cheap. Fvck Iraq, have their PR elections and start a mass exodus! (Exclamation point)

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Genesys
I dont even see why this is a story...? Since Powell is Secretary of State, he is in charge of foreign relations and diplomacy, not military operations. It seems to me that Powell is overstepping his authority as a public figure by making such statements.

If instead Rumsfeld said more troops and Bush subsequently said no, then a case for outrage could be made, but this is grasping at straws for a constantly flailing leftwing.

Yeah cause Powell is a Liberal...oh wait

 

[NightCrawler]

Since Powell is a soldier and author of the Powell doctrine it seems to be fitting that he would have something to say about troop strength and planning.

God knows Rumsfield was the wrong person for the job, he single handily destroyed the NeoCon agenda.

 

[ntdz]

uh...they are sending 12,000 more troops, I take that as a YES by Bush not a NO.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: Genesys
I dont even see why this is a story...? Since Powell is Secretary of State, he is in charge of foreign relations and diplomacy, not military operations. It seems to me that Powell is overstepping his authority as a public figure by making such statements.

If instead Rumsfeld said more troops and Bush subsequently said no, then a case for outrage could be made, but this is grasping at straws for a constantly flailing leftwing.

Yeah cause Powell is a Liberal...oh wait

Yeah, what does HE know about military operations... sheesh, the nerve of some people.

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: Genesys
I dont even see why this is a story...? Since Powell is Secretary of State, he is in charge of foreign relations and diplomacy, not military operations. It seems to me that Powell is overstepping his authority as a public figure by making such statements.

If instead Rumsfeld said more troops and Bush subsequently said no, then a case for outrage could be made, but this is grasping at straws for a constantly flailing leftwing.

Yeah cause Powell is a Liberal...oh wait

Yeah, what does HE know about military operations... sheesh, the nerve of some people.

it doesnt matter what he knows, it matters what his position in the government is. he isnt Secretary of Defense, plain and simple.

Since Powell is a soldier and author of the Powell doctrine it seems to be fitting that he would have something to say about troop strength and planning.

God knows Rumsfield was the wrong person for the job, he single handily destroyed the NeoCon agenda.

you mean was a soldier, he is now a politician.

Yea, what was he thinking. We don't have foreign relations and diplomacy anymore. Also, he should be ashamed to think that he knows anything about the military at all....poor bastard.


A war that should never have been started....and once started, became a war on the cheap. Fvck Iraq, have their PR elections and start a mass exodus! (Exclamation point)

i dont know what he was hoping to accomplish by making such statements, could be something along the lines of trying to appeal to leftists like yourself. foreign relations and diplomacy is Powells job, he needn't worry himself with the operation of our nations military as his job doesnt require it.



and just because im curious Engineer, wtf is this comment

Also, he should be ashamed to think that he knows anything about the military at all....poor bastard.

supposed to accomplish? is that you just shooting your mouth off again, feeling the need to make some snide comment? get a grip on life and grow up.

 

[NightCrawler]

Originally posted by: ntdz
uh...they are sending 12,000 more troops, I take that as a YES by Bush not a NO.

120,000 more troops I would consider it a YES but 12,000 is a joke.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: Genesys
I dont even see why this is a story...? Since Powell is Secretary of State, he is in charge of foreign relations and diplomacy, not military operations. It seems to me that Powell is overstepping his authority as a public figure by making such statements.

If instead Rumsfeld said more troops and Bush subsequently said no, then a case for outrage could be made, but this is grasping at straws for a constantly flailing leftwing.

Yeah cause Powell is a Liberal...oh wait

Yeah, what does HE know about military operations... sheesh, the nerve of some people.

it doesnt matter what he knows, it matters what his position in the government is. he isnt Secretary of Defense, plain and simple.

Since Powell is a soldier and author of the Powell doctrine it seems to be fitting that he would have something to say about troop strength and planning.

God knows Rumsfield was the wrong person for the job, he single handily destroyed the NeoCon agenda.

you mean was a soldier, he is now a politician.

Yea, what was he thinking. We don't have foreign relations and diplomacy anymore. Also, he should be ashamed to think that he knows anything about the military at all....poor bastard.


A war that should never have been started....and once started, became a war on the cheap. Fvck Iraq, have their PR elections and start a mass exodus! (Exclamation point)

i dont know what he was hoping to accomplish by making such statements, could be something along the lines of trying to appeal to leftists like yourself. foreign relations and diplomacy is Powells job, he needn't worry himself with the operation of our nations military as his job doesnt require it.



and just because im curious Engineer, wtf is this comment

Also, he should be ashamed to think that he knows anything about the military at all....poor bastard.

supposed to accomplish? is that you just shooting your mouth off again, feeling the need to make some snide comment? get a grip on life and grow up.

The situation we're in in Iraq is PRECISELY because of that type of attitude. The Bush Administration doesn't LISTEN even to those that are "on their side".

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: Genesys
I dont even see why this is a story...? Since Powell is Secretary of State, he is in charge of foreign relations and diplomacy, not military operations. It seems to me that Powell is overstepping his authority as a public figure by making such statements.

If instead Rumsfeld said more troops and Bush subsequently said no, then a case for outrage could be made, but this is grasping at straws for a constantly flailing leftwing.

Yeah cause Powell is a Liberal...oh wait

Yeah, what does HE know about military operations... sheesh, the nerve of some people.

it doesnt matter what he knows, it matters what his position in the government is. he isnt Secretary of Defense, plain and simple.

Since Powell is a soldier and author of the Powell doctrine it seems to be fitting that he would have something to say about troop strength and planning.

God knows Rumsfield was the wrong person for the job, he single handily destroyed the NeoCon agenda.

you mean was a soldier, he is now a politician.

Yea, what was he thinking. We don't have foreign relations and diplomacy anymore. Also, he should be ashamed to think that he knows anything about the military at all....poor bastard.


A war that should never have been started....and once started, became a war on the cheap. Fvck Iraq, have their PR elections and start a mass exodus! (Exclamation point)

i dont know what he was hoping to accomplish by making such statements, could be something along the lines of trying to appeal to leftists like yourself. foreign relations and diplomacy is Powells job, he needn't worry himself with the operation of our nations military as his job doesnt require it.



and just because im curious Engineer, wtf is this comment

Also, he should be ashamed to think that he knows anything about the military at all....poor bastard.

supposed to accomplish? is that you just shooting your mouth off again, feeling the need to make some snide comment? get a grip on life and grow up.

The situation we're in in Iraq is PRECISELY because of that type of attitude. The Bush Administration doesn't LISTEN even to those that are "on their side".

There you go. Your answer, Genesys, was given before I came back. Bush fvcked up Iraq by invading and, with piss poor planning, is continuing to fvck it up.

I've got a good grip on life. Stick you blathering opinion. You Bush fanboys can't stand anyone against your man and his war, can you?

Colon Powell has more military experience and insight than the whole fvcking crew in DC.

Ah, what the hell, wasting my time in this thread. Bush and crew have fvcked up Iraq and 56% of the US people now say that it wasn't worth fighting, but what do they know? Just as much as Powell, I guess.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Genesys
I dont even see why this is a story...? Since Powell is Secretary of State, he is in charge of foreign relations and diplomacy, not military operations. It seems to me that Powell is overstepping his authority as a public figure by making such statements.

If instead Rumsfeld said more troops and Bush subsequently said no, then a case for outrage could be made, but this is grasping at straws for a constantly flailing leftwing.

"Citing people familiar with records of the private talks, the newspaper said Powell's advice came 10 days after the end of the presidential campaign, during intense discussions on Iraq between Bush and Blair. "


If you read the article you would see these were not public statements, and he not only has the right but the obligation to give input. If he has opinions, it is his job to speak his mind. Of course he will be ignored as before, but that doesn't matter.

If I were President and a former general who is the Sec of State did NOT give me his opinions, he would be in serious trouble. This seems to be contrary to the wishes of this administration, but then again Bush is the worst President I have ever seen (including Nixon).

 

[arsbanned]

Why that uppity General, who has actually been boots on ground in conflict and directed thousands of troops. What the hell would he know about this stuff....