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Powell: New Bin Laden Statement Confirms Iraq Link

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Laden sure talks like Saddam. The US were bombing us and we stood our ground. We sent them back wounded and defeated. That sure sounds like Saddam when the gulf war was over.

Am I missing something?
 
bin laden probably just made it up to get the US off his back.

or the US doctored the tape.... it hasn't been the first time bush has lied to the people about the war with iraq
 
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
"where once again he speaks to the people of Iraq and talks about their struggle and how he is in partnership with Iraq."

That can mean a hell of a lot of things, and it's a pretty huge stretch saying that confirms any terrorist link. Everyone say it with me, prop·a·gan·da.
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Holy sh!t they just set off a nuclear bomb in NY. Oh wait, I bet it's just the Bush adminstration using propaganda.
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This tape is not even close to being evidence of an Iraq-Al-Qaeda link AFAICT.

At least it should--but probably won't--stuff a cork in those people claiming that Saddam and Osama would never subscribe to the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" school of thought because one is secular and the other fundamentalist. I think it's pretty clear they both hate America enough to form a temporary alliance.
 
Originally posted by: Bluga
Powell is trying hard to connect those two,.
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And bin Laden wants to confirm the link, even if it isn't there. He'd like nothing more than for us to invade Iraq and take out Saddam.
 
Wow that al queda "link" is weak. I'm surprised Powell referenced it as evidence. OBL has made plenty of pro-palestinian statements as well but that doesn't mean squat.
 
Originally posted by: exp
This tape is not even close to being evidence of an Iraq-Al-Qaeda link AFAICT.

At least it should--but probably won't--stuff a cork in those people claiming that Saddam and Osama would never subscribe to the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" school of thought because one is secular and the other fundamentalist. I think it's pretty clear they both hate America enough to form a temporary alliance.
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To me it would make more sense for OBL to say that they are in Alliance as to seal the fate of Saddam by way of a Western Invasion which they would use to recruit members to their cause by pointing out that the Western Infidels are trying to squash the Isalmic People. As long as Hussien or his Legacies are in power Al Qaeda will just be small time players. He could also surmise that with our attention on Iraq it might take some pressure of his operatives and maybe enable them to strike us hard again.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: exp
This tape is not even close to being evidence of an Iraq-Al-Qaeda link AFAICT.

At least it should--but probably won't--stuff a cork in those people claiming that Saddam and Osama would never subscribe to the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" school of thought because one is secular and the other fundamentalist. I think it's pretty clear they both hate America enough to form a temporary alliance.
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To me it would make more sense for OBL to say that they are in Alliance as to seal the fate of Saddam by way of a Western Invasion which they would use to recruit members to their cause by pointing out that the Western Infidels are trying to squash the Isalmic People. As long as Hussien or his Legacies are in power Al Qaeda will just be small time players. He could also surmise that with our attention on Iraq it might take some pressure of his operatives and maybe enable them to strike us hard again.
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And Bingo was his name-o.
 
Unbelievable that the administration is pushing this tape as an Al Queda-Iraq link.

Bin Laden says he's all for the fall of his Socialist regime, that Saddam is a puppet. He goes on to say that he's going to fight for the Muslim people. Can't wait to hear how Bush spins it...

THERE IS NO LINK HERE; RATHER A STATEMENT OF NO-LINK.
 
To me it would make more sense for OBL to say that they are in Alliance as to seal the fate of Saddam by way of a Western Invasion which they would use to recruit members to their cause by pointing out that the Western Infidels are trying to squash the Isalmic People. As long as Hussien or his Legacies are in power Al Qaeda will just be small time players. He could also surmise that with our attention on Iraq it might take some pressure of his operatives and maybe enable them to strike us hard again.
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Agreed. There's no question Osama *wants* the U.S. to invade Iraq, preferably while suffering huge losses and inflicting civilian casualties that can be plastered across TV screens throughout the Muslim world.

Hopefully the war will be over swiftly and the Iraqis embrace the coalition forces as liberators and not conquerors. If that happens I doubt the invasion will incite enough Muslims to overthrow the hated Arab regimes now in place, the first step towards Osama's desired fundamentalist superstate. But who knows?? Heck, Bin Laden is already well on his way to achieving some of his goals, like paralyzing the UN (a simple task) and crippling NATO (looking more simple by the day).

 
The fighting should be in the name of God only, not in the name of national ideologies, nor to seek victory for the ignorant governments that rule all Arab states, including Iraq
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And powell says this is proof of a relationship between obl and iraq? sounds to me like he just dis'd saddam.
 
Originally posted by: brtspears2
Oh well, why use a tape when video is so much more convincing? Oh yea thats right, he's probally dead.
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Um...didn't our voice analysis confirm that he's alive a couple of months ago?
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: exp
This tape is not even close to being evidence of an Iraq-Al-Qaeda link AFAICT.

At least it should--but probably won't--stuff a cork in those people claiming that Saddam and Osama would never subscribe to the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" school of thought because one is secular and the other fundamentalist. I think it's pretty clear they both hate America enough to form a temporary alliance.
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To me it would make more sense for OBL to say that they are in Alliance as to seal the fate of Saddam by way of a Western Invasion which they would use to recruit members to their cause by pointing out that the Western Infidels are trying to squash the Isalmic People. As long as Hussien or his Legacies are in power Al Qaeda will just be small time players. He could also surmise that with our attention on Iraq it might take some pressure of his operatives and maybe enable them to strike us hard again.
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http://slate.msn.com/id/2078162/
I read this a couple days ago and thought it was interesting...contradicts your theory, by the way.

Essentially, the point is that, at heart, all terrorists are cowards. But Clinton, for eight years, let the whole world know that America would always flinch first and didn't have the stomach or heart for conflict. We ran from Somalia. We allowed the Taliban to harbor terrorists who had killed hundreds of Americans. It's like the dillusional scrawny kid at school who believes the buff quarterback won't hit him so he flicks the back of his ear a few times and the quarterback gets up and moves away. The kid does it again and again and the quarterback does nothing. Other scrawny bastards start thinking they can get away with it too and begin flicking his ears and spitting at him. Had the quarterback just plain laid out the scrawny kid the first time he decided to mess with him, the quarterback wouldn't need to beat up a dozen kids later cause every kid would have known that messing with him meant quick reprisal. It doesn't take much balls to hit someone you know won't hit you back and even cowards will step up and take a shot if they really believe there will be no reprisal.

So, thank that impotent liberal hill-billy for OBL and Iraq. Observe what eight years of inaction got us then whine some more about a President who is activly trying to make the world a better place and who, except for exposing the rediculous hypocrisy and corruption of much of Europe, has succeeded.

How could a more democratic Iraq be a bad thing? It's when the entire populous is brainwashed from birth with AzizTV that they possess this irrational hatred. It's people who have never read about Martin Luther King Jr or Ghandi who think murder will get them what they want.
 
Originally posted by: ergeorge
And we trust Bin Laden?
He has all sorts of motivation to sic the US on Iraq, not the least of which is to divert resources from trying to find him and his organization.
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Hehe, seems he's in cahoots with the Iraqi people too. Maybe we should keep Saddam and just kill the Iraqi's, they are linked with Ossama after all. 😀

What if he said the "American people" instead of Iraqi? Would that prove some kind of link?
 
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: exp
This tape is not even close to being evidence of an Iraq-Al-Qaeda link AFAICT.

At least it should--but probably won't--stuff a cork in those people claiming that Saddam and Osama would never subscribe to the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" school of thought because one is secular and the other fundamentalist. I think it's pretty clear they both hate America enough to form a temporary alliance.
Click to expand...
To me it would make more sense for OBL to say that they are in Alliance as to seal the fate of Saddam by way of a Western Invasion which they would use to recruit members to their cause by pointing out that the Western Infidels are trying to squash the Isalmic People. As long as Hussien or his Legacies are in power Al Qaeda will just be small time players. He could also surmise that with our attention on Iraq it might take some pressure of his operatives and maybe enable them to strike us hard again.
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http://slate.msn.com/id/2078162/
I read this a couple days ago and thought it was interesting...contradicts your theory, by the way.

Essentially, the point is that, at heart, all terrorists are cowards. But Clinton, for eight years, let the whole world know that America would always flinch first and didn't have the stomach or heart for conflict. We ran from Somalia. We allowed the Taliban to harbor terrorists who had killed hundreds of Americans. It's like the dillusional scrawny kid at school who believes the buff quarterback won't hit him so he flicks the back of his ear a few times and the quarterback gets up and moves away. The kid does it again and again and the quarterback does nothing. Other scrawny bastards start thinking they can get away with it too and begin flicking his ears and spitting at him. Had the quarterback just plain laid out the scrawny kid the first time he decided to mess with him, the quarterback wouldn't need to beat up a dozen kids later cause every kid would have known that messing with him meant quick reprisal. It doesn't take much balls to hit someone you know won't hit you back and even cowards will step up and take a shot if they really believe there will be no reprisal.

So, thank that impotent liberal hill-billy for OBL and Iraq. Observe what eight years of inaction got us then whine some more about a President who is activly trying to make the world a better place and who, except for exposing the rediculous hypocrisy and corruption of much of Europe, has succeeded.

How could a more democratic Iraq be a bad thing? It's when the entire populous is brainwashed from birth with AzizTV that they possess this irrational hatred. It's people who have never read about Martin Luther King Jr or Ghandi who think murder will get them what they want.
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Hard to get throught the Anto Clinton Rhetoric to decipher exactly what it is that guy is trying to say and it surely doesn't contradict what I stated..well I don't think.
 
Originally posted by: outriding
bin laden probably just made it up to get the US off his back.

or the US doctored the tape.... it hasn't been the first time bush has lied to the people about the war with iraq
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Bin Laden, if anything, wants the US to attack Iraq. You'd think this would be obvious. And I certainly wouldn't be at all surprised if he pushed by process along in short order using his usual methods (actually, I'd be surprised if he didn't). Bush will, of course, act on queue and blame it on Iraq and launch the attack. Bin Laden will bless Bush for making him thousands of additional recruits. "Praise Allah!...thanks Bush!"

(alternatively, its a fake created by Bush & Company)

Here is the tape...how's your arabic?

bin Laden

 
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