Powell Expresses new Doubts About Basis for WMD claim

fjord

Senior member
Feb 18, 2004
667
0
0
Damage control campaign continues...

Link

Powell Expresses Doubts About Basis for Iraqi Weapons Claim

By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, April 3, 2004; Page A19

Secretary of State Colin L. Powell voiced new doubt yesterday on the administration's assertions of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, saying the description in his U.N. presentation of mobile biological weapons laboratories appears to have been based on faulty sources.

Powell, describing the mobile labs as "the most dramatic" element of his Feb. 5, 2003, speech before the U.N. Security Council, said he hoped the recently appointed commission to examine prewar claims of Iraqi weapons "will look into these matters to see whether or not the intelligence agency had a basis for the confidence . . . placed in the intelligence at that time." He also said he has spoken to CIA officials about how suspect information ended up in his speech.


Powell made his remarks in response to a question as he briefed reporters on his plane about meetings yesterday at NATO headquarters in Brussels. Powell, who returned to Washington last night, in the past had stressed that all of the facts about Iraq's weapons programs are not known, but Iraq's intentions were clear, and it was necessary to wait for the final report of the inspection team.


Powell's 90-minute presentation had offered an overview of U.S. intelligence about alleged Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, as the Bush administration was struggling to win approval of a U.N. resolution authorizing military action against Iraq. In his speech, Powell provided extensive descriptions of the biological weapons labs. He also displayed an illustration of a mobile lab that he said was based on an eyewitness account. Powell stressed that the information on the weapons labs was based on multiple sources.


But since Saddam Hussein's government was deposed, weapons inspectors in Iraq appear to have found little evidence of such labs, though they did find two trucks that some experts believe were used for producing hydrogen for artillery weather balloons. As recently as January, Vice President Cheney cited the discovery of the trucks as "conclusive" evidence of the mobile labs described by Powell. But CIA Director George J. Tenet later told Congress he warned the vice president not to be so categorical about the discovery.


Moreover, in recent weeks news organizations have reported that one of the sources cited by Powell had been cited by U.S. intelligence officials as unreliable even before his presentation. The warning, however, was missed during the preparation of Powell's speech. Another source, who provided the eyewitness description of the labs, had never been interviewed by U.S. intelligence -- which did not even know his real name until after the war, according to a report in the Los Angeles Times. After Powell's speech, it also was learned that this source was a relative of a senior official in the Iraqi National Congress, an émigré group that was considered by some U.S. intelligence officials to be a provider of dubious information about Iraq's weapons programs.


"Now it appears not to be the case that it was that solid," Powell said yesterday. "But at the time I was preparing that presentation it was presented to me as being solid."


Powell, who asked Tenet to sit behind him during the speech to demonstrate CIA backing for the facts cited in it, stressed yesterday that "I'm not the intelligence community." He said that "it was presented to me in the preparation of that as the best intelligence and information that we had."


"I made sure, as I said in my presentation, these were multi-sourced," Powell said. "And that was the most dramatic of them, and I made sure it was multi-sourced. Now, if the sources fell apart, then we need to find out how we've gotten ourselves in that position. I've had discussions with the CIA about it."


© 2004 The Washington Post Company. Fair use.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
74,915
6,792
126
Yup, just a minor slip up and five hundred plus American soldiers are dead never to live again while the butt heads that erred go on as if they shouldn't be helo accountable. Then there are the untold thousands of Iraqi dead. Those F'tards cooked the books for a New American century. The WMD were just an excuse for war, they had no desire to know the truth.
 

classy

Lifer
Oct 12, 1999
15,219
1
81
This is a shame. I don't think this is a huge surprise. I mean after all we haven't found a thing yet. The only question is where do we go from here? What is in the best interest of our country? I said it before the only people to benefit from this war was Haliburton :disgust:
 

Romans828

Banned
Feb 14, 2004
525
0
0
Why dont you let history decide if our soldiers lives are/were in vain. This is so much more to learn it could take decades to fully appreciate the impact of the present day events.

And dont forget about what has possibly been prevented, Saddam (and his sons-future rulers) gone IS A VERY GOOD THING.

I dont think its fair for you to decide what price is fair.
 

Orsorum

Lifer
Dec 26, 2001
27,631
5
81
Originally posted by: Romans828
Why dont you let history decide if our soldiers lives are/were in vain. This is so much more to learn it could take decades to fully appreciate the impact of the present day events.

And dont forget about what has possibly been prevented, Saddam (and his sons-future rulers) gone IS A VERY GOOD THING.

I dont think its fair for you to decide what price is fair.

As a taxpayer, an American citizen, and a human being you bet I'll decide what's "fair".

Let me ask you a question: do you know anyone who's gone over to Iraq to fight?

Second question: do you know anyone who's died?
 

fjord

Senior member
Feb 18, 2004
667
0
0
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Romans828
Why dont you let history decide if our soldiers lives are/were in vain. This is so much more to learn it could take decades to fully appreciate the impact of the present day events.

And dont forget about what has possibly been prevented, Saddam (and his sons-future rulers) gone IS A VERY GOOD THING.

I dont think its fair for you to decide what price is fair.

As a taxpayer, an American citizen, and a human being you bet I'll decide what's "fair".

Let me ask you a question: do you know anyone who's gone over to Iraq to fight?

Second question: do you know anyone who's died?

Agreed.

Its my job as a citizen to be informed and make judgements as to the performance of my government.

Government (and their authority to make policy and act in my name) comes from the consent of the governed.

We citizens are responsible for the policies and actions of our representative (?) government.

That is what many don't get. Ultimately, Its not Bush's fault, not Rumsfeld, not Powell---its our (read my) fault.

We acquiesced, or looked the other way, or were indifferent, or disagreed with the policy, but let it happen anyway.

Our job is to be aware -- there can be no secrets in democracy.



 

Steeplerot

Lifer
Mar 29, 2004
13,051
6
81
Not fair for rich jerks in power to decide who of my friends should die knowing they didn't have their facts straight.
It is a shameful time to be an American.
 

Tripleshot

Elite Member
Jan 29, 2000
7,218
1
0
Originally posted by: steeplerot
Not fair for rich jerks in power to decide who of my friends should die knowing they didn't have their facts straight.
It is a shameful time to be an American.

I disagree. It's never shameful to be an American. Its only shameful to be the lieing POS President of America today. I am proud to be an American, and have and will always defend the honor of my fellow countrymen. It is this administration that is shameful. And its the people who support him and his administration that is shameful.

 

leeboy

Banned
Dec 8, 2003
451
0
0
Originally posted by: Romans828
Why dont you let history decide if our soldiers lives are/were in vain. This is so much more to learn it could take decades to fully appreciate the impact of the present day events.

And dont forget about what has possibly been prevented, Saddam (and his sons-future rulers) gone IS A VERY GOOD THING.

I dont think its fair for you to decide what price is fair.

No, how about I decide that my sons life was lost in vain RIGHT NOW. Don't need your permission and could care less how fair you think it is. Typical sheep.

 

Tab

Lifer
Sep 15, 2002
12,145
0
76
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Romans828
Why dont you let history decide if our soldiers lives are/were in vain. This is so much more to learn it could take decades to fully appreciate the impact of the present day events.

And dont forget about what has possibly been prevented, Saddam (and his sons-future rulers) gone IS A VERY GOOD THING.

I dont think its fair for you to decide what price is fair.

As a taxpayer, an American citizen, and a human being you bet I'll decide what's "fair".

Let me ask you a question: do you know anyone who's gone over to Iraq to fight?

Second question: do you know anyone who's died?

Yes, I do.

Yes, I do.

Was it worth it? Yes, it was and he would have thought the same.
 

classy

Lifer
Oct 12, 1999
15,219
1
81
Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Originally posted by: steeplerot
Not fair for rich jerks in power to decide who of my friends should die knowing they didn't have their facts straight.
It is a shameful time to be an American.

I disagree. It's never shameful to be an American. Its only shameful to be the lieing POS President of America today. I am proud to be an American, and have and will always defend the honor of my fellow countrymen. It is this administration that is shameful. And its the people who support him and his administration that is shameful.

TS I'm right there with you. This war was trumped up from the very beginning. It went from WMD's, which everyday that goes by looks more and more like a blatant lie, to freeing the Iraqi people
rolleye.gif
. Nothing but flip flopping all over. I am not a republican although I have voted republican before and will do so it looks like in the next governor's race here in NJ, but what this party has done is an absolute disgrace. This was about making few fat and happy and lying to the rest of America. When I think of this latest piece of news it makes the joke President Bush made a few days ago of looking for WMDs even more disgusting. If it is discovered that these reports were faked by this Adminstration, Bush should be impeached and charges should be brought up on some. And this time we should make sure we don't have a repeat of what Bush Sr. did in pardoning those including himself in the Iran Contra mess.
 

classy

Lifer
Oct 12, 1999
15,219
1
81
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Romans828
Why dont you let history decide if our soldiers lives are/were in vain. This is so much more to learn it could take decades to fully appreciate the impact of the present day events.

And dont forget about what has possibly been prevented, Saddam (and his sons-future rulers) gone IS A VERY GOOD THING.

I dont think its fair for you to decide what price is fair.

As a taxpayer, an American citizen, and a human being you bet I'll decide what's "fair".

Let me ask you a question: do you know anyone who's gone over to Iraq to fight?

Second question: do you know anyone who's died?

Yes, I do.

Yes, I do.

Was it worth it? Yes, it was and he would have thought the same.

What a joke. How in the hell can you speak on behalf of a dead man? Like you really know how he felt at his time of death. He was on the other side of the world and your sitting here typing nonsense on a computer. People like you make me laugh. You throw out your sloppy opinion like its got some kind of valid proof. Even if what you say was true, which I doubt, do think he would give his life for a lie? Your an idiot.

 

StormRider

Diamond Member
Mar 12, 2000
8,324
2
0
Do you guys really believe that Bush lied about WMDs or that he was just wrong on it?

To me if he lied then he would have tried to produce fake WMDs to cover up his lies. And he hasn't done that. To me this indicates that Bush probably *did* believe there was WMDs in Iraq. He was just wrong -- so you could accuse him of stupidity but not really lying. And you could accuse him of stupidity again for trying to "spin doctor" it and instead of just saying, "Oops, it looks like I was wrong -- my bad. Sorry.". Why can't countries and people just say, "I'm sorry"?

Last night I was listening to NPR Radio and they had this really interesting piece. They talked about what other countries secret intelligence agencies thought about Iraq's WMD prior to the 2nd war.

According to them, Germany's secret agency thought Iraq had an active nuclear program. France's did not. Israel's secret agency vastly overestimated Saddam's weapons. Same with ours. We also vastly underestimated Saddam's programs during the 1st Gulf War. We were shocked by how advanced some of his weapons programs were after the 1st war. And that was probably one of the reasons we overestimated for this war. Remember how in the beginnng of the 2nd war we were all afraid of Saddam unleashing chemical weapons on our soldiers? But it never happened.

Anyways, practically all the agencies thought Saddam was up to no good and did have some sort of WMD programs -- mainly because Saddam acted like he was trying to hide something. But they didn't think it was an immenient threat. But Bush Jr. did -- probably because 9/11 affected his thinking.

None of the other agencies thought there was a link between Saddam and Al-Qaeda (which would have been stupid because Al-Qaeda hated Saddam because he was too secular). I think Saddam's assination attempt on Bush Sr. had some affect on Bush Jr in this regard.
 

StormRider

Diamond Member
Mar 12, 2000
8,324
2
0
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Romans828
Why dont you let history decide if our soldiers lives are/were in vain. This is so much more to learn it could take decades to fully appreciate the impact of the present day events.

And dont forget about what has possibly been prevented, Saddam (and his sons-future rulers) gone IS A VERY GOOD THING.

I dont think its fair for you to decide what price is fair.

As a taxpayer, an American citizen, and a human being you bet I'll decide what's "fair".

Let me ask you a question: do you know anyone who's gone over to Iraq to fight?

Second question: do you know anyone who's died?

Yes, I do.

Yes, I do.

Was it worth it? Yes, it was and he would have thought the same.

What a joke. How in the hell can you speak on behalf of a dead man? Like you really know how he felt at his time of death. He was on the other side of the world and your sitting here typing nonsense on a computer. People like you make me laugh. You throw out your sloppy opinion like its got some kind of valid proof. Even if what you say was true, which I doubt, do think he would give his life for a lie? Your an idiot.

Classy,

Maybe the guy was a friend and they communicated before his death. Maybe his friend told him he thought they were doing the right thing?