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yoda291

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Originally posted by: adlep
Yoda291- I like your resume a lot...
Question: How do you covert Word documents to .pdfs?
Is there any freeware converter I can use to .doc to .pdf?

I mean, I know that Acrobat will do it for me, but I can not afford it...?

I own acrobat 5(through a sweet deal I used to have at previous place of employment) and if you like, you can email me you resume and I'll convert and host it.

other friends of mine swear by pdf995. You can try that.
 

yoda291

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I guess I'll put in my general comments for everyone while I'm here. They don't apply across the board, but would help to be read. If you disagree with any comments I make...I don't care:


1.)Your layouts are unplanned and very cluttered looking. They do not have anywhere near enough content, nor should they, to justify the cluttered chaos that emerges.

As it stands now, your resume's visual impact looks like this :

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if you notice, everything is smushed into the left with white borders all around. The border will draw the eye to the center, but since you have all the whitespace bleeding in from the right, it completely kills ANY focal point you may have. Also, your qualifications and headers are all bunched up together and look damn similar to each other. Plus your font is very small. Take this rule of thumb, if it takes me more than 2.5 seconds to get an idea of who this is, it goes in the discard pile. Especially in a general resume that sits in a stack of hundreds to thousands of other resumes. Also, many times, resumes will get handed to techs to double check the qualifications. If the tech has to search for terms like asp or php coding experience, it's gonna hurt you. I like to think of it as a web page layout instead of a document layout. Try and go for something symmetrical....at the very least, symmetry takes advantage of the fact that humans are subconscously drawn to symmetry. Instead of having bleeding and wasted whitespace ruin your focal point, take out the borders a bit and put padding between the sections of your resume. Look at AT for an example. Each post is its own focal point. They are all seperated by small white lines. Would it be impossible or even time consuming to have them all bleed into each other? No, but something so insignificant as little white lines does wonders for organizing the page in your mind because it's the contrast. Likewise, there should be breaks between sections in the resume so that the absence of text creates a contrast...like as follows:

############
############
############

############
############
############

############
############
############

If it helps, think of it this way, what do you feel if you stare at endless lines of random text? How about random text that juts out of the left? You prolly won't wanna read it. Or...imagine this post without line breaks between the numbered items.

2.) Paragraph format is bad. Bullet format is good.
Paragraph format is very hard to read on a resume. Why? Because your resume should not really have sentences nor a theme nor a single cohesive thought behind it. It is a summation of who you are, but it is not you in your entirety. Hence, while comma delimited is the preferred choice for scannable resumes, you want to something quick and concise. Don't dilly dally with opions or sentences. Also concise is always > detail. You waste valuable page space and unnecessarily clutter things up. Take this example:


I went to work every day and used my favorite 12 inch knife to gut trout. Then I'd carry them over to the assembly line and haul the bucket up to the belt. Then I'd go back to get some fluke and do the same.
vs
-Used 12 inch knife to gut trout
-delivered guts to conveyor belt
-Handled 2 different types of fish.


The second relays the idea much more quickly with much less clutter and is much easier to format into a layout.

3.) DON'T USE TEMPLATES. It makes you look lazy. If you think an employer can't ID a templated resume from a mile away, you're sadly mistaken. This is the VERY FIRST impression you are giving and the impression a template gives is laziness(exception being the cover letter). Heck, that's what templates were created for...to lessen effort. It makes it look like you lack even basic computing knowledge or any inclination for design. Plus, the MS word template IS HORRIBLE in terms of layout. It's almost like they designed it to be ugly. If I ever use the MS word template, I'd better have a triple CCIE and 40+ yrs of experience to back it. I know every resume that used an easily identifiable/widely used template was immediately scrutinized and held with suspicion. i've done it...and I know several hr depts that are guilty of it too.

4.) the American eye goes top-down left-right. So if you want to start a new section, put bold or underline or SOME emphasis on the leftmost region. If you're applying to an asian company, it goes right-left. This happens after a centered contrast tho. So, for instance, a centered title will garner a very slight amount more attention than a left justified title, but an inline title merely kills any focal point around it.

5.) convert your resume to pdf or jpg or ANYTHING but word. Why? because MS can't keep formatting constant between different versions of word. God forbid you apply somewhere that uses wordperfect or wordpro or ANY unix shop. A pdf is DESIGNED to look the same regardless. An image is DESIGNED to look the same always. A Document is not. What would be the point of creating a proper, aesthetic layout if the employer's software screws it up for you?

GTAudiophile has a good resume for a left justified layout.

Personally, I'd like more credentials on mine, but I'd need a job first, which I need to get with my credential less resume. It's like a circular dependency which reminds me of red hat...the darkest day of my OS life.
 

damiano

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May 29, 2002
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Originally posted by: adlep
Damiano - very nice!
No one is hiring, but the thread might help somebody with preparing a good resume..

thank you
as I said in the emplyement thread above, I am lloking for a non paid intern for this summer if anyone of you guys want to get some expereince in network security
 

adlep

Diamond Member
Mar 25, 2001
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I guess I'll put in my general comments for everyone while I'm here. They don't apply across the board, but would help to be read. If you disagree with any comments I make...I don't care:


1.)Your layouts are unplanned and very cluttered looking. They do not have anywhere near enough content, nor should they, to justify the cluttered chaos that emerges.

As it stands now, your resume's visual impact looks like this :

###
#######
##
#######
#####
#######
#######


if you notice, everything is smushed into the left with white borders all around. The border will draw the eye to the center, but since you have all the whitespace bleeding in from the right, it completely kills ANY focal point you may have. Also, your qualifications and headers are all bunched up together and look damn similar to each other. Plus your font is very small. Take this rule of thumb, if it takes me more than 2.5 seconds to get an idea of who this is, it goes in the discard pile. Especially in a general resume that sits in a stack of hundreds to thousands of other resumes. Also, many times, resumes will get handed to techs to double check the qualifications. If the tech has to search for terms like asp or php coding experience, it's gonna hurt you. I like to think of it as a web page layout instead of a document layout. Try and go for something symmetrical....at the very least, symmetry takes advantage of the fact that humans are subconscously drawn to symmetry. Instead of having bleeding and wasted whitespace ruin your focal point, take out the borders a bit and put padding between the sections of your resume. Look at AT for an example. Each post is its own focal point. They are all seperated by small white lines. Would it be impossible or even time consuming to have them all bleed into each other? No, but something so insignificant as little white lines does wonders for organizing the page in your mind because it's the contrast. Likewise, there should be breaks between sections in the resume so that the absence of text creates a contrast...like as follows:

############
############
############

############
############
############

############
############
############

If it helps, think of it this way, what do you feel if you stare at endless lines of random text? How about random text that juts out of the left? You prolly won't wanna read it. Or...imagine this post without line breaks between the numbered items.

2.) Paragraph format is bad. Bullet format is good.
Paragraph format is very hard to read on a resume. Why? Because your resume should not really have sentences nor a theme nor a single cohesive thought behind it. It is a summation of who you are, but it is not you in your entirety. Hence, while comma delimited is the preferred choice for scannable resumes, you want to something quick and concise. Don't dilly dally with opions or sentences. Also concise is always > detail. You waste valuable page space and unnecessarily clutter things up. Take this example:


I went to work every day and used my favorite 12 inch knife to gut trout. Then I'd carry them over to the assembly line and haul the bucket up to the belt. Then I'd go back to get some fluke and do the same.
vs
-Used 12 inch knife to gut trout
-delivered guts to conveyor belt
-Handled 2 different types of fish.


The second relays the idea much more quickly with much less clutter and is much easier to format into a layout.

3.) DON'T USE TEMPLATES. It makes you look lazy. If you think an employer can't ID a templated resume from a mile away, you're sadly mistaken. This is the VERY FIRST impression you are giving and the impression a template gives is laziness(exception being the cover letter). Heck, that's what templates were created for...to lessen effort. It makes it look like you lack even basic computing knowledge or any inclination for design. Plus, the MS word template IS HORRIBLE in terms of layout. It's almost like they designed it to be ugly. If I ever use the MS word template, I'd better have a triple CCIE and 40+ yrs of experience to back it. I know every resume that used an easily identifiable/widely used template was immediately scrutinized and held with suspicion. i've done it...and I know several hr depts that are guilty of it too.

4.) the American eye goes top-down left-right. So if you want to start a new section, put bold or underline or SOME emphasis on the leftmost region. If you're applying to an asian company, it goes right-left. This happens after a centered contrast tho. So, for instance, a centered title will garner a very slight amount more attention than a left justified title, but an inline title merely kills any focal point around it.

5.) convert your resume to pdf or jpg or ANYTHING but word. Why? because MS can't keep formatting constant between different versions of word. God forbid you apply somewhere that uses wordperfect or wordpro or ANY unix shop. A pdf is DESIGNED to look the same regardless. An image is DESIGNED to look the same always. A Document is not. What would be the point of creating a proper, aesthetic layout if the employer's software screws it up for you?

GTAudiophile has a good resume for a left justified layout.

Personally, I'd like more credentials on mine, but I'd need a job first, which I need to get with my credential less resume. It's like a circular dependency which reminds me of red hat...the darkest day of my OS life.

I agree with your comments, but I hope that you are not talking about my resume....
I didnt use template to make it. :eek:
Edit: My resume is converted to .pdf thanks to pdf995
Edit: I am suspicious because there seems to be No catch with pdf995, I mean it only loads an add page, which can be closed right away... I really hope it is not a savenow type of a spyware...
 

RobCom

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Aug 14, 2000
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if its not too much trouble please take a look at my resume... bring it all out..let me know my good points and the bads....

Heres the link

My Resume
 

adlep

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Mar 25, 2001
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borealiss
A lot of skills, but I would change the font, and stick to a uniform lenght of the line...
Also, allign everything to the left, I mean the categories..
Overall very good!
Lets keep this thread alive folks!

 

adlep

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Mar 25, 2001
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abaez
You resume is nice, but I would consider using a smaller font and single space formating.
 

adlep

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Mar 25, 2001
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xchangx
take off your address and the phone number off this sample...
I like it...
How about the others?
 

xchangx

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Mar 23, 2000
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Can't it's hosted on our dept website. Doesn't bother me if it's on there. I've moved anyhow so the address is wrong.