Post Your Assault Weapon Pics

[MisterJackson]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
My brothers M4..... Yes, it's a sh1tty scope, I know. But that b1tch sure is fun to fire.

First, and only since, full auto weapon I've ever shot.

The first time I went with him I brought a girlfriend who, turns out, she hated guns. She had a blast though, and no one in her family believed she did it!

Pics from that days shoot.

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What are those dents in the power supply? Let me guess, .223 fired from the M4 that got stopped by cheap sheet metal? I rest my case (see previous post)

That or it's hard to make out the hole in the center, and the surrounding dents are secondary projectiles that were liberated from the power supply PCB 😀

That PC took shots from my son with a .22 rifle as well that day. I can't say for sure, but that's likely what that's from.

As for the sight, well, my brother got that free of charge and just slapped it on the day he got that weapon. He's since upgraded, but I don't have current pics.

My brother is a cop on a "rapid response team" (wanna be swat I call him 😉), so the gun was free.

 

[crt1530]

Originally posted by: Vonkhan

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: exdeath
What's with all the M4s and carbines? The 556 needs all the barrel/velocity it can get in order for it's effectiveness to be disproportional to its caliber size.

Man up and get a full length rifle next time 😉

Because I dont really shoot past 100 yards with mine. If I was sniping critters, then sure I'd get a longer barrel, but I'm not.

I consistently hit coyotes with my m4 out to 250-300 yards, its not that hard.

The main purpose of my M4 is to help me fight my way back to my M1a if we get separated. 😀

What about the .50 BMG Barrett?

Psychological warfare 😀

Actually, the guy that I bought it from shot a coyote with his newer AR-50, at about 650 yards or so. One hell of a shot.

Mostly I shoot 55gallon steel drums with mine, set out to around 800-1200 yards, depending on where I am shooting.

I reload the ammo for it, but even then it is expensive enough that I do not shoot it nearly as often as I would like.

was the coyote a threat to him?

South Park: "It's coming right for us!"

 

[BurnItDwn]

All I got is a S&W Model 686p 7 shot 357mag with a 6" barrel.
It is no assault weapon, but it sure is fun as hell to take to the range.

 

[MisterJackson]

Actually, after looking at that power supply damage pic more I can't really say what caused that. We didn't shoot that thing from the other side there, so I'm not sure what that damage is from.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Out of curiosity, what state are you in, and do they have any regulations as to the maximum size clip you can legally use?

Minnesota, and I'm not aware of any regulation on clip size. I don't think there is one anymore now that the assault weapons ban law expired. It used to be 10 when it was in effect. I could probably have a 200 round drum plugged into the gun if I desired.

Magazine, not clip. And yes, a 100 round drum is legal.

We've always called them "clips". But that might just be a regional thing like how some people call soda "pop".

i call em clips too. my dad, the gun nut, always corrects me and says "magazine". so around himm i say mag or magazine.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: adairusmc


2 old SKS's

the one on the right is pretty much identical to what i have, but mine has the spike still. i like the scope with the biped set up on the other one, pretty neeto keen. i got my composite stock and folder right before they banned the folding stocks, but for almost a year after all the composite stocks you could find were the original folders with a screw set into the hinge to keep it from folding. a screwdriver and a new pin was all you needed to make it fold again hehe.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: exdeath
What's with all the M4s and carbines? The 556 needs all the barrel/velocity it can get in order for it's effectiveness to be disproportional to its caliber size.

Man up and get a full length rifle next time 😉

Because I dont really shoot past 100 yards with mine. If I was sniping critters, then sure I'd get a longer barrel, but I'm not.

I consistently hit coyotes with my m4 out to 250-300 yards, its not that hard.

The main purpose of my M4 is to help me fight my way back to my M1a if we get separated. 😀

M14 now we're talking!

Though a 5.56x45mm at 300 yds out of 14.5" barrel is much less gruesome (read: effective) than out of a 20" barrel even with NATO loads. Critical impact velocity for disproportionate wounding effects is about 2,700 fps with standard M855 or M193 ammo. Personally I prefer slower twist rates and longer barrels with 55gr canelured bullets when lethality is required, in absence of the choice of 7.62x51mm of course. 1:7 twist with 62 gr M855 'green tip' just doesn't cut it.

What is the terminal effect on a coyote at 300 yards from your shorty? Do you just get a .22 cal bullet hole or do you still have explosive 10" exit wounds? Experience tells me the former is more likely, though I've never shot coyotes in particular. It may not make a difference with smaller less dense animals, but it means life or death with larger more dense 'animals'.

Well, I use V-Max or Nosler Ballistic Tips for my coyote shooting, and they are devastating at that range. Of course, the nylon tip of that bullet is designed to fragment the bullet on impact. It all depends on the bullet.

I never use Full Metal Jacket loads for stuff like that, those are mainly for plinking around.

 

[hanoverphist]

all this talk of the regs and laws reminds me that i havent even looked up the new stuff regarding rifles and mag size. anyone have a good link to a site that outlines laws for the states?

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Well, I use V-Max or Nosler Ballistic Tips for my coyote shooting, and they are devastating at that range. Of course, the nylon tip of that bullet is designed to fragment the bullet on impact. It all depends on the bullet.

I never use Full Metal Jacket loads for stuff like that, those are mainly for plinking around.

Unfortunately those in the military don't have that option... it's no wonder AKs and G3s picked up from the enemy are preferred. If you have to use ball ammo, bigger is always better. Though a pocket knife on the tip of a 556 works wonders in fixing that. Geneva convention be damned when my life is on the line, esp. when the other side isn't expected to adhere. It's quicker and more humane than poking holes in them, and more importantly, it's harder to fire back with an AK when there is a 10" chuck of meat missing from your shoulder.

The nylon tip isn't designed to fragment, it just allows the bullet to behave like a hollow point on impact while retaining the in flight ballistic profile of ball ammo. Hollow point on the 556 always implies fragmentation since there isn't enough bullet to mushroom and stay whole.

It also protects the rounds in the magazine from having their tips deformed from severe recoil with larger calibers, and allows pointed ball ammo to be used safely in rifles with tubular magazines where a hard tip would otherwise impact the primer of the next round.

Anyhow in your case, a hollow point 556 is pretty much going to fragment at any velocity. With ball ammo you are relying on the shear stresses to tear the jacked bullet apart at the canelure as the bullet rotates 90 degs from it's flight path. Heavy end of any moving object has the most inertia and will be less effected by drag than the lighter end when moving through a medium, thus causing a net torque that causes the bullet to rotate 180 deg and exit heavy end first. A tiny 556 ball bullet with a weak jacket and canelure crimp and hitting at 2700+ fps cannot support the internal forces necessary to hold the bullet together as its flying through the target at 90 degs, so it breaks apart and microperforates the tissue; tears a chunk of meat out at the dotted line if you will.

Thats really the only thing that allows that .223 cal bullet to achieve the incredible wounding potential that it does (anyone whos used one has probably seen the unexpected and completely disproportinate size of the exit wound compared to other calibers).

Use ball ammo and a short barrel and you are basically going into combat with a .22 LR that merely pokes the enemy with .22" holes.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Well, I use V-Max or Nosler Ballistic Tips for my coyote shooting, and they are devastating at that range. Of course, the nylon tip of that bullet is designed to fragment the bullet on impact. It all depends on the bullet.

I never use Full Metal Jacket loads for stuff like that, those are mainly for plinking around.

The nylon tip isn't designed to fragment, it just allows the bullet to behave like a hollow point on impact while retaining the in flight ballistic profile of ball ammo. Hollow point on the 556 always implies fragmentation since there isn't enough bullet to mushroom and stay whole.

It also protects the rounds in the magazine from having their tips deformed from severe recoil with larger calibers, and allows pointed ball ammo to be used safely in rifles with tubular magazines where a hard tip would otherwise impact the primer of the next round.

Wrong. nylon or plastic tipped bullets such as the vmax or the nosler ballistic tip have a huge gaping hollow point, filled with the plastic material (usually polycarbonate). The plastic tip facilitates expansion as it drives back through the gaping hollow point, upon impact. This causes the small bullet to fragment, causing much more damage. They dont behave like a hollow point, as the impact of that tip causes expansion above and beyond what a hollowpoint of the same caliber and weight could achieve.

You also do not want to use them in a tubular magazine, they most definitely can impact a primer enough to set it off. Flat-nose are still required in any tubular magazine rifle.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Well, I use V-Max or Nosler Ballistic Tips for my coyote shooting, and they are devastating at that range. Of course, the nylon tip of that bullet is designed to fragment the bullet on impact. It all depends on the bullet.

I never use Full Metal Jacket loads for stuff like that, those are mainly for plinking around.

The nylon tip isn't designed to fragment, it just allows the bullet to behave like a hollow point on impact while retaining the in flight ballistic profile of ball ammo. Hollow point on the 556 always implies fragmentation since there isn't enough bullet to mushroom and stay whole.

It also protects the rounds in the magazine from having their tips deformed from severe recoil with larger calibers, and allows pointed ball ammo to be used safely in rifles with tubular magazines where a hard tip would otherwise impact the primer of the next round.

Wrong. nylon or plastic tipped bullets such as the vmax or the nosler ballistic tip have a huge gaping hollow point, filled with the plastic material (usually polycarbonate). The plastic tip facilitates expansion as it drives back through the gaping hollow point, upon impact. This causes the small bullet to fragment, causing much more damage. They dont behave like a hollow point, as the impact of that tip causes expansion above and beyond what a hollowpoint of the same caliber and weight could achieve.

You also do not want to use them in a tubular magazine, they most definitely can impact a primer enough to set it off. Flat-nose are still required in any tubular magazine rifle.

There is no such polycarbonate in my Nosler .300 win mag bullets. It's just a soft plug sitting over what is otherwise a hollow point. The rounds come out looking like mushroomed hollow points, the intended effect. But that is because there is enough bullet to fold back and still stay together. A 556 on the other hand is so tiny that any mushroom effect is basically going to tear the bullet apart. The fragmentation effect is a side effect attributed to using a light bullet, and will happen on a ballistic tip or a hollow point if the bullet is too light or the jacket is too weak.

Of course there are different bullet designs, and lead hardness and jacket hardness are both taken into account when designing these kinds of bullets with specific behaviors. But in my experiences, fragmentation of ballistic tip bullets is directly associated with having a weak light weight bullet and not directly due to any function of the ballistic tip itself.

Also forgot to mention the other benefit of a composite bullet (ie: plastic tips) in shifting the mass of the bullet around where you want it for the desired properties.

But the primary application is achieving the expansion properties of a hollow point while retaining the ballistic coefficient of ball ammo (hence the term 'ballistic tip). Ever see a hollow point .308 that looks like a hollow point pistol cartridge? No, rifle hollow points are spitzer designs with the smallest possible pin hole of an opening. Not very effective as a hollow point, but a necessary compromise, because a large gaping hollow point opening is counter productive at rifle velocities at 3000+ fps. The ballistic tip allows for that large gaping hollow point without undermining the ballistics of the round in flight at high velocities. Hence, "ballistic tip" and not "fragmenting tip"

All that aside, I seem to remember the original reason was simply to address the issue of rounds being deformed in the magazine due to recoil in higher powered rounds.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Well, I use V-Max or Nosler Ballistic Tips for my coyote shooting, and they are devastating at that range. Of course, the nylon tip of that bullet is designed to fragment the bullet on impact. It all depends on the bullet.

I never use Full Metal Jacket loads for stuff like that, those are mainly for plinking around.

The nylon tip isn't designed to fragment, it just allows the bullet to behave like a hollow point on impact while retaining the in flight ballistic profile of ball ammo. Hollow point on the 556 always implies fragmentation since there isn't enough bullet to mushroom and stay whole.

It also protects the rounds in the magazine from having their tips deformed from severe recoil with larger calibers, and allows pointed ball ammo to be used safely in rifles with tubular magazines where a hard tip would otherwise impact the primer of the next round.

Wrong. nylon or plastic tipped bullets such as the vmax or the nosler ballistic tip have a huge gaping hollow point, filled with the plastic material (usually polycarbonate). The plastic tip facilitates expansion as it drives back through the gaping hollow point, upon impact. This causes the small bullet to fragment, causing much more damage. They dont behave like a hollow point, as the impact of that tip causes expansion above and beyond what a hollowpoint of the same caliber and weight could achieve.

You also do not want to use them in a tubular magazine, they most definitely can impact a primer enough to set it off. Flat-nose are still required in any tubular magazine rifle.

There is no such polycarbonate in my Nosler .300 win mag bullets.

Sorry, but if you are indeed shooting Ballistic Tips or Accubond bullets, it IS IN FACT a polycarbonate tip. I worked for Nosler briefly a few years ago, and my brother in law still does. It is most definately a polycarbonate tip, and the design has party to do with what you said, and also what I describe.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: Vonkhan

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: exdeath
What's with all the M4s and carbines? The 556 needs all the barrel/velocity it can get in order for it's effectiveness to be disproportional to its caliber size.

Man up and get a full length rifle next time 😉

Because I dont really shoot past 100 yards with mine. If I was sniping critters, then sure I'd get a longer barrel, but I'm not.

I consistently hit coyotes with my m4 out to 250-300 yards, its not that hard.

The main purpose of my M4 is to help me fight my way back to my M1a if we get separated. 😀

What about the .50 BMG Barrett?

Psychological warfare 😀

Actually, the guy that I bought it from shot a coyote with his newer AR-50, at about 650 yards or so. One hell of a shot.

Mostly I shoot 55gallon steel drums with mine, set out to around 800-1200 yards, depending on where I am shooting.

I reload the ammo for it, but even then it is expensive enough that I do not shoot it nearly as often as I would like.

was the coyote a threat to him?

South Park: "It's coming right for us!"

Beat me to it.

 

[ksaajasto]

Originally posted by: Flyback
Assault weapons eh?


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I like that... thats pretty funny, i mean deadly
KS

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
All I got is a S&W Model 686p 7 shot 357mag with a 6" barrel.
It is no assault weapon, but it sure is fun as hell to take to the range.

I was looking into getting the exact same revolver. Looks like a great piece.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
All I got is a S&W Model 686p 7 shot 357mag with a 6" barrel.
It is no assault weapon, but it sure is fun as hell to take to the range.

I was looking into getting the exact same revolver. Looks like a great piece.

S&W 686 is awesome. Next best thing to a Python. Mmmm love that oily *snick snick* of the hammer being cocked and the cylinder rotating.

Ruger SP101 is also a nice compact revolver (5 shot .357) that makes a great CCW piece.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
All I got is a S&W Model 686p 7 shot 357mag with a 6" barrel.
It is no assault weapon, but it sure is fun as hell to take to the range.

I was looking into getting the exact same revolver. Looks like a great piece.

S&W 686 is awesome. Next best thing to a Python. Mmmm love that oily *snick snick* of the hammer being cocked and the cylinder rotating.

Ruger SP101 is also a nice compact revolver (5 shot .357) that makes a great CCW piece.

Any S&W is awesome.

I love my two S&W revolvers. One is a 4" 500 S&W, and the other is an 8 1/2 .460 S&W.

The .460 is even in my bug out kit, since it will take .45 LC. .454 Casull, and .460S&W -

Bug Out Box

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
All I got is a S&W Model 686p 7 shot 357mag with a 6" barrel.
It is no assault weapon, but it sure is fun as hell to take to the range.

I was looking into getting the exact same revolver. Looks like a great piece.

S&W 686 is awesome. Next best thing to a Python. Mmmm love that oily *snick snick* of the hammer being cocked and the cylinder rotating.

Ruger SP101 is also a nice compact revolver (5 shot .357) that makes a great CCW piece.

Any S&W is awesome.

I love my two S&W revolvers. One is a 4" 500 S&W, and the other is an 8 1/2 .460 S&W.

The .460 is even in my bug out kit, since it will take .45 LC. .454 Casull, and .460S&W -

Bug Out Box

Awesome, love the zombie guide too 😉

I too need to get me a PB9108L... I loves me a plain jane 1911 without all the serrated railed and skeletonized accessorized junk.

 

[MiniDoom]

is this AR15.com or Anandtech?😀

 

[upsciLLion]

Originally posted by: exdeath
S&W 686 is awesome. Next best thing to a Python. Mmmm love that oily *snick snick* of the hammer being cocked and the cylinder rotating.

Ruger SP101 is also a nice compact revolver (5 shot .357) that makes a great CCW piece.

Did somebody say Python?

 

[MiniDoom]

Originally posted by: upsciLLion

Originally posted by: exdeath
S&W 686 is awesome. Next best thing to a Python. Mmmm love that oily *snick snick* of the hammer being cocked and the cylinder rotating.

Ruger SP101 is also a nice compact revolver (5 shot .357) that makes a great CCW piece.

Did somebody say Python?

I think I heard Ruger SP101😉

 

[fatpat268]

just out of curiosity, how much are these m4's and other rifles costing you guys?

Looks like an expensive hobby. I probably can't afford any, I'm knee deep in student loans. :\

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: fatpat268
just out of curiosity, how much are these m4's and other rifles costing you guys?

Looks like an expensive hobby. I probably can't afford any, I'm knee deep in student loans. :\

If I part it out and build it myself - around $750 or so, for the parts I prefer at least.

Buying a new one in a store - $800-900 for a bushmaster/RRA/DPMS, and about $1000 and up for a Colt.

 

[MiniDoom]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: fatpat268
just out of curiosity, how much are these m4's and other rifles costing you guys?

Looks like an expensive hobby. I probably can't afford any, I'm knee deep in student loans. :\

If I part it out and build it myself - around $750 or so, for the parts I prefer at least.

Buying a new one in a store - $800-900 for a bushmaster/RRA/DPMS, and about $1000 and up for a Colt.

same here, friend gave me an olympic lower and I bought the bushmaster upper and a few more parts here and there.

 

[WildHorse]

what kind of handgun does Jack Bauer carry?