Possibly the most important science breakthrough happened today (not really)

[darkswordsman17]

lol at the folks who are jump on the OP so sure it is a hoax when they haven't a real clue. Not saying it is real but whats the point on jumping on the OP? Get in that trash someone to feel good group? Do you know for an absolute fact 100% that its fake?

Lol at people saying people have no clue when they themselves admit they don't have a clue. If you want to know why people are deriding adlep read the thread.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

lol at the folks who are jump on the OP so sure it is a hoax when they haven't a real clue. Not saying it is real but whats the point on jumping on the OP? Get in that trash someone to feel good group? Do you know for an absolute fact 100% that its fake?

I don't have to have to run the numbers on a story written by some numbskull who claimed he flew to Mars in a Ford Pinto he modified to run on Twinkies to know it's a fake and that story is at least equally as believable as this complete scam. It violates every law of physics, so yeah, anyone with a brain knows it's 100% fake.


Let me ask you this, if somebody published a paper claiming to own a zoo in his parents basement where he has the only Loch Ness Monster, the only unicorn, the only Bigfoot, 17 dragons, a chimera, Cerberus, Pegasus AND a goose that lays golden eggs all living happily in captivity would you need to have it proven false before you could muster the single brain cell necessary to call "BULLSHIT!"? This is bullshit. It's not close to reality, it's not something that's maybe sort of in the realm of doable if such and such a sticking point could be worked out and technology advances by 100 years. It's pure fabrication.

 

[sdifox]

lol at the folks who are jump on the OP so sure it is a hoax when they haven't a real clue. Not saying it is real but whats the point on jumping on the OP? Get in that trash someone to feel good group? Do you know for an absolute fact 100% that its fake?

It's called science. What do you mean no real clue?

 

[adlep]

I did read it, and I still think you're an idiot (not least of which is because you keep acting like you're right when you don't know jackshit about any of this).

Cherry picking and wild speculation on your part. The device itself and the theory of the operation behind it changes. Also the current paper represents a positive change versus previous tests. The fuel is analyzed before and after the test. Input and output energy is also measured with a high degree of accuracy. Rossi himself has a very limited role and professors conducting the test are not "me". They're well respected professionals with years of experience in research.
And btw, there will be more tests. You will at some point have to accept this device and technology being real. I am looking forward the nice and creative paragraphs of apology by many members of this forums.

In addition - the statement by the boss of ELFORSK is a new development as well. It seems that they're happy with result of that test. Happy enough to pour more money into the project and issue an official PR.
This isn't "Rossi says" anymore but an international project. US. Italy. Sweden. I'd call it a progress. Lastly, the reactor has been build not by the Rossi himself but by the IH LLC - Tom Darden talks about it in the interview.

 

[disappoint]

It's called science. What do you mean no real clue?

He's projecting his own ignorance onto others.

In other words, if he's not 100% sure then NO ONE CAN BE.

 

[jagec]

The device itself and the theory of the operation behind it changes.

And you see that as a GOOD thing?

It's one thing to make incremental modifications to a piece of research equipment, but if the theory behind it is constantly in flux, that just means that the researchers' findings keep failing to match up to their predictions.

Sound familiar?

 

[adlep]

And you see that as a GOOD thing?

It's one thing to make incremental modifications to a piece of research equipment, but if the theory behind it is constantly in flux, that just means that the researchers' findings keep failing to match up to their predictions.

Sound familiar?

Rossi is getting help now - with the theory. I think hes more of an engineer than a scientist:

http://youtu.be/gHFHyVkj6nA

Edit: The lates version of the report is now "officially" hosted on Elforsk's domain. The connection is undeniable.
http://www.elforsk.se/Global/Omvärld_system/filer/LuganoReportSubmit.pdf

Edit2: On the front news of slashdot
http://tech-beta.slashdot.org/story...rossis-alleged-cold-fusion-device-for-32-days

And the oil keeps dropping...

 

[Ichinisan]

Who needs Rossi? Who needs cold fusion?

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/lockheed-martins-new-fusion-reactor-design-can-change-h-1646578094/

Regular fusion is where it's at!

 

[moonbogg]

Cold fusion powered AI killing machines inbound. Buy food and ammo.
No, but seriously, I hope its true. I love a great underdog success story and this would be a whopper.
Also, if true, I bet he gets murdered. Too much money at stake to let one guy ruin everything.

 

[Ruptga]

By the time we have cheap ultraportable fusion power, strong AI, and robotics that soundly outperform biologics, we'll at least be close to backing up brains with machines. So you go ahead and be the underdog, but I'll be on the winning team.

 

[SunnyD]

Oh what the hell is this fraud crap?

A sample of the fuel was carefully examined with respect to its isotopic composition before the run and after the run, using several standard methods: XPS, EDS, SIMS, ICP-MS and ICP-AES. The isotope composition in Lithium and Nickel was found to agree with the natural composition before the run, while after the run it was found to have changed substantially. Nuclear reactions are therefore indicated to be present in the run process, which however is hard to reconcile with the fact that no radioactivity was detected outside the reactor during the run. “

No shit there'd be some sort of energy leakage over long team - he's using the fucking chemistry of lithium ion batteries!!! Custom Lithium-Nickel compounds are extremely common in Lithium-Ion batteries these days.

 

[moonbogg]

By the time we have cheap ultraportable fusion power, strong AI, and robotics that soundly outperform biologics, we'll at least be close to backing up brains with machines. So you go ahead and be the underdog, but I'll be on the winning team.

Take a:

good


hard


look

 

[zinfamous]

I would bet that he's not an idiot.

He's the CEO of firm with a lot of very bright people handling billions of $'s. I'm also willing to bet he has access to some of the best scientists in the fields he needs to evaluate this tech.

And unless you have a source I haven't found you seem to be making a lot of assumptions about how the deal to acquire the technology is structured. Personally, I seriously doubt it was a simple swap for outright cash.

However, none of that really speaks to the validity of the tech. Instead, the significance of his involvement is that now we'll find out if the tech works, and if so he's capable of bring it to market. I.e., this purported tech advance has now been pushed forward to the 'put up or shut' phase. That to me is good news.

Fern

No one would rationally think that this investor did due diligence on the tech--as Rossi has never allowed it.

VC's tend to lose piles on piles of cash on bad investments, as it's the nature of their field. He may not be an idiot over the long haul, because he may well be making better bets elsewhere. This happens to be a bad bet, and he will certainly lose.

Rossi didn't lose, obviously. He basically sold this dude a toaster oven after convincing him that it might be a time machine.

 

[halik]

Who needs Rossi? Who needs cold fusion?

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/lockheed-martins-new-fusion-reactor-design-can-change-h-1646578094/

Regular fusion is where it's at!

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html

Teehee came to post this here. Look, a company decades in high tech R&D came up with something they're asking other companies to join them in trying it out. Note that:

1) no one has been convicted of fraud
2) lead by MIT phd with large defense multinational backing
3) they're not asking for money
4) they're not claiming they're breaking laws of physics
5) they're talking high level about how it actually works http://aviationweek.com/technology/skunk-works-reveals-compact-fusion-reactor-details

 

[jagec]

Oh what the hell is this fraud crap?



No shit there'd be some sort of energy leakage over long team - he's using the fucking chemistry of lithium ion batteries!!! Custom Lithium-Nickel compounds are extremely common in Lithium-Ion batteries these days.

Isotopic ratio, not chemical composition. A regular ol' electrochemistry reaction wouldn't alter this ratio.

Not that I believe a word of it, of course.

 

[Ichinisan]

Where's my cold fusion, Rossi / Adlep?

 

[Ruptga]

Go outside, be cold, look at the sun: bam, cold fusion. When can I expect my Nobel?

 

[Ichinisan]

Go outside, be cold, look at the sun: bam, cold fusion. When can I expect my Nobel?

That's not "cold fusion." That's regular fusion.

 

[Ruptga]

Try it again, without skipping the second step this time.

I have some grad students that will back up my claim, just as soon as the checks clear.

 

[Ichinisan]

Try it again, without skipping the second step this time.

I have some grad students that will back up my claim, just as soon as the checks clear.

This changes everything. D:

 

[darkswordsman17]

Cherry picking and wild speculation on your part. The device itself and the theory of the operation behind it changes. Also the current paper represents a positive change versus previous tests. The fuel is analyzed before and after the test. Input and output energy is also measured with a high degree of accuracy. Rossi himself has a very limited role and professors conducting the test are not "me". They're well respected professionals with years of experience in research.
And btw, there will be more tests. You will at some point have to accept this device and technology being real. I am looking forward the nice and creative paragraphs of apology by many members of this forums.

In addition - the statement by the boss of ELFORSK is a new development as well. It seems that they're happy with result of that test. Happy enough to pour more money into the project and issue an official PR.
This isn't "Rossi says" anymore but an international project. US. Italy. Sweden. I'd call it a progress. Lastly, the reactor has been build not by the Rossi himself but by the IH LLC - Tom Darden talks about it in the interview.

Cherry picking? WTF? I pointed out very glaring flaws in this test that singlehandedly call their conclusion, in fact the validity of their testing entirely, into question. Not only that but complaining that I'm cherry picking like that somehow calls my argument into question when you can't even dispute it (you just resort to your usual nonsense speculative interpretation) is so utterly stupid that, well unfortunately I can't say I'm surprised at all since that's what you've done consistently this entire time.

No shit it's speculation because that's all anyone can do. Hell that's even been Rossi's stance since he claims he doesn't even understand what's going on, let alone all the other people.

It's still all of the same people (same investment, same people testing it, and of course Rossi and Focardi) with all the same flaws. The fact of the matter is the test itself is still so flawed that everything about this is still cause for near total skepticism.

Wasn't everything supposed to be different by now? We were supposed to have these in our homes and no energy dependency at all by now, weren't we? It's like you've been cherry picking and wildly speculating this entire time. :biggrin:

Also, WTF would people be apologizing to you for anything about this? You're not involved at all. You don't know jack shit, haven't been able to discuss anything (despite your attempts at trying early when you instead just proved your ignorance so totally that you then started whining to the mods for people pointing it out) and straight up said you were "just reporting" so it's not like you can even be right or wrong (which is why you started copping to that claim after people were pointing out how you were straight up fucking wrong with what you were posting you wanted to stop looking like the ignorant fool that you really are). This working or not in no way validates you in any way. People's attitudes toward you are directly a result to your attitude. You were the one that went around making claims and attacking people to begin with (it's been quite a while but I seem to recall there was a thread involving some medical thing that you made a complete dipshit of yourself and told people to suck your dick or something).

 

[sdifox]

I am still waiting for e-cat to show up in my wallymart

 

[Ichinisan]

I am still waiting for e-cat to show up in my wallymart

I got a 4-pack there a couple weeks ago. Cut myself trying to open the package and I can't figure out the instructions. I think I only got the Italian instructions. Not sure if the damn things even work.

I did notice that the package says "Requires 6 type-C batteries, not included."

 

[DrPizza]

Less than 2 months away from Ownage of the Year 2014. Looks like double-ownage: Adlep and the venture capitalist.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Why two months? I'm too lazy to read the whole thread