Possible use DVD-R without DL for movie?

[StopSign]

XviD encoding is fairly straight forward if you don't touch all the technical stuff. A basic 2-pass will yield very minimal loss in quality. I love watching stuff encode on my computer because it's so goddamn fast

 

[BoberFett]

Unfortunately I'm still running an old AXP 2500+, and won't be upgrading anytime soon so my encoding is anything but fast. That's why I'm being so careful and investigating different formats so I hoose the right format the first time. I don't really want to go through another complete ripping process a year from now.

 

[Need4Speed]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: n7
DVD Rebuilder is far better than transcoders like DVD Shrink, etc.

Even when using the free HC encoder that DVD Rebuilder comes with, it's miles ahead of DVD Shrink, etc.

Out of curiosity, what makes you say that? I've been researching everything I can find in regards to DVD ripping so I can get my whole movie collection on a server which I can access through XBMC.

Is it the quality? The size? I'd love to just do straight rips without transcoding for max quality, but for my DVD collection I'd need at least a terabyte of disk space.

A couple reasons.

First one is personal experience.

I have re-encoded/transcoded hundreds of DVD9s to DVD5, & simply put, for anything lower than around ~ 75% compression, DVD Shrink is utter crap.
Granted, i have high standards, but why settle for crap quality with horrifying pixelation/artifacting when you can use something like DVD-RB + CCE & re-encode to around 50% compression with almost no noticeable quality loss?

Also, if you pay even a little attention to the DVD9 to DVD5 conversion scene, you'll always find that the "standard" for high quality compression is always DVD-RB + CCE (or one of its other compatible encoders).

There's a good reason why "release groups" use DVD-RB + CCE.

That's the best way you can do it. No question about it.




Oh, & as for your situation, if you can rip them w/o compression & not need to worry about space, go for it.

But rest asurred, if you needed to compress them all down to < 5 GB size, DVD-RB + CCE would leave you very happy with the resulting quality.

if you had such high standards then you'd be doing a 1:1 rip without transcoding.

 

[RebateMonger]

Although there are probably advantages to using other tools, I have to say that DVDShrink is REALLY easy to use and gives decent results. A couple of mouse-clicks and you're done with your DVD backup.

When CSS got broken, I played with all the tools and found lots of obstacles to getting a simple, functional, DVD backup. I had unsynched sound, weird aspect ratios, and every other kind of error you can imagine. I found DVDShrink a godsend for a beginner, since it's pretty foolproof.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: Need4Speed
if you had such high standards then you'd be doing a 1:1 rip without transcoding.

Fine then. :roll:

Let me clarify.

I like the best possible quality w/o buying damn overpriced issue-filled dual layer DVD-/+Rs.

 

[Need4Speed]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: Need4Speed
if you had such high standards then you'd be doing a 1:1 rip without transcoding.

Fine then. :roll:

Let me clarify.

I like the best possible quality w/o buying damn overpriced issue-filled dual layer DVD-/+Rs.

Well that's better

I actually did have a point I was going to make, and that is that "best quality" depends greatly on what size screen you are watching the transcoded movie on.

I have a hard time telling the diff between a transcoded movie (using dvd-rb and HC) and the original DVD on my 42" set, but watch the same movie in my theater and it becomes obvious which one is been compressed.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: Need4Speed
if you had such high standards then you'd be doing a 1:1 rip without transcoding.

Fine then. :roll:

Let me clarify.

I like the best possible quality w/o buying damn overpriced issue-filled dual layer DVD-/+Rs.

So you're ripping the untouched VOBs directly to a network server?

- M4H

 

[Need4Speed]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: Need4Speed
if you had such high standards then you'd be doing a 1:1 rip without transcoding.

Fine then. :roll:

Let me clarify.

I like the best possible quality w/o buying damn overpriced issue-filled dual layer DVD-/+Rs.

So you're ripping the untouched VOBs directly to a network server?

- M4H

thats what I do..then I stream them to my 360. If I like the movie then I will burn it to a DL disk and archive it.

 

[ShellGuy]

how is a dl dvd issue filled? i have 2 stacks that i havn't used yet just due to the fact i don't want to, i will prob use them for data backups or something..



Will G.

 

[RebateMonger]

Originally posted by: ShellGuy
how is a dl dvd issue filled?

Probably because the odds of reading them on any random DVD player aren't even close to 100%.

 

[ShellGuy]

i may have to play with that thought, as i have about 20 or so dvd dl disks.. which i havn't used in over a yr.. LOL..



Will G.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Need4Speed

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: Need4Speed
if you had such high standards then you'd be doing a 1:1 rip without transcoding.

Fine then. :roll:

Let me clarify.

I like the best possible quality w/o buying damn overpriced issue-filled dual layer DVD-/+Rs.

So you're ripping the untouched VOBs directly to a network server?

- M4H

thats what I do..then I stream them to my 360. If I like the movie then I will burn it to a DL disk and archive it.

Funny, I just use my original media as the archive.

Arr?

- M4H

 

[Need4Speed]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Need4Speed

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: Need4Speed
if you had such high standards then you'd be doing a 1:1 rip without transcoding.

Fine then. :roll:

Let me clarify.

I like the best possible quality w/o buying damn overpriced issue-filled dual layer DVD-/+Rs.

So you're ripping the untouched VOBs directly to a network server?

- M4H

thats what I do..then I stream them to my 360. If I like the movie then I will burn it to a DL disk and archive it.

Funny, I just use my original media as the archive.

Arr?

- M4H

each me too...i keep everything in quadruplicate though just to be safe.

 

[BoberFett]

I think I've found my format/encoder.

DivX + DrDivX

I used DVDShrink to pull just the main movie including AC3 audio track and subtitles of Mystery Men off DVD. DrDivX is about as straightforward an interface as you can get. Select a few options and it's off. The quality is quite good, and the format supports many features. Multiple audio tracks, subtitles, and I believe chapters as well though I think when I ripped it from DVD I lost the chapters. I'll have to mess with it a bit more to figure out chapter support.

I was just watching it on my 42" HDTV through XBMC, and the video quality was excellent. As for the size, it's a 2 hour long movie and it's just under 1.5GB.

 

[EKKC]

Verbatim +R DL's are the highest quality Dual layer media IMO. compatibility with XBOX, 360, and generally any generation of DVD players that I own.

they're slightly more expensive but worth the money