Possible use DVD-R without DL for movie?

[Jjoshua2]

Our player can only read minus it turns out, and all my DL's are +. I have DVD-R plain. Will it work to use two of those? Maybe if I put the first few data files, and can split the rest in two? Anyone done this before? Maybe I can cut the frame rate in half or something too, but that sounds harder.

I found this in a google search: "If you don't mind putting in some extra time you could rip the full DVD to the hd then use DVD Rebuilder to reduce it to a DVD5 and there would be almost no video quality loss. DVD Rebuilder comes in a free version and a more optioned Pro version that is $29.95."
I am thinking of trying this. It sounds like its compressed to 1 single.

 

[MustISO]

Very simple to do:

1) Decrypt files to HD with whatever software you like (i like DVDFabDecrypter Free)
2) Using DVD Shrink, select Movie Only and change the end point to a chapter in the middle of the film or find a good stopping point.
3) Create ISO file with this section of the film.
4) Edit start and end points again this time starting where you stopped or a few seconds before and going to the end credits.
5 Save this to ISO and burn both with whatever you like.

It's entirely possible to just save the movie and have it fit on a single DVD5 or compress a little bit with DVDShrink so it will fit on a single disk.

 

[ShellGuy]

why don't you just shrink it down to one dvd? Rip It 4 Me is a great program, just be sure to dl all other progams needed and the one click mode is great..




Will G.

 

[Jjoshua2]

So I can use DVD shrink, DVD rebuilder, rip it for me...
Are these all about the same quality wise? Is there one thats the standard? Ie memtest is the standard for memory testing and p95 for cpu.

I think I have two questions. One is how much better quality is it 2 dvd's vs 1. The other is does the encoder effect the quality much, ie DVD shrink vs. DVD rebuilder quality for shrinking. I've found several people claiming rebuilder has better quality as it re-encodes, vs transcodes. They say its really noticeable with 60" tv's.

I have a regular old tv, that is about 32 inches? Not exactly sure on the inches, but its around there.

 

[wirednuts]

use dvd shrink with the high quality AEC feature on sharp and you wont get much better results then that. the deep analysis also helps for action movies, but mind you with both of these filters enabled it will take at least 40min to encode, and im saying thats with a 4400+ dual core + 2gb ram....

 

[Jjoshua2]

Well I have an e6600 @ 3.25 and 2gb of ram, and I don't mind waiting an hour normally. I'm trying DVD rebuilder with the HC encoder now. I might compare it to the highest quality DVD shrink. Is that the high AEC on sharp?

 

[ShellGuy]

yes it is, i love rip it 4 me due to the fact i can do almost everything at once, all you have to do is launch shrink, and yes you can do AEC with max smooth or max sharp. I have no issues on my 32" toshiba tv with my DVDs.


Thanks,
Will

 

[n7]

DVD Rebuilder is far better than transcoders like DVD Shrink, etc.

Even when using the free HC encoder that DVD Rebuilder comes with, it's miles ahead of DVD Shrink, etc.

 

[DaveSimmons]

If this is for P2P or usenet downloads, a netflix subscription is a lot less work.

 

[Jjoshua2]

I used DVD rebuilder, and it appeared to work fine, but I have no audio. All the menus have audio, but when it starts to play a clip, there is no audio. The DVD files on the hard drive have audio, but the compressed on the hd do not have all the audio. I tried twice with two different encoders, and some different settings. Any ideas? It seems kinda a weird error to only lose some audio, are the menu audios different than in movie somehow?

 

[n7]

You've checked that the media player you use is set to the correct speaker settings?

I.e., 5.1 or stereo, etc?

Also, when you re-encoded the video, did you leave the audio there?
Or did you maybe accidentally deselect it?

 

[Jjoshua2]

I think the media player must be right, I tried it on our dvd player, and on my computer, and both had the same problem of hearing the sound with the menus, but nowhere else. I think I must not have left the audio there, but I don't know how to leave it. I don't think I deselected it, but I don't really know where the option is.

Where is the audio in dvd files. Is it in the .vob?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: n7
DVD Rebuilder is far better than transcoders like DVD Shrink, etc.

Even when using the free HC encoder that DVD Rebuilder comes with, it's miles ahead of DVD Shrink, etc.

Out of curiosity, what makes you say that? I've been researching everything I can find in regards to DVD ripping so I can get my whole movie collection on a server which I can access through XBMC.

Is it the quality? The size? I'd love to just do straight rips without transcoding for max quality, but for my DVD collection I'd need at least a terabyte of disk space.

 

[Jjoshua2]

DVD rebuilder uses a decoder and then re-encodes it, vs shrink uses a transcode, to just compress each frame. However, I couldn't get DVD-RB to have sound, although the quality was good. Both shrink a DVD+-DL to a DVD+-R.

 

[Antisocial Virge]

Rebuilder can use several different encoders also. All the way from CCE, procoder and free ones. If you need help with rebuilder go to www.doom9.org The guy who wrote the program hangs out in the forum. Its a pretty advanced place so do some reading before asking stupid questions.

 

[Jjoshua2]

Ok, I created an account at doom9, but it says you have to wait 5 days before posting! I guess to limit the stupid questions.

 

[bob4432]

i have used dvd-rb and bought the cce $50 encoder - yes quality is excellent, but i would say within 10% of shrink with all of its bells and whistles turned on if you are shrinking it 20% or less. 20% or more always goes to dvd-rb, that is where you can really see it

 

[Jjoshua2]

I need to compress it a lot more than 20% to get a full DVD-9 onto DVD-5. How do you tell it to keep the audio? If the DVD is too big will it not do keep the audio or something? If you have the wrong DVD files selected?

 

[bob4432]

it has been a while since i used the dvd-rb setup because everything for me has been in my 20% or less space - just the movie of cours, but i would search doom9 for a guilde. sorry, i can't remember off the top of my head....

 

[Jjoshua2]

Ok, I found out not only do I have audio in the menus, but also English subtitles, so that helps, but it'd be really nice to have audio in the movie parts. I got Nero Recode 2 to work with audio, so maybe that will have to do. It was really fast, only about 20 minutes, and I turned on all the extra quality stuff I could find.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: n7
DVD Rebuilder is far better than transcoders like DVD Shrink, etc.

Even when using the free HC encoder that DVD Rebuilder comes with, it's miles ahead of DVD Shrink, etc.

Out of curiosity, what makes you say that? I've been researching everything I can find in regards to DVD ripping so I can get my whole movie collection on a server which I can access through XBMC.

Is it the quality? The size? I'd love to just do straight rips without transcoding for max quality, but for my DVD collection I'd need at least a terabyte of disk space.

A couple reasons.

First one is personal experience.

I have re-encoded/transcoded hundreds of DVD9s to DVD5, & simply put, for anything lower than around ~ 75% compression, DVD Shrink is utter crap.
Granted, i have high standards, but why settle for crap quality with horrifying pixelation/artifacting when you can use something like DVD-RB + CCE & re-encode to around 50% compression with almost no noticeable quality loss?

Also, if you pay even a little attention to the DVD9 to DVD5 conversion scene, you'll always find that the "standard" for high quality compression is always DVD-RB + CCE (or one of its other compatible encoders).

There's a good reason why "release groups" use DVD-RB + CCE.

That's the best way you can do it. No question about it.




Oh, & as for your situation, if you can rip them w/o compression & not need to worry about space, go for it.

But rest asurred, if you needed to compress them all down to < 5 GB size, DVD-RB + CCE would leave you very happy with the resulting quality.

 

[BoberFett]

Thanks for the reply. Have you compared DVDRB to Xvid? I've been messing with Gordian Knot, and it seems to get pretty good compression with fairly high quality. What it won't do is leave you with menus and extras, it's just a straight video file. But for me that's really all I'm interested in. If I really want to see the extras I can dig out the DVD.

 

[bob4432]

for a real siimple xvid/x264 encoder setup i have used fair use wizard - easy and it just plain works, plus it has a queue so you can put in x amount of movies and let 'er run all night might want to check it out

 

[StopSign]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
If this is for P2P or usenet downloads, a netflix subscription is a lot less work.

Pirated movies come in 700 MB or 1.36 GB XviD. Pirating full DVDs is just stupid and not worth the time.

 

[n7]

BoberFett, i'm sorry, i really have never dealt with XviD.

I like to keep the menus, etc. when i do my conversions, so i can't say how well it would work.