Possible Death of my CPU?

WheeZy

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I had* an Athlon XP 2500 barton - overclocked to 3200 on an A7N8X Deluxe. It worked great for the month that I had it, no problems even though I leave it on all day and often max it out a 100% CPU usage rendering stuff or gaming.

But Yesturday, I was playing some Unreal Tournament 2004, and about 1 hour into it my computer just shuts off. The "Power on" LED was still lit on the case. I pressed it to turn it off and restart the computer thinking it was a random crash (the PC had never crashed before by the way, not even a blue screen)

But it wouldn't start. I unplugged the power cable, unplugged all periferals, plugged them back in and tried to start it. The power button does not work so I try turning the PSU on and off (there is a switch on the back of mine). The motherboard's "System powered" green LED is lit showing there is power to the system, however when I turn it on, the fan's twitch a little, and the Fan and Case LEDs flash on but the CPU doesn't even start. Nothing else happens when I try to start it, the bios doesn't beep, the screen doesn't change, the harddrives don't start.

Ah by the way, it was also a really hot day, 85 degrees outside, and about 80 (I'm guessing) in my room.

When I opened my case after a few attempts of turning it on, I noticed it was unusually hot, like very unusually hot. I touched the heatsink to get an idea of how hot it was and it burned me slightly, it was very hot. Well, put them together and I figured the CPU is fried. But usually when CPUs die from overclocking they first make some random restarts or crashes or blue screens, I never got any and infact I've never seen the Core temperature go higher than 55C, and that would be after 4 hours of gaming. The Case temp is also cool, 25-35C depending on how long it's been on. I have 2 case fans, a side one blowing in and a top one blowing out. Also my heatsink rocks, Thermalright SLK-800U - picture: http://www.overclockers.com/articles726/sl1.jpg

I took off the heatsink to see what's up with the processor - I had some Arctic Silver 5 on it, however I'm not the one who put it on, I had someone else do it. Thing is that most of the Silver had spread off the core and infact you could easily see the core besides for some thin splotches of the thermal paste. There wasn't all that much on the base of the heatsink either, but then again I think the Arctic silver is supposed to get absorbed by the heatsink. Oh well, I don't know if that's bad or not, I'm going to guess no.

But I'm still left with a processor that doesn't work.

Could anyone who's maybe had experiance with this before help me out? Is it definatly dead, or did for some reason the PSU blew out (350W, I only have 1 harddrive, 1CDrom drive, 2 sticks of 256 PC3200, GeforceMX440, and a Sound Blaster Live soundcard - the 350W should be more than enough.

Also I went out and got an Athlon XP 2800 Barton just incase the chip is dead but I haven't installed it yet.

I read somewhere that you could try to reset the CMOS, but I don't want to mess with that. I didn't overclock RAM and the voltages for the CPU (1.776) and the FSB (200x11) were obviously fine considering they worked for a month and the CPU was always between 35 and 55C
 

Shimmishim

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that's strange that your heatsink was that hot...

did the fan on the heatsink possibly give out or has it accumulated a lot of dust?

clearing the cmos is really easy...

there's a jumper that you just move from one position to another position and then back to the original position...

or you can always take out the battery for a bit of time and that'll also reset the bios...

as for the psu..

that may be a possibility too.. the best thing to do is to test the cpu out in another computer
 

Ronnie

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Sounds to me like the power supply. Like Shim said resetting the cmos is easy and would be the first thing I would try.
 

WheeZy

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Theres not alot of dust considering the entire system is only 1 month old, and I clean it regularly, so no there wasn't any dust.

Oh and the PSU might have bean a cheapo one, it came with a $40 case off Newegg, the case had 5 star reviews by alot of people and no one reported PSU problems.

The battery I actually tried taking off, but it wouldn't come out, the clip is weird, and I don't know if it's clipped in or if the entire thing is attatched to the motherboard.

Also I couldn't find a jumper because the A7N8X manual is a bitch, but I could continue looking :) Do you think resetting the CMOS would work? Like I said I already bought a new chip, could I just put that one in? Still though, I'd really like to find out what the hell went wrong since it's so unlikely it fried, even though it was unusually hot when I checked out the heatsink and the case temperature. There was a very slight smell of burnt silicon, something like what the back of your PSU would smell like if anyone's ever bothered smelling it :)

The only other system I have is this one I'm on now, a 5 year old Pentium 3 600Mhz -384MB ram and a 20GB harddrive, a huge bummer from the system I was on before. So I can't test the chip on another computer, least it be a friend's but most of my friend's aren't computer techies or don't want to risk putting a damaged chip in their system.
 

WheeZy

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Alright...I just tried resetting the CMOS by following this guide: http://www.geocities.com/amd_info/A7N8X/a7n8xcmos.htm

and... it didn't work. It did the same thing. The fans twitched and the LEDs flashed but thing else turned on or happened.

The Motherboard is still powered on though since the green light is on all the time while the power is connected.


UPDATE: Check this out... AMD aparently does not like Thermal Grease, epsecially Arctic Silver which I use

http://www.xtremetek.com/info/index.php?id=14

Should I just get a thermal pad for my new chip? I don't think I'll be messing with overclocking (too much ;) ) after this experiance anyway.
 

sodcha0s

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I have to agree with Ronnie, I'd suspect the power supply. Even if the chip was dead the fans should power up for at least a few seconds. The light on the mobo means only that there is voltage on the board, it does not tell you if the power supply is good or not. BTW, never use a cheapo power supply, ESPECIALLY if you're overclocking.
 

MDE

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Grease is fine, it's just that some people were being knuckleheads and cracking the cores on the CPU when using grease. The thermal pad provides a bit of cushion so the core doesn't crack. Arctic Silver will cool better than the pad anyway.
 

WheeZy

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Yeah I'm kinda thinking it's the PSU too, if I just put in a new one and reconnect all the cables would it work?
Also, can someone point me to a guide on mounting/installing a PSU?
 

MDE

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Installing a PSU is simple. Most cases have four screws in the back that hold the PSU on, unscrew those and pull it out (after unplugging the wires). Some may have a swingout mount, but it's the same principle. For the new one, screw it in and plug the power cables in where you need them.
 

Margalus

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Originally posted by: WheeZy
I took off the heatsink to see what's up with the processor - I had some Arctic Silver 5 on it, however I'm not the one who put it on, I had someone else do it. Thing is that most of the Silver had spread off the core and infact you could easily see the core besides for some thin splotches of the thermal paste.

that could have killed the cpu or the board. arctic silver is very conductive and can short components out. Plus, with that much as5 on the cpu, the heat alone could kill the cpu. as5 is very finicky, and even the slightest bit too much acts like a blanket and keeps the heat in the cpu.

btw, the heatssink does not absorb the paste
 

Duvie

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Sounds like a possibility of a few things....

1) Power supply.....Had an old power supply act like this when I tried to install it in an older fixer up system...new power supply worked fine....

2) the fan header ot the fan on the HSF....The board may falsely detecting a fan is connected to the header which it then safeguards against a start. The fan could have failed and it donesn't start and the reason the fan twicthes and then the boatrd does not start cause it doesn't detect a fan running....

Any case fans??? Not one of them starts, inclduing the power supply fan??? No drive sounds???


I don't thinkit is the cpu at all but if you have removed the hsf and cleanup the thermal grease look for burn marks or cracks....Usually a dead cpu can still result in fans and drive spinning up and then stopping or just no video post...


Definitely sounds like apower supply got too hot and failed....the have tremendous heat issues aswell often times getting much hotter then an amd cpu...
 

AsiLuc

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First of all, I'm not entirely sure what happenend, but I have a few theories. I assume you're willing to tweak.

1) PSU dead? Why would the mobo-led light up then? Easy way to test if it's dead: connect the green wire to a ground on the atx-conector. That;s the fattest one connected to the mobo. It should turn on. If not, it's dead.
2) Dead mobo. I know because I had a similar thing. I will not go into details, because the painful memory is too hard on me, but I caused a shortage betweeb the 5 and 12 Volt line. That's not funny.
Consequences: pc turned off. Just like pulling out the plug. Dead: Mobo (A7N8X), HDD, videocard (no individual molex!) and keyboard.
Survived: cpu, memory, optical drives, Antec PSU and the mouse.
The funny thing is, the mobo-led was still on, but nothing happend when I would turn on the pc. The mobo is a wall-decoration now.
Luckily I had backup mobo, vid, keyboard and hdd, but it was an expensive mistake. Never mess with live voltage.
My point: your motherboard could be dead, it has the symptoms, but check the psu first.
3) with a dead cpu, the mobo should a least turn on and produce some beeps. I don't understand. I noticed you don't know how to install a psu and stuff, well, this kind of thing is big, all I can say is, good luck! Maybe you can get your friend to help you, perhaps he is more skilled.
 

Duvie

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I have had power supplies that are too weak to turn on led light of mobo but not kick start the board...So it does not have to be dead alright but fatally damaged or weakened...
 

WheeZy

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Apr 25, 2004
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Any case fans??? Not one of them starts, inclduing the power supply fan??? No drive sounds???

Pretty much, about 3 seconds after I aply power, the fans (all of them, graphic card, the 2 case fans and the CPU fan) "twitch" as in they move very slightly, and the LEDs on the fans light up for 1/5th of a second and then all is still, nothing else starts, no sounds, no nothing.

I don't think the PSU overvolted since I had more than enough wattage on my system configuration, and the Video card and the Sound card worked in another system that I put them in.

So I'll try the PSU, if that doesn't work I'll try a new processor, if that doesn't work I'll get a new motherboard.

Now about AS5...is it really that dangerous? There was a pretty small ammount on it but then I read that there isn't supposed to be much at all. Considering my CPU is usually 43C and almost never exceeds 50C - and it worked for a month with the CPU being on for up to 18 hours a day, I think it was alright. It wouldn't make sense for it to spike the temperature all of a sudden one day and overheat, and besides it didn't smell like burnt silicon when I opened the case.

Should I keep using AS5 in the future by the way? Are other thermal compounds any dangerous too?

As for the PSU :) I'm just abit catious since I've never installed one before and haven't bothered reading up how, if it just involves screwing in and re-attatching the cables then that's easy enough. I have built 3 other systems before, 2 AMDs and 1 Intel, so I wouldn't say I'm a total newb :) Though I've only been involved in the "hardware world" for about a year.
 

someone16

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Yes, keep using the arctic silver, the stuff shouldn't doing anything as long it it doesn't touch those little chips around the chip. AS is non-conductive.
 

Margalus

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use arctic silver if you want. Just make sure you don't get so much on there next time ;) Personally I would recommend arctic silver ceramique though. It works just as well, is easier to apply properly and is non-conductive.
 

AsiLuc

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Margalus is almost right, Artic Silver is slightly conductive.
Artic Silver is mada from silver, silver is a metal, metals are conductive, therefore Artic Silver is conductive. (But slightly, they tried to lessen its conductive properties..)
Quote:
Caution:
While much safer than silver greases engineered for high electrical conductivity, Arctic Silver thermal compound should be kept away from electrical traces, pins, and leads. The compound is slightly capacitive and could cause problems if it bridged two close-proximity electrical paths.
 

nbarb99

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Hmm, this is definetly a weird situation. I agree - if the CPU was dead, the motherboard would *at least* give a bunch of beeps to let you know something's wrong.

I'd vote for bad power supply first, then bad motherboard if the PSU isn't the problem.

As for installing a PSU - very easy, just disconnect cables, unscrew screws, then connect back up with a new one. :)

I read somewhere that you could try to reset the CMOS, but I don't want to mess with that.
Who told you that?