Possible "cure" for AIDS?

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Triumph
All funding of AIDS research should be stopped.

Gotta love the Internet. Without it most of us probably would never encounter fscktards such as yourself!

It's so easy to piss you off, Red, because of course you are always right about everything. Let me ask you, Why should we spend millions of dollars researching a cure for an easily preventable disease, when there are countless other diseases with no cure and limited treatment, where the resources would be better spent, and people contract/develop it through no fault of their own? It makes no sense. Spend all the money on prevention education and condoms you want, I have no problem with that. But once you catch it, too bad. In 99.9% of the cases, it is your own fault. In the other 0.1% of cases, you have to ask yourself if the millions of dollars spent is worth saving those few lives. That same amount of cash could've been used to save the lives of thousands of other people.

It's a simple cost/benefits analysis.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Triumph
All funding of AIDS research should be stopped.

Gotta love the Internet. Without it most of us probably would never encounter fscktards such as yourself!

It's so easy to piss you off, Red, because of course you are always right about everything. Let me ask you, Why should we spend millions of dollars researching a cure for an easily preventable disease, when there are countless other diseases with no cure and limited treatment, where the resources would be better spent, and people contract/develop it through no fault of their own? It makes no sense. Spend all the money on prevention education and condoms you want, I have no problem with that. But once you catch it, too bad. In 99.9% of the cases, it is your own fault. In the other 0.1% of cases, you have to ask yourself if the millions of dollars spent is worth saving those few lives. That same amount of cash could've been used to save the lives of thousands of other people.

It's a simple cost/benefits analysis.

Well I know this is to much for a simple minded buffoon like you to understand but AIDS research has led to breakthroughs for other diseases like Cancer and other immune Deficency diseases that aren't sexually transmitted.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Why would anyone actually invent a cure for AIDS? There's too much money in the pills needed today. Curing it would take away precious money from those greedy drug companies.

 

[GasX]

Some rich lowlife could buy up the rights to this and then sell HIV positive women the right to have sex with him...

kind of makes me wish I have a few billion dollars laying around...

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: Triumph
It's a simple cost/benefits analysis.

Oh? Care to list your extensive research into this matter? I would love to read the exhaustive analysis which lead you to know that the research funds are better spent on other diseases.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Why would anyone actually invent a cure for AIDS? There's too much money in the pills needed today. Curing it would take away precious money from those greedy drug companies.

Yeah...I heard that there is a cure for cancer but drug companies have effectively killed it...or maybe it was some urban lagend

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Why would anyone actually invent a cure for AIDS? There's too much money in the pills needed today. Curing it would take away precious money from those greedy drug companies.

Yeah...I heard that there is a cure for cancer but drug companies have effectively killed it...or maybe it was some urban lagend

Don't give FFMCobalt anymore reason than he already has to keep up his Big Pharma is EVIL delusion...

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Why would anyone actually invent a cure for AIDS? There's too much money in the pills needed today. Curing it would take away precious money from those greedy drug companies.

Yeah...I heard that there is a cure for cancer but drug companies have effectively killed it...or maybe it was some urban lagend

Don't give FFMCobalt anymore reason than he already has to keep up his Big Pharma is EVIL delusion...

It's not a delusion, it's my opinion. Prove to me otherwise, and I will gladly change my opinion!!

 

[DanTMWTMP]

hmm..they already had this concept years ago....my friend mentioned it to me during my freshmen yr in college...

4 yrs ago..

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Why would anyone actually invent a cure for AIDS? There's too much money in the pills needed today. Curing it would take away precious money from those greedy drug companies.

Yeah...I heard that there is a cure for cancer but drug companies have effectively killed it...or maybe it was some urban lagend

Don't give FFMCobalt anymore reason than he already has to keep up his Big Pharma is EVIL delusion...

It's not a delusion, it's my opinion. Prove to me otherwise, and I will gladly change my opinion!!

Remember that post you made recently about people suggesting you take an economics class? I suggest you take it!!!

Yes, more money is made from a treatment than from a cure in the long run, but the financial risk of not being the inventor of the cure both financially and intangibly are humungous. Anyone getting a whiff of a cure is going to pour their resources into developing it.

 

[virtueixi]

10% of ppl from european ethnicity are actually immune to HIV. The receptor that HIV latches on to is mutated.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: virtueixi
10% of ppl from european ethnicity are actually immune to HIV. The receptor that HIV latches on to is mutated.

link to peer reviewed journal article confirming this please!!

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: virtueixi
10% of ppl from european ethnicity are actually immune to HIV. The receptor that HIV latches on to is mutated.

Seriously? I would love to read an article in a respected medical journal that says that. That would be awesome!

 

[Red]

Anyone who says money shouldn't be spent for a cure that eliminates millions of lives is a piece of trash.

That's like saying anyone who breaks the speed limit and gets in a car wreck should be denied health care. Yes, it is a comparable screnario. People speed, which is against the law and dangerous, yet 99.9% of the time they come out ticket-free and perfectly healthy, and noone says anything.

Then people go and have sex. Similarly, it's dangerous (yet actually legal) to have as much unprotected sex as you want. 99.9% (probably less) people come out ok, but you're saying if they happen to contract a disease from it, their lives should be assigned to imminent death.

NO. Oh, also, people should be denied healthcare for any accident they get in at all, because they should have paid more attention or been more cautious, because that is what caused the accident.

EDIT: Also, please deny healthcare to all people who smoke and drink because the surgeon general DOES put a warning on there. And also deny healthcare to people who play sports or get in an airplane because they also should understand the dangers or participating in these activities because they get hurt.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Triumph
All funding of AIDS research should be stopped.

Gotta love the Internet. Without it most of us probably would never encounter fscktards such as yourself!

It's so easy to piss you off, Red, because of course you are always right about everything. Let me ask you, Why should we spend millions of dollars researching a cure for an easily preventable disease, when there are countless other diseases with no cure and limited treatment, where the resources would be better spent, and people contract/develop it through no fault of their own? It makes no sense. Spend all the money on prevention education and condoms you want, I have no problem with that. But once you catch it, too bad. In 99.9% of the cases, it is your own fault. In the other 0.1% of cases, you have to ask yourself if the millions of dollars spent is worth saving those few lives. That same amount of cash could've been used to save the lives of thousands of other people.

It's a simple cost/benefits analysis.

Well I know this is to much for a simple minded buffoon like you to understand but AIDS research has led to breakthroughs for other diseases like Cancer and other immune Deficency diseases that aren't sexually transmitted.

Red Dawn - The AT member most skilled at rebutting logical arguments with personal insults and derision. You can't even engage in a conversation with someone you disagree with, without resorting to that. Happens in every controversial thread that you partake in. So truly, who is the simple minded buffoon?

Who's to say that those breakthroughs wouldn't have been made while researching cures for other diseases? I have a friend who has Lupus, another immune system related disease, developed through no fault of her own. Maybe we should've spent $750 million researching Lupus instead, because we might've accidentally found a cure for AIDS. By your "logic", that's what should be done.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Red
Anyone who says money shouldn't be spent for a cure that eliminates millions of lives is a piece of trash.

That's like saying anyone who breaks the speed limit and gets in a car wreck should be denied health care. Yes, it is a comparable screnario. People speed, which is against the law and dangerous, yet 99.9% of the time they come out ticket-free and perfectly healthy, and noone says anything.

Then people go and have sex. Similarly, it's dangerous (yet actually legal) to have as much unprotected sex as you want. 99.9% (probably less) people come out ok, but you're saying if they happen to contract a disease from it, their lives should be assigned to imminent death.

NO. Oh, also, people should be denied healthcare for any accident they get in at all, because they should have paid more attention or been more cautious, because that is what caused the accident.

It is comporable. I call you a dumbass if you total your car and it's your fault and you bust a limb, but I'd still like to see you in the hospital. However, given the choice between you going to the hospital (not you necessarily; anybody) or a kid who was hit by his father, and the hospital has only enough resources to fix one limb, well then I'll pick the kid.

Similarly, there are limited resources and between AIDS and Cancer, I'd like to see cancer cured. As triumph said AIDs is almost entirely preventable. Other than some environmentally-influenced cancers like lung, for instance, cancer is in many cases not realistically preventable. I'll never get AIDs because I'm smart. I can't say the same about cancer.

Further, cancer kills a LOT more people than AIDs does.

AIDs will massacre Africa, but starvation is massacring africa anyway. Education and economic/social/political reform should be their meal ticket, not a feint hope of some doctor from the west coming out with a $25 vaccination.

Although cancer benefits are found from AIDs research the best benefits for cancer treatments are found from cancer research.

I wouldn't want research entirely taken away frmo AIDs, but as with any medical approach there are diminishing returns. If we throw $10 B at AIDS maybe it's solved in 50 years. If we through $50 B at it, it may be solved in 30 years instead. The same can be said of cancer, but I'd rather see those diminishing returns thrown into cancer rather than AIDs, if you've got to pick one of them.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Triumph
All funding of AIDS research should be stopped.

Gotta love the Internet. Without it most of us probably would never encounter fscktards such as yourself!

It's so easy to piss you off, Red, because of course you are always right about everything. Let me ask you, Why should we spend millions of dollars researching a cure for an easily preventable disease, when there are countless other diseases with no cure and limited treatment, where the resources would be better spent, and people contract/develop it through no fault of their own? It makes no sense. Spend all the money on prevention education and condoms you want, I have no problem with that. But once you catch it, too bad. In 99.9% of the cases, it is your own fault. In the other 0.1% of cases, you have to ask yourself if the millions of dollars spent is worth saving those few lives. That same amount of cash could've been used to save the lives of thousands of other people.

It's a simple cost/benefits analysis.

Well I know this is to much for a simple minded buffoon like you to understand but AIDS research has led to breakthroughs for other diseases like Cancer and other immune Deficency diseases that aren't sexually transmitted.

Red Dawn - The AT member most skilled at rebutting logical arguments with personal insults and derision. You can't even engage in a conversation with someone you disagree with, without resorting to that. Happens in every controversial thread that you partake in. So truly, who is the simple minded buffoon?

Obviously you are

Who's to say that those breakthroughs wouldn't have been made while researching cures for other diseases? I have a friend who has Lupus, another immune system related disease, developed through no fault of her own. Maybe we should've spent $750 million researching Lupus instead, because we might've accidentally found a cure for AIDS. By your "logic", that's what should be done.

If Lupus had the potential to cause hundreds of millions of deaths it would have been. I think the problem here is that you are either a Homophobe or a latent Homosexual trying hard not to be one.

 

[Red]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Red
Anyone who says money shouldn't be spent for a cure that eliminates millions of lives is a piece of trash.

That's like saying anyone who breaks the speed limit and gets in a car wreck should be denied health care. Yes, it is a comparable screnario. People speed, which is against the law and dangerous, yet 99.9% of the time they come out ticket-free and perfectly healthy, and noone says anything.

Then people go and have sex. Similarly, it's dangerous (yet actually legal) to have as much unprotected sex as you want. 99.9% (probably less) people come out ok, but you're saying if they happen to contract a disease from it, their lives should be assigned to imminent death.

NO. Oh, also, people should be denied healthcare for any accident they get in at all, because they should have paid more attention or been more cautious, because that is what caused the accident.

It is comporable. I call you a dumbass if you total your car and it's your fault and you bust a limb, but I'd still like to see you in the hospital. However, given the choice between you going to the hospital (not you necessarily; anybody) or a kid who was hit by his father, and the hospital has only enough resources to fix one limb, well then I'll pick the kid.

Similarly, there are limited resources and between AIDS and Cancer, I'd like to see cancer cured. As triumph said AIDs is almost entirely preventable. Other than some environmentally-influenced cancers like lung, for instance, cancer is in many cases not realistically preventable. I'll never get AIDs because I'm smart. I can't say the same about cancer.

Further, cancer kills a LOT more people than AIDs does.

AIDs will massacre Africa, but starvation is massacring africa anyway. Education and economic/social/political reform should be their meal ticket, not a feint hope of some doctor from the west coming out with a $25 vaccination.

Although cancer benefits are found from AIDs research the best benefits for cancer treatments are found from cancer research.

I wouldn't want research entirely taken away frmo AIDs, but as with any medical approach there are diminishing returns. If we throw $10 B at AIDS maybe it's solved in 50 years. If we through $50 B at it, it may be solved in 30 years instead. The same can be said of cancer, but I'd rather see those diminishing returns thrown into cancer rather than AIDs, if you've got to pick one of them.

I agree with this... if it came to a point where resources were only limited to curing one thing or the other, I'd choose cancer as well... especially since my under got stomach cancer in his 20s However, everyone makes mistakes at one time or another, and as I mentioned in a post a loooong time, there was one point in my life where I had sex (for the first time) with this slut @ a Christian concert... she pretty much took control as I just laid there for the first time. Yes, it was a mistake and I should have told her to stop pleasuring me (??? lol) but just like speeding in a car, or smoking a cigarette, I made a mistake. I was really worried I probably got either an STD or got her pregnant... luckily niether happened, but it would really do this world a disservice if I were to die from one of my only mistakes ever. (If you can't pull the sarcasm out of that last sentence, please end yourself.)

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Triumph

Red Dawn - The AT member most skilled at rebutting logical arguments with personal insults and derision. You can't even engage in a conversation with someone you disagree with, without resorting to that. Happens in every controversial thread that you partake in. So truly, who is the simple minded buffoon?

Obviously you are

Who's to say that those breakthroughs wouldn't have been made while researching cures for other diseases? I have a friend who has Lupus, another immune system related disease, developed through no fault of her own. Maybe we should've spent $750 million researching Lupus instead, because we might've accidentally found a cure for AIDS. By your "logic", that's what should be done.

If Lupus had the potential to cause hundreds of millions of deaths it would have been. I think the problem here is that you are either a Homophobe or a latent Homosexual trying hard not to be one.

Thank you for proving my point, Red. No rebuttals out of your mouth other than name calling and childish insults. Really, it's like arguing with a 3 year old.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Triumph

Red Dawn - The AT member most skilled at rebutting logical arguments with personal insults and derision. You can't even engage in a conversation with someone you disagree with, without resorting to that. Happens in every controversial thread that you partake in. So truly, who is the simple minded buffoon?

Obviously you are

Who's to say that those breakthroughs wouldn't have been made while researching cures for other diseases? I have a friend who has Lupus, another immune system related disease, developed through no fault of her own. Maybe we should've spent $750 million researching Lupus instead, because we might've accidentally found a cure for AIDS. By your "logic", that's what should be done.

If Lupus had the potential to cause hundreds of millions of deaths it would have been. I think the problem here is that you are either a Homophobe or a latent Homosexual trying hard not to be one.

Thank you for proving my point, Red. No rebuttals out of your mouth other than name calling and childish insults. Really, it's like arguing with a 3 year old.

Then hows it feel to be out debated by a 3 year old?

 

[virtueixi]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: virtueixi
10% of ppl from european ethnicity are actually immune to HIV. The receptor that HIV latches on to is mutated.

link to peer reviewed journal article confirming this please!!

This is all I could find.

Our profesor mentioned it in class. I'm sure there are a lot more studies though, this one isn't the best.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: Red DawnThen hows it feel to be out debated by a 3 year old?

Here's a paraphrase of our debate:

Triumph: It is more cost effective to research diseases other than AIDS. More lives can be saved.
Red Dawn: You're a buffoon and a homophobe! You like men and you're keeping it in the closet! I WIN TIHS DEBATE!!!11!

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: virtueixi

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: virtueixi
10% of ppl from european ethnicity are actually immune to HIV. The receptor that HIV latches on to is mutated.

link to peer reviewed journal article confirming this please!!

This is all I could find.

Our profesor mentioned it in class. I'm sure there are a lot more studies though, this one isn't the best.

I have heard that same, and on top of that, the reason why it is so:

This same mutation apparently was an evolutionary advantage in surviving the plague in the middle ages. Impossible to prove, but a good hypothesis.

 

[Deeko]

Any of you fvcks who thinks that all AIDS research should be stopped because its so easily preventable should be shot. You realize that you can get HIV if you wear a condom. Ever have oral sex? I bet you used a condom then, didn't you? Oh wait...no one does. No one uses moisture barriers either. And while its uncommon, it IS possible to contract AIDS that way. So say some girl you end up marrying got it through oral sex, and being your wife, you naturally have unprotected sex with her. Guess what? Now you, AND your children, have HIV. You people really should keep your ignorant mouths shut until you become educated. Oral sex aside, you act like if you have unprotected sex you deserve to die. While it isn't the smartest thing you can do, one small, momentary lapse in judgement should not mean a long, expense, painful death.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: virtueixi

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: virtueixi
10% of ppl from european ethnicity are actually immune to HIV. The receptor that HIV latches on to is mutated.

link to peer reviewed journal article confirming this please!!

This is all I could find.

Our profesor mentioned it in class. I'm sure there are a lot more studies though, this one isn't the best.

Thats interesting.