Possibility that Nvidia intentionally held back performance.

[Keysplayr]

Linky to Inquirer that has a link to benches.

Take it as you will. It's the inquirer.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Linky to Inquirer that has a link to benches.

Take it as you will. It's the inquirer.

Good post... Good post... I was curious though, were the increase in framerates only in lower resolutions with a Dual Core/Dual Processor CPU? If this performance increase is for us single core users, that would be great. I will still wait for the official release of the benchmarks. I hope they did not attempt to lower the IQ of this and focused on fixing the shimmering completely. Time will tell, great post.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Linky to Inquirer that has a link to benches.

Take it as you will. It's the inquirer.

Good post... Good post... I was curious though, were the increase in framerates only in lower resolutions with a Dual Core/Dual Processor CPU? If this performance increase is for us single core users, that would be great. I will still wait for the official release of the benchmarks. I hope they did not attempt to lower the IQ of this and focused on fixing the shimmering completely. Time will tell, great post.

Good question! I don't know if image quality will be degraded or if the cards performance was just held back on purpose via drivers. Kind of like playing possum.
And I read that the 80 series drivers were supposed to offer around 20 to 30 percent improvement on multicore CPU rigs, but only heard it offered about 5 percent. Beta however. Looking forward to the final release myself and official benches.

 

[McArra]

IQ in 81.26s is great in XG modded version at least, I love this set.

 

[kumarshah]

Any idea whether it improves performace for the 6800 NU?

Thanks.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: McArra
IQ in 81.26s is great in XG modded version at least, I love this set.

another vote for XG

they do a damn fine job

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: kumarshah

Any idea whether it improves performace for the 6800 NU?

Thanks.

Well, McArra and Otis both have 6800GT's. So they would know best I suppose.

 

[Ackmed]

I dont think they would. I for one, as a consumer, would be mad.

edit, I also have serious doubts to the alleged 10fps more in every game comment. They dont say what games, settings or anything. While I hope it is true, I really doubt it is.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I dont think they would. I for one, as a consumer, would be mad.

edit, I also have serious doubts to the alleged 10fps more in every game comment. They dont say what games, settings or anything. While I hope it is true, I really doubt it is.

I expect you would be mad. You can't really take these things personally. Like I said, it is a "possibility" that they were holding back, but will never admit they did. They will most likely say they just worked very hard on new drivers to give the consumer even more bang for their money. So, if its true, you could very well be happy that you may be getting more performance for your hard earned money for free. It can be looked at both ways.

 

[solofly]

Smart move...

 

[Powermoloch]

like many post before...

FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

it's a possibility

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I dont think they would. I for one, as a consumer, would be mad.

edit, I also have serious doubts to the alleged 10fps more in every game comment. They dont say what games, settings or anything. While I hope it is true, I really doubt it is.

I expect you would be mad. You can't really take these things personally. Like I said, it is a "possibility" that they were holding back, but will never admit they did. They will most likely say they just worked very hard on new drivers to give the consumer even more bang for their money. So, if its true, you could very well be happy that you may be getting more performance for your hard earned money for free. It can be looked at both ways.

You wouldnt be mad? I would be pretty ticked. Why? Because I could have gotten better frames in the games I play for the last several months. If a company was to do this, they would be screwing over their customers, and I would take that personally.

Its my opinion however that they wouldnt do this, and that these new drivers wont be faster for me. At least not 10frames. I dont doubt that they can get a few more frames, under certain circumstances, I do have doubts it will be an across the board raise in frames.

 

[imported_Grave]

If this is real NVIDIA made great move. Another knife in ATI's back.

 

[nitromullet]

Its my opinion however that they wouldnt do this, and that these new drivers wont be faster for me. At least not 10frames. I dont doubt that they can get a few more frames, under certain circumstances, I do have doubts it will be an across the board raise in frames.

Well, you have the card and te beta drivers are available, so there really isn't any reason for you have to speculate. That being said 10FPS accross the board is doubtful, not to mention that the claim is just kind of stupid. Wouldn't a more appropriate way to state a performance increase be in percentage?

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Its my opinion however that they wouldnt do this, and that these new drivers wont be faster for me. At least not 10frames. I dont doubt that they can get a few more frames, under certain circumstances, I do have doubts it will be an across the board raise in frames.

Well, you have the card and te beta drivers are available, so there really isn't any reason for you have to speculate. That being said 10FPS accross the board is doubtful, not to mention that the claim is just kind of stupid. Wouldn't a more appropriate way to state a performance increase be in percentage?

I am sure Anand will test them when they come out officially... Then we can refer to this thread and and go through the past posts... Better be quick though, or people will edit out what they really said .

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Grave
If this is real NVIDIA made great move. Another knife in ATI's back.

Well, it's only great if they got the gains with hard work as opposed to neutering the cards on the first go round to make the new driver appear better. IMO, that would be a knife in everybody's back. Especially since the early adoptors (like myself) paid more for the early boards than people who will be getting their cards now. The t-shirt I got with my card wouldn't really make up for that.

That being said, I think that is a pretty bold accusation on the inq's part, and I hope they have more to back that up other then, "these drivers are faster".

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Grave
If this is real NVIDIA made great move. Another knife in ATI's back.

Well, it's only great if they got the gains with hard work as opposed to neutering the cards on the first go round to make the new driver appear better. IMO, that would be a knife in everybody's back. Especially since the early adoptors (like myself) paid more for the early boards than people who will be getting their cards now. The t-shirt I got with my card wouldn't really make up for that.

That being said, I think that is a pretty bold accusation on the inq's part, and I hope they have more to back that up other then, "these drivers are faster".

Well, it is difficult to say at this point. I mean, for intance, maybe it was a secret from within the driver team? Maybe a few of the driver programmers who were assigned to a section limited it? Meaning, it might not have been the company itself, rather a few employees in the company that would limit this performance so they can look good later? Far Fetched? Yeah, but so is everything these days.

 

[M0RPH]

So Nvidia made a half-hearted attempt to fix their image quality issues (texture shimmering) and now they are back to optimizing for impressive benchmarks. From what I understand the speed increases come mainly at lower resolutions without AA/AF. Doesn't really help the gamers using 7800GT/GTX but it will look good on benchmark graphs against R520 I guess.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
So Nvidia made a half-hearted attempt to fix their image quality issues (texture shimmering) and now they are back to optimizing for impressive benchmarks. From what I understand the speed increases come mainly at lower resolutions without AA/AF. Doesn't really help the gamers using 7800GT/GTX but it will look good on benchmark graphs against R520 I guess.

Could you provide a link? I want to know where you received your "understanding".

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Grave
If this is real NVIDIA made great move. Another knife in ATI's back.

Well, it's only great if they got the gains with hard work as opposed to neutering the cards on the first go round to make the new driver appear better. IMO, that would be a knife in everybody's back. Especially since the early adoptors (like myself) paid more for the early boards than people who will be getting their cards now. The t-shirt I got with my card wouldn't really make up for that.

That being said, I think that is a pretty bold accusation on the inq's part, and I hope they have more to back that up other then, "these drivers are faster".

Well, it is difficult to say at this point. I mean, for intance, maybe it was a secret from within the driver team? Maybe a few of the driver programmers who were assigned to a section limited it? Meaning, it might not have been the company itself, rather a few employees in the company that would limit this performance so they can look good later? Far Fetched? Yeah, but so is everything these days.

I'm not in any way saying that it's not possible, and there are easily a dozen scenarios that we could dream up if we tried. What I'm saying is that if the Inq doesn't have a single shred of evidence to support the claim, than it is purely speculation on their part and that it could probably be construed as libel.

 

[Killrose]

Did'nt nVidia "release" a driver set to hardware reveiw sites only when ATi released the 8500 or 9700? I remember something like this awhile back. They were Beta drivers only given to reveiw sites to use against the latest ATi release and did'nt make it to WHQL because they sucked at anything but a benchmark apps.

I hope this is'nt the same sort of stunt. And I hope they benefit 6800U users like myself.

 

[johnnqq]

mindshare can suck my balls...

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Grave
If this is real NVIDIA made great move. Another knife in ATI's back.

Well, it's only great if they got the gains with hard work as opposed to neutering the cards on the first go round to make the new driver appear better. IMO, that would be a knife in everybody's back. Especially since the early adoptors (like myself) paid more for the early boards than people who will be getting their cards now. The t-shirt I got with my card wouldn't really make up for that.

That being said, I think that is a pretty bold accusation on the inq's part, and I hope they have more to back that up other then, "these drivers are faster".

Well, it is difficult to say at this point. I mean, for intance, maybe it was a secret from within the driver team? Maybe a few of the driver programmers who were assigned to a section limited it? Meaning, it might not have been the company itself, rather a few employees in the company that would limit this performance so they can look good later? Far Fetched? Yeah, but so is everything these days.

I'm not in any way saying that it's not possible, and there are easily a dozen scenarios that we could dream up if we tried. What I'm saying is that if the Inq doesn't have a single shred of evidence to support the claim, than it is purely speculation on their part and that it could probably be construed as libel.

Agreed.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Killrose
Did'nt nVidia "release" a driver set to hardware reveiw sites only when ATi released the 8500 or 9700? I remember something like this awhile back. They were Beta drivers only given to reveiw sites to use against the latest ATi release and did'nt make it to WHQL because they sucked at anything but a benchmark apps.

I hope this is'nt the same sort of stunt. And I hope they benefit 6800U users like myself.

Basically. Anand later said they would only use drivers that were officially relesae. Obvoiusly that didnt last long.

 

[aggressor]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
So Nvidia made a half-hearted attempt to fix their image quality issues (texture shimmering) and now they are back to optimizing for impressive benchmarks. From what I understand the speed increases come mainly at lower resolutions without AA/AF. Doesn't really help the gamers using 7800GT/GTX but it will look good on benchmark graphs against R520 I guess.

The default for almost all review sites that I've seen is 1280x1024 and 1600x1200 with AA both on and off, so I don't see it helping much if that's true.