Porn

[MongGrel]

Not looking.

 

[manimal]

They never wanted money?

dont be stupid. Would you be ok with your kids being prostitutes?

 

[Jaepheth]

Fine. I know when to surrender.

Looks awful young for pulsar porn... like, not even 5 billion yet.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Riiiight...my guess is that would be kind of like asking Comcast about internet policy/pricing...

The adult film industry doesn't want questions asked. That's why interviews with women involved in them differ so much from when the girls are in the business (and coached, directed before/during interviews) and when they are out of it.

I won't judge what someone does or doesn't want to do but there's not way you put any quantifiable amount of lipstick on the pig of the porn business model and make it attractive. Porn is probably one of the worst industries in this world in scale of disregard for destroying lives. In the porn business, the premise of "success" is built upon preying upon, using up completely, and then tossing aside of human lives. Porn producers/directors/agents seek those out who are weakest; whether that be weakest emotionally, mentally, or physically (monetarily mostly). They know that most of the girls getting into the business have no real concept of what's going on and the long-term consequences of what they're doing. They know most have no real clue of what they are signing. They are just looking for an 18-year old who can sign a contract...any contract. It is the extreme minority when a woman enters the business knowing full well the whole picture and having a plan as such. Porn actors, directors, producers, etc actually do not like working with such women as the profit margins for them (business interests) are much smaller than the weaker ones mentioned above.

This insight comes from interaction with a couple of media giants in the porn industry.

You could pretty much remove ever reference to porn and substitute NFL and your entire tirade would be just as valid.

 

[Jeff7]

no girl or boy ever grew up wanting to be a prostitute.

They never wanted money?

Or replace "prostitute" with any of the hundreds upon hundreds of jobs that are quite unpleasant or somewhat taboo to do.

 

[mmntech]

There has always been an interest in porn, going back to when the photographic camera was first invented. In the '50's, '60's and early '70's it was magazines and 8mm film then with the invention of the VCR the porn industry literally exploded, now you could rent or buy hours of porn and watch it in the privacy of your own home, before there were X-rated theaters where one had to go but many did not want to be seen in "that" part of town. I worked at a VCR tape rental place, porn was about 50% of our rentals, now we have the internet in where the amount and variety is staggering and 2-3 mouse clicks away, maybe a computer can be "locked down" so porn sites cannot be viewed?, I don't know how effective it would be though, kids have a way of getting around parental controls. I guess IMO the only real downside is young teens exposed to limitless amount of porn will wind up viewing a female as a sex toy and not a person or will spend so much time fapping to all the fresh porn he will not bother to try and initiate a real relationship until much later than normal.

Pretty much this.

Prior to the internet, porn wasn't in abundance. 20 years ago, your average teenage boy had to rely on his imagination and maybe the bra section of the Sears catalog. Finding an old Playboy was like hitting pay dirt. So men back then were forced to develop relationships with the opposite sex if they wanted to get some action. Today all you need is your hand and maybe some lube.

There's a near limitless supply of porn on the internet. That feeds in to our primal desire for constant novelty. The male brain is designed to seek out as many potential mates as possible. It can't tell the difference if a mate is real, or an image on a screen. Especially if that's ingrained from a young age. With unlimited women, porn tricks your brain into thinking it's hit the genetic jackpot. Thus your reward centre compels you to seek out more and more while the getting is still good.

When it comes to teenage brains, excessive porn use leads to pruning of neural pathways that seek out healthy relationships in exchange for artificial ones. Which is why so many young men find it difficult to kick the porn habit, even though they consciously want to. Your brain has rewired itself to believe that this is normal. So they forego real relationships, or struggle to perform sexually with real women.

The darker side is the men who attempt to transfer their porn fetishes to real partners. Porn can indeed lead to anger and violence against women. Though I believe this is pretty rare. However, it's still an issue we need to be aware of. There real problem is the greying between fantasy and reality. Some folks just can't tell the difference.

Physically speaking, excessive fapping has also been linked to low testosterone levels. Which is probably why so many addicts feel like they've gained "superpowers" after they quit.

Since Gary Wilson did his TED Talk a few years back, there's been a growing body of scientific evidence to support this. Cambridge University released a study earlier this year showing similar brain wiring between drug addicts and self proclaimed porn addicts. It's been getting more media attention as well now that legitimate studies are corroborating the theory.

Now that's not to say all men who watch porn will become addicts. It's like alcohol. Some people can have a drink once in a while and they're fine. Some drink compulsively. Like all addictions, it's rooted in other mental health issues. They're trying to fill a hole in their lives. In the case of porn addicts, it's not necessarily sexual either. Many addicts report lower overall sex drive.

I think a lot of it stems from anxiety issues. Fear of being alone. Fear of being judged. Addicts turn to something that's always there and never judges them, no matter how perverted/bad/worthless they feel they are. Yet it creates a feedback loop of shame, which drives anxiety, which leads to heavier use, which leads to greater shame. The cycle continues until you hit rock bottom. Your brain eventually becomes numb to the world around you. You loose all drive and motivation. You just sit their with your dick in your hands wondering what the hell you're doing and feeling like you're worthless. It's not a good place to be. Fortunately, it is reversible.

NoFap on Reddit is probably the best online support group. There's also r/PornFree, but they're a bit off the wall in there.

What addicts need to understand is that neither themselves or porn is inherently evil, and not all everyone who uses it are addicts or bad people. Also that quitting is not the be-all-end-all if the root causes aren't addressed. You just have to start dealing with your own shit like an adult instead of a child. On the other hand, non-addicts/casual porn users have to understand that porn addicts do exist, that they have a legitimate problem, and that help should be available when they seek it out.

As for it being filmed prostitution, well yeah, of course it is. The porn industry though is closer to illicit drugs or even free-to-play gaming. They give you a taste for free, then wait for the whales to drop loads of cash to get their fix. Don't let them lull you into thinking they're martyrs of free speech either. I don't think it should be banned, but they are running a business. It's all about money, not civil rights.

I doubt many of the performers are there out of a genuine desire to appear in adult films. A lot of them come for a quick buck and get themselves wrapped up in the fast lifestyle. It's hard living though, and burns them out real quick. Unfortunately some don't survive thanks to a rather lax attitude towards job safety. Sure they test their performers for STIs, but look at the kerfuffle over condom regulations in California. No other industry would get away with that without big lawsuits.

 

[MongGrel]

I'd say Sears catalog might have been more like 40 years ago.

 

[rsbennett00]

Riiiight...my guess is that would be kind of like asking Comcast about internet policy/pricing...

The adult film industry doesn't want questions asked. That's why interviews with women involved in them differ so much from when the girls are in the business (and coached, directed before/during interviews) and when they are out of it.

I won't judge what someone does or doesn't want to do but there's not way you put any quantifiable amount of lipstick on the pig of the porn business model and make it attractive. Porn is probably one of the worst industries in this world in scale of disregard for destroying lives. In the porn business, the premise of "success" is built upon preying upon, using up completely, and then tossing aside of human lives. Porn producers/directors/agents seek those out who are weakest; whether that be weakest emotionally, mentally, or physically (monetarily mostly). They know that most of the girls getting into the business have no real concept of what's going on and the long-term consequences of what they're doing. They know most have no real clue of what they are signing. They are just looking for an 18-year old who can sign a contract...any contract. It is the extreme minority when a woman enters the business knowing full well the whole picture and having a plan as such. Porn actors, directors, producers, etc actually do not like working with such women as the profit margins for them (business interests) are much smaller than the weaker ones mentioned above.

This insight comes from interaction with a couple of media giants in the porn industry.

The giants might be like that, but like your original analogy, not all of us are comcast. I work for a very tiny studio. We have 10 salaried employees, 6 of which are the video production crew. We mainly operate in a huge college town so yes we do a lot of 18 year old amateur college chicks but the contracts they sign are only for the scene(s) they film, nothing more, and it's basically just signing away any rights to the video (which go to the company contracting us for the scene). All of our contracts are per scene, never per person. We'll work with almost any woman we get a scene contract for and we pay the industry standard rate ($10k) unless the contract specifies otherwise.

All I'm saying is, yes there are devils in our industry, pretty much like any other industry, but don't lump us all together.

 

[TheFamilyMan]

The giants might be like that, but like your original analogy, not all of us are comcast. I work for a very tiny studio. We have 10 salaried employees, 6 of which are the video production crew. We mainly operate in a huge college town so yes we do a lot of 18 year old amateur college chicks but the contracts they sign are only for the scene(s) they film, nothing more, and it's basically just signing away any rights to the video (which go to the company contracting us for the scene). All of our contracts are per scene, never per person. We'll work with almost any woman we get a scene contract for and we pay the industry standard rate ($10k) unless the contract specifies otherwise.

All I'm saying is, yes there are devils in our industry, pretty much like any other industry, but don't lump us all together.

You're lumped together by default operating in the industry you are in. You are set up in a huge college town as that is the best hunting grounds for your particular genre. Simple predator and prey scenario at work. You're entangling many unwitting, young girls into doing something that will end up ruining or damaging their lives in many aspects while at the same time making you lots of money. It's all about the money...you could give two shits about what they may go through afterwards so please don't try and dissociate yourself with the industry giants. Only difference between you and them is the size of P&L and balance sheet. Same practices, same collateral damage, same predatory nature.

And to the other poster who compared porn to the NFL...try again, kid.

 

[Jeff7]

You're lumped together by default operating in the industry you are in. You are set up in a huge college town as that is the best hunting grounds for your particular genre. Simple predator and prey scenario at work. You're entangling many unwitting, young girls into doing something that will end up ruining or damaging their lives in many aspects while at the same time making you lots of money. It's all about the money...you could give two shits about what they may go through afterwards so please don't try and dissociate yourself with the industry giants. Only difference between you and them is the size of P&L and balance sheet. Same practices, same collateral damage, same predatory nature.

And to the other poster who compared porn to the NFL...try again, kid.

And engineering companies can set up shop in towns with an engineering college, ready to prey on young engineers fresh out of college and in need of jobs, or students who are looking for internships - unpaid internships if they can get away with it.

In short, the practices you describe sound like they could apply to how many businesses operate; at the same time, plenty of businesses don't operate that way, and seek to acquire and retain talented workers long-term and ensure that they are adequately compensated for their work.




Anything involving sex is just something that our culture tends to view as somewhat taboo, and so things that are affiliated with it are often seen through a different filter.

 

[rsbennett00]

You're lumped together by default operating in the industry you are in. You are set up in a huge college town as that is the best hunting grounds for your particular genre. Simple predator and prey scenario at work. You're entangling many unwitting, young girls into doing something that will end up ruining or damaging their lives in many aspects while at the same time making you lots of money. It's all about the money...you could give two shits about what they may go through afterwards so please don't try and dissociate yourself with the industry giants. Only difference between you and them is the size of P&L and balance sheet. Same practices, same collateral damage, same predatory nature.

I take issue with the "will end up" part.

You could say the same thing about almost any industry. Let's take higher education for instance. They prey on unwitting high school kids and suck them into something that could end up ruining or damaging their lives in many aspects while at the same time making a ton of money.

It sounds like you have some larger issues going on.

 

[MongGrel]

Someone *preying* on young engineers is a pretty funny concept, you'd think anyone that even went the trouble to get that degree would be brighter than that.

From some of the Engineers I've seen the last few decades I should have an honorary one, I've mostly improved their designs and built their prototypes.

Is a moot point, but we have a lot of really clueless young engineers where I work atm, I'm thinking of moving on myself soon if current things keep going on.

Would be in the current field of other toolmaker/programmers that have done the same in the place, on of the only reason I have even stuck around is to learn MasterCam more and I'm the only one knows how to use it in there atm.

The whole shop getting a tune up soon attitude wise or I'm going elsewhere.

 

[MongGrel]

Think of Game of Thrones.

A good Journeyman Tool and Diemaker used to be more or less a Sell Sword in the manufacturing world.

I've probably stayed where I am too long, the wife got a 10K raise this year and catching up to me, if I do not see something similar I may move along.

At least she is almost up to what to she used to make, I'm probably shy 20 grand or more.

Still ahead of her, I need to get her in the forums, but she'd be flaming me all night, I won't drag her from FB.

 

[John Connor]

Guy is a pussy!

Violence not found you boojwah foreign trash!

 

[Muse]

My experience is that a lot of porn is twisted, misses the point. Like Chuck Berry said, there's nothing wrong with sex, don't let anybody tell you there's anything wrong with sex. That's very close to an exact quote, or maybe word for word.,

I couldn't watch that video, at least now on this machine, it's just not loading smoothly.

Anyway, as a guy I like sexy girls who aren't too self conscious, are aware of their desires, are good looking and want to turn you on and be turned on. Simple, really, that's what I like to get out of "porn." I don't care for the sleazy stuff, and the stuff I do like is a win win situation. I've seen a lot of pictures and the ones I really like I have the impression that the girl didn't take her clothes off and get photographed particularly for money (or any money), but because she was burning with desire and/or generally tired of hiding her beautiful body behind her clothes and circumstances. Generally they don't have agendas, and are willing to call a spade a spade.

Myself, I don't associate sex with violence. Sex is sex.

 

[Muse]

Riiiight...my guess is that would be kind of like asking Comcast about internet policy/pricing...

The adult film industry doesn't want questions asked. That's why interviews with women involved in them differ so much from when the girls are in the business (and coached, directed before/during interviews) and when they are out of it.

I won't judge what someone does or doesn't want to do but there's not way you put any quantifiable amount of lipstick on the pig of the porn business model and make it attractive. Porn is probably one of the worst industries in this world in scale of disregard for destroying lives. In the porn business, the premise of "success" is built upon preying upon, using up completely, and then tossing aside of human lives. Porn producers/directors/agents seek those out who are weakest; whether that be weakest emotionally, mentally, or physically (monetarily mostly). They know that most of the girls getting into the business have no real concept of what's going on and the long-term consequences of what they're doing. They know most have no real clue of what they are signing. They are just looking for an 18-year old who can sign a contract...any contract. It is the extreme minority when a woman enters the business knowing full well the whole picture and having a plan as such. Porn actors, directors, producers, etc actually do not like working with such women as the profit margins for them (business interests) are much smaller than the weaker ones mentioned above.

This insight comes from interaction with a couple of media giants in the porn industry.

I haven't seen anything like that in a really long time. I once kind of stumbled into a guy party where we sat and watched some porn, it was my introduction. Some of that stuff was really good, most not at all, the guys had a hard time keeping it up 1/2 the time. I remember seeing one segment where a guy and girl were screwing and obviously totally into it, but that seems to be rare in porn. I figure, why waste my time?

 

[Pulsar]

And engineering companies can set up shop in towns with an engineering college, ready to prey on young engineers fresh out of college and in need of jobs, or students who are looking for internships - unpaid internships if they can get away with it.

In short, the practices you describe sound like they could apply to how many businesses operate; at the same time, plenty of businesses don't operate that way, and seek to acquire and retain talented workers long-term and ensure that they are adequately compensated for their work.

Anything involving sex is just something that our culture tends to view as somewhat taboo, and so things that are affiliated with it are often seen through a different filter.

Let's not be intellectually dishonest. If you actually watch the video, he makes a very compelling argument on how porn affects the young in our culture. I can't do it justice in a few sentences so I'm not going to try. However, his commentary on how it affects the mindset of our youth in regards to their expectations is dead on. His discourse on how the porn industry chews up young girls and spits them out is also correct.

Our culture (in the US) is certainly sexually repressed. I don't happen to be one of those people, and my wife and I have enjoyed porn in the past. But I think I'm going to back off it in the future.

 

[Pulsar]

boojwah foreign trash!

So classy.

 

[MovieBuff]

Video is too long, but I doubt I'll ever stop watching porn on my favorite porn site http://theporndude.com/

 

[Printer Bandit]

Porn has led
To
A
Decrease in

Rape
Prostitution

 

[Brian Stirling]

Very nice. I always skip to the coronal mass ejection scene.

Why? That's the money shot!


Brian

 

[MrRamon]

Wow, just wow. It is very hard to respond to this as a person who supports porn and can see both sides of the argument.

 

[zinfamous]

boojwah foreign trash!

what is this?

 

[Mai72]

There has always been an interest in porn, going back to when the photographic camera was first invented. In the '50's, '60's and early '70's it was magazines and 8mm film then with the invention of the VCR the porn industry literally exploded, now you could rent or buy hours of porn and watch it in the privacy of your own home, before there were X-rated theaters where one had to go but many did not want to be seen in "that" part of town. I worked at a VCR tape rental place, porn was about 50% of our rentals, now we have the internet in where the amount and variety is staggering and 2-3 mouse clicks away, maybe a computer can be "locked down" so porn sites cannot be viewed?, I don't know how effective it would be though, kids have a way of getting around parental controls. I guess IMO the only real downside is young teens exposed to limitless amount of porn will wind up viewing a female as a sex toy and not a person or will spend so much time fapping to all the fresh porn he will not bother to try and initiate a real relationship until much later than normal.

When I was in South Korea the government did a pretty good job of limiting porn online.

I guess you can always use a VPN to bypass the security.

 

[moonbogg]

Porn leads to pain, tears and violence, but these effects are not immediate. They are delayed by about 9 months.