Porn in the USA: Conservatives Are Biggest Consumers

[Fern]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Fern
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"Teh facts" that you're speaking of aren't really facts at all. It's you asking yourself a series of questions and then inserting your personal opinion.

In fact, the original article simply pointed out some basic facts that they noticed when examining the data: 8 out of 10 of the biggest consumers of porn are red states that voted "R" in the 2008 elections. It's certainly an interesting trend, right? I think it's pretty obvious from this survey alone who's more interested in porn.

Feel free to ignore the data though.

Tha 'facts' are that it was an anonymous survey, no political leanings are known of the porn users.

Another fact is that broadband connections show a porn user rate of approx .005 in the highest of red states.

Another fact is that those states have a population higher than .005 of Dems or independants or even apolitical people living in those states.

Another fact is they try to explain this by attributing that .005 primarily to Conservatives (they do so in their title), and their own article admints no basis for doing so.

Another fact is that there are other reasonable conclusions to draw about such usage (unavailablity of porn from sources other than the internet for non-conservatives living in conservative areas.

The title could just as well have been "Porn users forced to indulge online in conservative areas...".

The article is BS, like the generalizations appearing here.

Fern

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Fern
ATP&N proves it's stupidity once again.

Republican=Conservative=Christian (Nope!)

There are plenty of conservatives who aren't Christian, contrary to the apparent believe of many of you. H3ll, a lot of conservatives I've known would be better classified as pot smoking atheists. Generalizations FTL!

Wrong. You can't talk about pretty much any groups in politics if you require a 100% rate of everyone in a group and avoid accurate generalizations.

There is a massive evangelical Christian group, and they are very highly correlated to Republican politics in 2000 and 2004, and Republicans have them as one core group.

Of course there are other core groups for Republicans - no one said otherwise. And there are - to a lesser extent - religious groups who are more neutral and even liberal.

But look at the numbers, and the generalization made here - the evangelicals who are the main group with the 'social conservative' agenda - are highly Republican.

And the 'heaviest' user state was Utah with 5.47 porn user per 1,000 connections (probably more than 1,000 users unless every account had only person using it - unlikely).

You think maybe even in the reddest states there might be at least 5 Libs out of a thousand conservatives? I'd say more like 4 out of 10.

Your logic is wrong. If they looked *only* at Salt Lake City, you would have an argument that maybe all 5 in 1000 were liberals - but for that to hold up, the theory that the liberals are really the ones with the higher interest rate in porn, you would have to find if you looked at a more liberal city that the rate went up, not down.

Given that liberal cities were included and had a *lower* rate disproves your theory. Peak social conservatives correlating with peak porn interes contradicts your argument.

In case this isn't clear, let's say the issue was support for gay marriage, sudying San Francisco and Salt Lake City. Say tje report shows 1% are interested in sex orgy parties. Now, I could say, "maybe that 1% are the straight Republicans, surely there are 1% who are straight Republicans", fine - but then when the study shows a far lower rate of interest in Salt Lake City, who has a higher rate of straight Republicans, that claim falls apart.

Plus, if you're in Utah (or some other red states) where the heck else are you gonna get porn but the internent? In a lot of smaller towns in conservative areas (not all) 'adult" stores are not allowed.

Fern

That's bull too, the competitive advantages of internet porn are there over adult stores regardless - and SLC has plenty of access to the telephione and mail order for DVD's etc.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Well we know conservatives are closet gays so it's probably the gay porn industry that's thriving in the conservative states

LOL, and of course as a rule the conservatives are older and might need a little something extra to "float their boat".

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Fern

Tha 'facts' are that it was an anonymous survey, no political leanings are known of the porn users.

Another fact is that broadband connections show a porn user rate of approx .005 in the highest of red states.

Another fact is that those states have a population higher than .005 of Dems or independants or even apolitical people living in those states.

Another fact is they try to explain this by attributing that .005 primarily to Conservatives (they do so in their title), and their own article admints no basis for doing so.

Another fact is that there are other reasonable conclusions to draw about such usage (unavailablity of porn from sources other than the internet for non-conservatives living in conservative areas.

The title could just as well have been "Porn users forced to indulge online in conservative areas...".

The article is BS, like the generalizations appearing here.

Fern

Huh? You wanted them to do a non-anonymous survey about porn usage? Why the hell would any idiot do that? The only time you would conduct a non-anonymous survey about porn purchasing habits is if you wanted to measure how much the average American lies about their porn habits.

The article notes a correlation with conservative politics and porn consumption based on a nationwide sample. While there may be confounds not accounted for (like the availability of porn from local shops... although I HIGHLY doubt that accounts for the disparity), the fact that political ideology wasn't specifically asked of the survey subjects doesn't matter at all, particularly with such a large sample size. Stats 101 man.

 

[GenHoth]

Jesus Christ, so red states watch porn too. SO FUCKING WHAT?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: GenHoth
Jesus Christ, so red states watch porn too. SO FUCKING WHAT?

The topic is hypocrisy.

 

[chess9]

Originally posted by: GenHoth
Jesus Christ, so red states watch porn too. SO FUCKING WHAT?

You must not be selling porn!

-Robert

 

[GenHoth]

Originally posted by: chess9

Originally posted by: GenHoth
Jesus Christ, so red states watch porn too. SO FUCKING WHAT?

You must not be selling porn!

-Robert

Haha, I wish!

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Pure rationalization. Who is more hung up on sex, liberals or conservatives? Who would be more interested in porn, the more or the less hung up?

Why the hell does anyone care?

What the hell do you mean, why does anybody care? Sexual repression is a disease. Half the country are conservatives. A huge segment of the American population are mentally ill. Mental illness is dangerous for all who live around the mentally ill. The mentally ill just elected a disaster for eight years of American catastrophe, from which we may not recover. Who the hell cares. The living, the breathing, the animated, the thinking, the conscious, the aware, anybody above the level of a slug. Pathetic that you even ask.

Who cares that the Taliban want to keep women in the dark ages. Jesus Christ on a stick. Could you please start using your head!

You're the one who wants porn to be illegal. Who's repressed again?

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

I'm not really sure what to make of this.

Even more confusing, an officially atheist state that is against pornography: Link

Pornography is illegal in China

You're right - that's quite baffling. Although, I can somewhat imagine folks designing non-religious arguments against porn. Perhaps believing that it degrades women, or something along those lines...

Not baffling at all; it's completely cultural. And that culture (and its mores) existed thousands of years before Mao.

In China, one just does NOT talk about sex openly with ANYone. I know a native Chinese woman (late twenties) who's now here in the U.S. who had a very difficult time relating to her American boyfriend because he wanted to openly discuss what she did and didn't like/want sexually. If there's that big a hangup - even in the privacy of the darkened bedroom with your significant other, you can imagine how mainstream Chinese view online sexual content.

This has nothing to do with "atheism," and everything do do with what's been passed down by untold generations of Chinese.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
It's funny, but the only people that have paid me to cleanup the porn on their computers were social conservatives. My liberal clients don't seem to have the same hangups about the subject.

The funniest one happened about 4 years ago. One afternoon the husband calls me asking me if I can come do a porn cleanup that same afternoon. 30 minutes later his wife calls me asking me to come check their system as she suspected her husband had been viewing porn. I ended up turning it down and canceling the appointment. Those pesky (sexually repressed) social conservatives

WHY WHY WHY didn't you 10x charge the husband (emergency cleaning), and 4x charge the wife (to find nothing), and then keep your damn mouth shut? You could have made some $$$$ and saved a marriage.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Fern
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The article notes a correlation with conservative politics and porn consumption based on a nationwide sample.
It does no such thing.

The users are not identified with any brand of politics. The author doesn't claim to find any significant difference between states. Moreover note the word the "states", even he doesn't attempt to extrapolate (i.e., "leap") this to individual users and their political preference. It's this article and you guys who are trying to say this state statistic further translates into individual correlation (i.e., conservative are biggest consumers)

The author himself notes a nationwide consistant pattern, unlike the dramatic article title (that claim is not be found in his published work this article is based on).

You might like to note that the author claims the biggest difference in subscrition rates is between urban and rural areas, urban areas have a 38% higher subscription rate. We know urban areas are more likely to be Dem than rural areas (we also have red/blue counties listed. No valid reason to atrribute high subscription in (blue) urban areas to red social conservative voters - and the author doesn't).

Youth, (higher) income and college degrees also indicate significantly higher porn subscrition rates; aren't these supposed to be predominately Dem voters?



While there may be confounds not accounted for (like the availability of porn from local shops... although I HIGHLY doubt that accounts for the disparity), the fact that political ideology wasn't specifically asked of the survey subjects doesn't matter at all, particularly with such a large sample size. Stats 101 man.
Stats my a$$. Some of you people need to work on understanding it before you run off jumping to conclusions.

Disparity? There's very little is the point of his paper. (Note the lowest state is also red)

Besides, you might actually have a look at the so-called disparity. He sets out 3 tables of the top 10 states with porn usage. Of the 3 tables only one reflects more blue state usage than red state. Somehow this is the table quoted/discussed? The others show reflect more blue states in the top 10 list. E.g., subscribers 'per thousand people' shows 8 out of the 10 are blue states by my count.

You guys should be a little more discriminating, and not just latch on to stuff because it supports your personal opinion.

IMO, another good case proving 'there are lies, danmed lies and statistics'. We have county-by-county breakdowns of red/blue voting, the author could have made this far more accurate. Me thinks he has an agenda (if only to get attention) and got where he wanted and stopped. (Listing of the counties that are red or blue is easily googled, so don't say it's too hard to find.)

But then again, why would the MSM be interested in using table 1 or 2? "OMG! more blue states subscribe to porn"

Link (pdf)

See bolded

Fern

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Pure rationalization. Who is more hung up on sex, liberals or conservatives? Who would be more interested in porn, the more or the less hung up?

Why the hell does anyone care?

What the hell do you mean, why does anybody care? Sexual repression is a disease. Half the country are conservatives. A huge segment of the American population are mentally ill. Mental illness is dangerous for all who live around the mentally ill. The mentally ill just elected a disaster for eight years of American catastrophe, from which we may not recover. Who the hell cares. The living, the breathing, the animated, the thinking, the conscious, the aware, anybody above the level of a slug. Pathetic that you even ask.

Who cares that the Taliban want to keep women in the dark ages. Jesus Christ on a stick. Could you please start using your head!

You're the one who wants porn to be illegal. Who's repressed again?

You are. You have repressed your humanity and your love of your fellow creature. Porn is filth that degrades the godliness of every child born into the world. It exists because people are sick. To allow porn to be legal is to denigrate the human spirit. Think of your little girl, if you have one, being used in porn. Porn is sickness and filth. I have no fear at all of where I stand. You tell me how I'm repressed. I'll also take your cigarette. I am my brother's keeper.

 

[BoberFett]

You're repressed Moonbeam, you just hate yourself too much to admit it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
You're repressed Moonbeam, you just hate yourself too much to admit it.

Very true. I am just like you. I have a breathing tube that keeps me alive, walls that protect me from awareness of my self hate. The only difference between you and me may be in experience.

On the one hand, I have been unmercifully honest from a child and piteously self analytical. By the time I was grown I had destroyed everything I ever was taught to believe. I had to let go of everything that was sacred to me. My walls crumbled and I suffered enormously. My real feelings came closer to the surface.

I then discovered an environment that encouraged me to feel what I feel. I experienced first hand the childhood origins of my self hate.

I am exactly like you, but I may know more about how you hate yourself than you do. We are all the same. I, like you, live mostly in denial. What I see is that I happen to know it. Do you?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: GenHoth
Jesus Christ, so red states watch porn too. SO FUCKING WHAT?

The topic is hypocrisy.

Exhibit A-D?

http://andrewsullivan.theatlan...3/the-porn-of-fox.html