Pope says...will the more conservative follow his lead?

[Cerpin Taxt]

But then you end up with automatons, basically robots that do exactly as commanded and in effect sin free, but the moment one has free will, even if created perfect, then they have the ability and choice to sin or not to.

Bullshit. God dammit, why can't you Christians think for yourselves instead of regurgitating the stupid shit you get spoon fed by moronic apologists?

Making a certain class of actions impossible does not make free will impossible. There are already plenty of things that are impossible for humans, and yet we still freely choose among the things that we can do. The fact that I can't fly by flapping my arms doesn't mean I can't freely choose ham or jam for breakfast.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Sure if using heroin is the same as going to Church with your neighbors.

Well that's the point, genius. Are you seriously suggesting that heroin addiction is a good thing because it feels good like going to church makes you feel good?

I guess if your were adept at using your brain you wouldn't be religious in the first place.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Cerpin you are not looking to have an adult discussion here it appears you want an argument its the internet nobody will change their opinions and admit you are right. I'd like to continue a adult discussion but all this talk of ignorance, and the jabs makes it difficult to continue.

 

[emperus]

Please do not project your own ignorance onto me. My argument is rational and it must be dealt with as such.


So children starving and girls being raped are actually good things in your worldview, because they achieve the greater purpose.

You are trying to rationalize a GOD. How ignorant does that sound? If something is truly omnipotent and omniscient as you say, do you think you in your minuscule understanding of life and the universe could rationalize it? Isn't that in itself irrational?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Muslims should apologize for terror that they did not participate in or endorse.

Blacks should apologize for crime because they disproportionately participate in it, even if an individual.

Whites should apologize for things they had no part in hundreds of years ago.

And of course Christians should apologize for things even if they opposed them.



Seems to me that each person is answerable for his or her own actions, but hey, that's just me.

 

[buckshot24]

This is why Buck & Retro probably both agree Trumps claim of being a great fundamentalist and has a close relationship with God but a sentence later he says he's never asked for forgiveness.

I don't believe his claim. I do not believe his faith is genuine.

 

[buckshot24]

You are trying to rationalize a GOD. How ignorant does that sound? If something is truly omnipotent and omniscient as you say, do you think you in your minuscule understanding of life and the universe could rationalize it? Isn't that in itself irrational?

It's nice to be on the same side of a debate for a change!

If he could fit it all in his little brain, no disrespect intended, he'd complain that proves God is man made.

 

[buckshot24]

Cerpin you are not looking to have an adult discussion here it appears you want an argument its the internet nobody will change their opinions and admit you are right. I'd like to continue a adult discussion but all this talk of ignorance, and the jabs makes it difficult to continue.

This is why I quit debating him, he's just too angry to talk about things like this seriously.

This is how dishonest he can get. We were talking about abiogenesis and he wanted me to prove that there was a time when no physical life existed. He's an angry anti-theist hack.

 

[buckshot24]

This is CT

 

[agent00f]

It's comical to believe that God must be "good" any more than a person stepping on ants must be.

Likewise, if the ants could think, they might believe getting stepped on is a result of their actions (let's call it ant-sin), which must be fixed to avoid the consequence.

Notice from the outside we can see how dumb those ants must be.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

You are trying to rationalize a GOD.

What God? I'm an atheist, remember? I'm analyzing theists' claims about an alleged God. If their claims are nonsense, then I know that they are not true.

How ignorant does that sound?

Not nearly as ignorant as arguing that your God is nonsensical and continuing to believe in it regardless.

If something is truly omnipotent and omniscient as you say, do you think you in your minuscule understanding of life and the universe could rationalize it?

Yes. Don't project your ignorance on me.

Isn't that in itself irrational?

No.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

This is CT

Can't debate me, so you'll just take pot shots from the peanut gallery. How pathetic.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Cerpin you are not looking to have an adult discussion

Bullshit. Adults don't believe in fairy tales.

here it appears you want an argument its the internet nobody will change their opinions and admit you are right.

Speak for yourself. Some people actually examine the facts rationally and form and reform their conclusions based on an ever-increasing body of evidence. The others are theists.

I'd like to continue a adult discussion but all this talk of ignorance, and the jabs makes it difficult to continue.

You're the one that said heroin addiction is a good thing. If you want to have an adult discussion, then you need to exercise some candor. You don't get to argue so disingenuously and then whine about not having an adult discussion, dick.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

This is why I quit debating him, he's just too angry to talk about things like this seriously.

This is how dishonest he can get. We were talking about abiogenesis and he wanted me to prove that there was a time when no physical life existed. He's an angry anti-theist hack.

You said that life began, but couldn't prove it. I pointed it out. That makes me dishonest. Right.

I suppose it must, in crazy delusional Christian land.

It does amuse me that you're clearly still stewing about it, though. :awe:

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Bullshit. Adults don't believe in fairy tales.


Speak for yourself. Some people actually examine the facts rationally and form and reform their conclusions based on an ever-increasing body of evidence. The others are theists.



You're the one that said heroin addiction is a good thing. If you want to have an adult discussion, then you need to exercise some candor. You don't get to argue so disingenuously and then whine about not having an adult discussion, dick.

There are some people who give the religious a bad name. There there are atheists who do the same. Lord, keep them both away from me.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Bullshit. Adults don't believe in fairy tales.


Speak for yourself. Some people actually examine the facts rationally and form and reform their conclusions based on an ever-increasing body of evidence. The others are theists.



You're the one that said heroin addiction is a good thing. If you want to have an adult discussion, then you need to exercise some candor. You don't get to argue so disingenuously and then whine about not having an adult discussion, dick.

You're snipping text to change its context. I'm not looking for the argument. My original post to you was an attempt to explain something that has gone far, far OT.
With the heroin talk you are ignoring the if which is an important part of the sentence.

 

[buckshot24]

Is name calling rational thought? CT is far too emotional about these things to ever come to a valid conclusion.

 

[buckshot24]

It's comical to believe that God must be "good" any more than a person stepping on ants must be.

Likewise, if the ants could think, they might believe getting stepped on is a result of their actions (let's call it ant-sin), which must be fixed to avoid the consequence.

Notice from the outside we can see how dumb those ants must be.

When ants start saying the people stepping on them wouldn't do xyz if he were good then you've just described internet atheism. Let alone there is no good or bad if what they believe were true.

 

[MongGrel]

Muslims should apologize for terror that they did not participate in or endorse.

Blacks should apologize for crime because they disproportionately participate in it, even if an individual.

Whites should apologize for things they had no part in hundreds of years ago.

And of course Christians should apologize for things even if they opposed them.



Seems to me that each person is answerable for his or her own actions, but hey, that's just me.

+1

 

[MongGrel]

Can't debate me, so you'll just take pot shots from the peanut gallery. How pathetic.

Bucky doesn't know what the word debate even means, he lives in circular argument land.

When ants start saying the people stepping on them wouldn't do xyz if he were good then you've just described internet atheism. Let alone there is no good or bad if what they believe were true.

More grade school theism.

 

[buckshot24]

Bucky doesn't know what the word debate even means, he lives in circular argument land.

I choose not to engage a deranged person who cannot be reasoned with. Kind of like I won't argue with ISIS.

More grade school theism.

I learned in grade school that 2+2=4. Still true. What points do you disagree with?

 

[agent00f]

When ants start saying the people stepping on them wouldn't do xyz if he were good then you've just described internet atheism. Let alone there is no good or bad if what they believe were true.

We know for a fact that people stepping on ants wouldn't if they were good to ants.

It's also interesting that biblical good/evil is a rather uniquely abrahamic concept, which is more often than not inaccurate and abused because the speaker always represents the good side and their adversaries evil.