Poor Yellow Pony (*Car) :-(

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: RockHydra11
And ban segways because...well, I couldn't think of anything better to ban.

I can think of something better to ban...LIFTED TRUCKS!

That's idiotic. There are legitimate reasons vehicles are lifted, such as for offroading where it's almost required.

I have no problem with people driving them off-road. In fact, I think that's the only place they should be driven.

 

[tami]

:shocked:

 

[flot]

That truck does look to have a pretty substantial lift installed. I am not opposed to lifts on vehicles (I have a lifted Jeep myself) I would like to see more stringent "reality checks" on them. There are a number of state laws dealing with bumper height etc but they rarely get enforced. Of course, the problem is that it is difficult to make a blanket law that covers everything in an effective way.

Having said that, there is a lawn service truck that I always see around town which frankly terrifies me, it must have at least 12, and possibly 18" of lift - the door sill is at least 4 feet off the ground.

Of course, just one more reason to drive an SUV....

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Schrodinger

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Schrodinger

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Schrodinger

Originally posted by: Baked
GT = Grande Trashed. Maybe they should just ban giant SUVs. Those Excursions are huge even stock.

Yep. And ban transports while they're at it. Those are even larger and they are typically driven by guys with no sleep and deadlines to meet.

What happened to holding the individual accountable and not the vehicle/gun/big mac.

Because a non-lifted vehicle would have met the Mustang's bumper/crumple zone (they way they were designed to) and may not have completely crushed the back seat area. What if that person had a child sitting back there? :|

I'm not talking about lifted vehicles. I responded to Baked on topic of SUVs, Excusions and large vehicles in general.

So, you're in favor of banning lifted vehicles then?

If the engineers and safety experts who regulate the automotive industry think its that much of a hazard--sure.

Evidently we can't suggest that drivers are held responsible for blowing into a stopped vehicle at 50mph, so lets just ban their vehicles instead.

Tell that to the next person who dies in an accident as a result of being hit by a lifted truck. Tell that to their families. I'm sure it will be comforting to them.

If I could prove that your lifted vehicle was the reason someone died in a crash do you think juries would award a huge settlement? Do you think insurance companies would insure such a vehicle if they knew it was lifted? I've talked to car dealers and many of them remove these lift kits when people trade in lifted vehicles due to liability concerns. Why do you suppose that is?

I think it is only a matter of time before these are banned. Unfortunately, it will probably take some deaths for action to be taken.

 

[StageLeft]

They are a menace, obviously. The anti-ban posts here come from a good place, but they are in the wrong vein.

 

[rh71]

what's with the pink airbag in a manly man's car ?

 

[flot]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
They are a menace, obviously. The anti-ban posts here come from a good place, but they are in the wrong vein.

...and yet you think it's ok that manufacturers can produce 400hp cars that can be sold to any 16 year old that walks in off the street with $90,000 ?

THOSE aren't a menace?

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: flot

Originally posted by: Skoorb
They are a menace, obviously. The anti-ban posts here come from a good place, but they are in the wrong vein.

...and yet you think it's ok that manufacturers can produce 400hp cars that can be sold to any 16 year old that walks in off the street with $90,000 ?

THOSE aren't a menace?

Way to go off topic. The discussion is about regulating the roadworthiness of vehicles. If the 400hp car has the bumper where it should be, DOT has no say about it. However kits that lift the truck so far that the bumper is level with my head should not be allowed on the road, same way you can't drive around on slicks. There is a reason why cars have bumpers and it's not to ble able to make mustangs into mustang convertibles.

 

[slightlyhuman]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Schrodinger

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Schrodinger

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Schrodinger

Originally posted by: Baked
GT = Grande Trashed. Maybe they should just ban giant SUVs. Those Excursions are huge even stock.

Yep. And ban transports while they're at it. Those are even larger and they are typically driven by guys with no sleep and deadlines to meet.

What happened to holding the individual accountable and not the vehicle/gun/big mac.

Because a non-lifted vehicle would have met the Mustang's bumper/crumple zone (they way they were designed to) and may not have completely crushed the back seat area. What if that person had a child sitting back there? :|

I'm not talking about lifted vehicles. I responded to Baked on topic of SUVs, Excusions and large vehicles in general.

So, you're in favor of banning lifted vehicles then?

If the engineers and safety experts who regulate the automotive industry think its that much of a hazard--sure.

Evidently we can't suggest that drivers are held responsible for blowing into a stopped vehicle at 50mph, so lets just ban their vehicles instead.

Tell that to the next person who dies in an accident as a result of being hit by a lifted truck. Tell that to their families. I'm sure it will be comforting to them.

If I could prove that your lifted vehicle was the reason someone died in a crash do you think juries would award a huge settlement? Do you think insurance companies would insure such a vehicle if they knew it was lifted? I've talked to car dealers and many of them remove these lift kits when people trade in lifted vehicles due to liability concerns. Why do you suppose that is?

I think it is only a matter of time before these are banned. Unfortunately, it will probably take some deaths for action to be taken.

jules, don't forget to ban log trucks and every other semi that transports goods....

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: flot

Originally posted by: Skoorb
They are a menace, obviously. The anti-ban posts here come from a good place, but they are in the wrong vein.

...and yet you think it's ok that manufacturers can produce 400hp cars that can be sold to any 16 year old that walks in off the street with $90,000 ?

THOSE aren't a menace?

Of course they are, but the topic isn't about that.

jules, don't forget to ban log trucks and every other semi that transports goods....

Of course, because you know those trucks are only high because it looks cool. THey have to be high to move anything, and are an integral part of our society, same as oil vessels, even though sometimes those sink and poison the environment.

 

[DPmaster]

Originally posted by: flot

Originally posted by: Skoorb
They are a menace, obviously. The anti-ban posts here come from a good place, but they are in the wrong vein.

...and yet you think it's ok that manufacturers can produce 400hp cars that can be sold to any 16 year old that walks in off the street with $90,000 ?

THOSE aren't a menace?

What 16 year old has $90,000?

Most kids can't afford Vipers, Porsches, etc. That's why insurance rates aren't astronomically high as some would believe for high-end sports cars. I can insure a Viper for just $300 more than what I'm currently paying for insurance.

 

[Phoenix86]

The solution is simple, and has been suggested for several decades. Federaly mandated bumper hieghts. If the jacked up F350's' bumpers matched the Mustang's this woulnd't be so bad.

Banning higher profile vehicles is not the solution any more than banning lower profile vehicles.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: DP

jules, don't forget to ban log trucks and every other semi that transports goods....

That is completely different. I am talking about taking a stock vehicle, one that was designed so that in the event of an accident it would impact other vehicles at a standard height, and raising it so that it no longer meets those standards of safety. There are rules for semi trucks to have bumpers set to same height as car bumpers. Why should these monster trucks be any different? Especially since they did meet those standards when they left the factory.

 

[DougK62]

Most lift kits I've seen specify that they're for "off road use only". That should be enforced.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
The solution is simple, and has been suggested for several decades. Federaly mandated bumper hieghts. If the jacked up F350's' bumpers matched the Mustang's this woulnd't be so bad.

Banning higher profile vehicles is not the solution any more than banning lower profile vehicles.

Show me one single raised truck where the owner modified the bumper height so that it remains at the same level as it was when the vehicle was stock. I've NEVER seen one.

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
The solution is simple, and has been suggested for several decades. Federaly mandated bumper hieghts. If the jacked up F350's' bumpers matched the Mustang's this woulnd't be so bad.

Banning higher profile vehicles is not the solution any more than banning lower profile vehicles.

Show me one single raised truck where the owner modified the bumper height so that it remains at the same level as it was when the vehicle was stock. I've NEVER seen one.

Uh...that's exactly his point.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: Schrodinger

Originally posted by: Baked
GT = Grande Trashed. Maybe they should just ban giant SUVs. Those Excursions are huge even stock.

Yep. And ban transports while they're at it. Those are even larger and they are typically driven by guys with no sleep and deadlines to meet.

What happened to holding the individual accountable and not the vehicle/gun/big mac.

Okay, Mr. Accountability. How about a special license for trucks, and another training course if you want to life your truck a certain amount over stock?

 

[BW86]

OMG! Thank God nobody was in the backseat!. :Q

 

[Insane3D]

That's the first 2005 Mustang I liked....



....cause it's wrecked!

😀

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: CRXican
another reason SUVs and Trucks should be regulated

And civics should be regulated when they hit somebody on 2 wheels. Everybody has the option of buying a bigger vehical, it's your own fault if you don't and then get hit.

I keep a trailer hitch on the back of my truck even when I don't need it just so when I get rear ended nobody ever makes it to the bumper. They are normally totaled without me even getting a scratch.

BTW if your wondering it's a 2004 F-350 diesel lifted 2 inches front and back and larger tires so I'm only about 3 inches higher than stock.

Another BTW I also own a mustang but my truck is my main vehical. cause it's a tax write off and the mustang is my project/track car.

 

[StageLeft]

And civics should be regulated when they hit somebody on 2 wheels. Everybody has the option of buying a bigger vehical, it's your own fault if you don't and then get hit.

Ah yes, a lifted truck is a great family car, and very affordable for most people! So your excuse is everybody can have one if they want? Then what will make yours so special? You'll have to lift it another 6 inches so that it sticks up further, then before you know it we're all teetering around on 12 foot high vehicles.

 

[erikistired]

i've seen a minivan do that much damage to a car before, it's more the speed than the fact it was lifted. altho in that case the whole back of the car was smashed in (no more trunk or back seats) not just the top half.

stop being ignorant.

oh, btw, go by your ford/chevy/dodge dealership, you can get a pickup truck with a ride height like that off the lot these days. i was surprised how high they are stock even without the offroad packages.

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
The solution is simple, and has been suggested for several decades. Federaly mandated bumper hieghts. If the jacked up F350's' bumpers matched the Mustang's this woulnd't be so bad.

Banning higher profile vehicles is not the solution any more than banning lower profile vehicles.

Show me one single raised truck where the owner modified the bumper height so that it remains at the same level as it was when the vehicle was stock. I've NEVER seen one.

Uh...that's exactly his point.

Don't know if it's federal but in Virginia anyway bumpers have a hight restrction and they do sell aftermarket bumpers that will keep your vehical in check you you have it lifted too high. Although it is a very high limit and I don't see the point of having one lifted that high. At that point it's all show.

 

[vi edit]

<Cartman>

You just got F'd in the A!

</Cartman>

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

And civics should be regulated when they hit somebody on 2 wheels. Everybody has the option of buying a bigger vehical, it's your own fault if you don't and then get hit.

Ah yes, a lifted truck is a great family car, and very affordable for most people! So your excuse is everybody can have one if they want? Then what will make yours so special? You'll have to lift it another 6 inches so that it sticks up further, then before you know it we're all teetering around on 12 foot high vehicles.

Mine isn't lifted to make it special at all. It was so the larger tires wouldn't rub when turning since I'm offroad a lot where I hunt.

Case and point though, if you don't feel safe in a little car driving around then do something about it. Nobody made you purchase such a small car.