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Poor power conditions kills UPS/blows capacitors?

Maverick2002

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I recently discovered that at one of our offices which is notorious for poor power delivery (power goes out on a weekly basis from what I'm told) a lot of the motherboards (Foxconn POS) had blown capacitors, along with an Intel board. The battery backups which are TrippLite 750VA units ~3 years old also have dead batteries, e.g. they no longer hold a charge.

I haven't experienced this before, but we came to the conclusion that it's possible that repeated poor power delivery can be responsible for standby backups dying long before their time and capacitors blow as a result.

Is this a logical conclusion? Has anyone experienced this before? It seems like it to me since our other office has similar machines/battery backups and we haven't experienced said issues.
 
Unreliable incoming building power.
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Dead batteries in old UPS that probably have no more surge protection left in them.
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Cheap OEM power supplies.
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Stability issues along with possible hardware damage

Once the MBs are fixed (or replaced), check the voltage on the PC power supplies (replace if needed), then use some APC LE1200 units to filter the incoming power.
 
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We probably don't need line conditioners since we'll be switching offices soon and the new building will have good power, but in general are they a good thing to have behind a UPS? I know some UPS models have built-in line conditioning.

The capacitors have already been replaced.
 
You don't want to have anything between a UPS and the supported PC.

The power conditioners hold power during brownouts without using batteries. The issue with UPS units is that the expensive batteries have to be replaced periodically.
 
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3 years is a pretty typical life for UPS batteries especially the little ones in triplites/small apcs. My 30KVA units are only really rated for 4-5 years and those are full size car batteries.

Poor power conditions doesn't help the matters either. Many of the smaller units are fail>switch rather than AC > DC > AC because it costs more. This allows far more 'junk' to get through the line to the PC.

Edit: conditioners generally go in front of the UPS not behind most often on the building feeds or at least the sub panels.
 
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What I meant was:

wall > conditioner > ups (standby) > pc

How does a line conditioner provide power during a brownout if it doesn't have a battery?
 
Nm, I had brownouts and blackouts reversed in my mind. We have plenty of both, so a standalone line conditioner would only do a little.
 
How does a line conditioner provide power during a brownout if it doesn't have a battery?
What a power conditioner might do is already done (and better) inside a computer power supply. Incandescent bulbs must dim to 40% intensity - and that computer must work and even start up normally. Because the power supply's many tasks include making that power perfectly normal. Anything the power conditioner, at best, might do is the same thing already inside a computer’s supply. Most power conditioners are nothing more than a surge protector in a fancier box.

Your question begs for a technical reply. But you must first provide technical facts. With so few actual facts, the usual myths are being posted. Especially line conditioners. Which anomaly does the line conditioner solve? All off them - because so many do not even know what anomalies cause damage. Most power conditioners are recommend only by hearsay by many who do not even know those functions are already inside the supply.

Discussing some blown parts says little useful unless you cite which ones specifically. For example, many motherboard electroylitics cannot be damaged as you have said due to circuits already inside the supply. But again, what was the electrical knowledge of the guy who installed the supply. If purchased only on dollars and watts, then many important circuits (functions) can be missing. Computer assemblers are why so many supplies are dumped into American missing essential functions. These computer assemblers do not even know what those functions are. And is why so many recommend nonsense line conditioners.

So again, which electrolytics are damaged. Those otherwise protected by the supply? Or ones located elsewhere that perform other functions?

What do most UPSes do? Connect a computer directly to AC mains when not in battery backup mode. A majority do not even know that. So where is all this cleaning and protection? Obviously, it only exists in myths.

Furthermore, when does a computer typically see 'dirtiest' electricity? When the UPS is in battery backup mode. Electricity so 'dirty' as to harm power strip protectors and small electric motors. And perfectly ideal to any computer – because that is another supply function. To make 'dirty' power even from most UPSes completely irrelevant.

I can think of at least 15 things that might cause your symptoms. So many because a useful reply means you must provide better information. Notice how many know only solving one or two things will help. A majority do not even know of those other 13 possible reasons. Which says why the few who actually know this stuff cannot reply. Your replies will only be as useful as provided technical details. For example, specifically which electrolytic is damaged. Different ones fail for completely different reasons.

What more often can cause damage? Defective grounds. What bypasses so many protective supply functions? And must completely bypass all line conditioners? Safety ground. What is often defective in electrically ‘dirty’ buildings? Safety ground. Nobody recommended or even discussed that 12th possible reason. But again, nobody will if you do not provide specific electrical details. All you will get is usual myths about line conditioners and UPSes by people who do not even know what these might do. Somehow they 'magically' clean electricity? Yes, doing often less than what is already inside the computer.
 
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