Poor Microsoft Forced to Carry Java. So they now are looking to buy Macromedia
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Interesting. When will it end??? So if MS doesn't include Java, you go and get it from Sun. So what?
can't squash them so buy them and delete them from the market place.
sounds like they will have to keep java in their os's to keep from breaking the antitrust-monopoly judgments...
sounds like they will have to keep java in their os's to keep from breaking the antitrust-monopoly judgments...
Because when you come to a webpage that uses Java, it points you to a MS page that says "Plugin not available" instead of pointing you to a page where you can download the plugin.
Why is asp and .net automatically installed while java is not? Why not have the users manually go to MS website to download .NET, instead of packaging it with Windows? Microsoft is an Illegal Monopoly, so they have to play by certain rules.
bcause Bill is a controll freak!
there is a reason some of the states won't sign off on the settlement....
quoting from "Behind Enemy Lines"
I hear that Bill gates has more money than Vennezualia. Why aren't we flying for him?
I hear that Bill gates has more money than Vennezualia. Why aren't we flying for him?
Great, then they can kill off flash support for all non-MS operating systems to help preserve their desktop monopoly and help with taking over PDAs and set-top boxes.
It's nice for them that they can use their monopoly profits to help fund crushing anything that might help create more OS competition.
shall we start a list for the next class action lawsuit?
power to the people, give some of that cash back to the people.
getting tired of "states" suing for these huge settlements and the people of the states not getting squat!
how much cash did any smokers get from the tobacco lawsuits?
all to the government, who will siphon it off to programs that benefit them and not us "the people"
power to the people, give some of that cash back to the people.
getting tired of "states" suing for these huge settlements and the people of the states not getting squat!
how much cash did any smokers get from the tobacco lawsuits?
all to the government, who will siphon it off to programs that benefit them and not us "the people"
Actually forcing Microsoft to pay a dividend to shareholders would likely increase the value of the stock and take away their "crush fund" at the same time. Anyone with mutual funds (in a 401k for example) would benefit. I wouldn't say no to a $20 per copy refund for past Windows purchases though
RichieZ
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I hate Sun Java 2 VM, all the machines in my school labs have it installed (various NT4, 2K Pro, and XP Pro boxes). AIM express never works right, and the machines often crash when going to pages that heavily use java. In my limited expereience the Sun Java VM is inferior
That is because MS corrupted Java, and applications written for MS java don't work well with regular Java. That was the whole reason for all these lawsuits.
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Actually forcing Microsoft to pay a dividend to shareholders would likely increase the value of the stock and take away their "crush fund" at the same time. Anyone with mutual funds (in a 401k for example) would benefit. I wouldn't say no to a $20 per copy refund for past Windows purchases though
not talking share holders...
consumers....
if the states can get all that cash, why can't the purchasers of their monopoly product, get in on the cash cow?
I asked java developers in the Software forum about MS vs Sun VMs since we might be doing a small java app at work. Apparently the MS VM is now years out of date and missing the user interface libraries needed for any serious work.
So it might be better for that one app (assuming the app would even run with the MS VM) but in general the MS VM is pretty much useless.
In the MS suits the settlements were for minor changes in behavior not for any cash. The only cash MS is paying out is a pittance to cover the states' legal fees.Originally posted by: GroundZero
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Actually forcing Microsoft to pay a dividend to shareholders would likely increase the value of the stock and take away their "crush fund" at the same time. Anyone with mutual funds (in a 401k for example) would benefit. I wouldn't say no to a $20 per copy refund for past Windows purchases though
not talking share holders...
consumers....
if the states can get all that cash, why can't the purchasers of their monopoly product, get in on the cash cow?
But yes, people have been gouged for years every time that they bought a computer with Windows installed, and it would be nice to make MS give back a few tens of billions of that gouging.
ViRGE
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Am I the only one that sees a problem with this? Doesn't imposing the will of Sun onto Microsoft violate something? Or at the very least lower them to the same level? Microsoft wasn't preventing Java from running on their OS, they simply did not bundle a competing product. What's next, a copy of Linux with Windows, since Windows is also trying to edge out Linux?
rh71
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I agree with you. I'd hate to see MS throw the corporate spin on such a great developer-minded company like Macromedia. But let's see here...
MS wants to kill Java... but Macromedia's flagship ColdFusion application server software is based on Java. H M M M ?!
I think IBM is more in a position to buy Macromedia. Big blue is pushing to be #1 in software too... and they're already partners.
HendrixFan
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The tobacco lawsuits were to pay for medical costs incurred by the government for tobacco users, through medicare, medicade and the like. The idea was that the companies had lied to the government, falsified reports, etc; and were therefore liable for the medical costs.
Given that the government won those suits, the companies have already been proven to have broken the law, and it makes an suit by a single person very easy. In fact, individuals have been getting large settlements for healthcare costs from tobacco.
Last I checked, the .NET runtime is NOT automatically installed. It is in fact an optional download for 98+ systems. Of course, it is installed in .NET server, but that much should be obvious.
HendrixFan
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This is all about a CONTRACT. Sun and MS signed a contract whereby Windows would have Java bundled with it. MS used their own version of Java that wasnt compatible with Sun's Java, and Sun claimed it to be a breech of contract. The Judge agreed, and forced MS to bundle Sun's Java with Windows, as per their contractual agreement.
HendrixFan
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Not sure how long the contract was for, Id have to go back and re-read some of that stuff (pertaining back to the Anti-trust suit), sadly neither link seems to have that information. I think it was originally inked in the mid 90s, and even if the contract had expired by now, MS would have to compensate Sun for the lost time, in one way or another (such as bundling now).
Not exactly. THe microsoft VM offered features that a standard vm did not have. This kept applications writtin specefically for ms java only on a ms platform. Those applications written to java spec would still work anywhere even if J++ was used. Developers had the option of being compatable, or being able to use more features. I really dont see how this is different from many of the programming languages that exist today.
c++
Microsoft has MFC
borland has Owl
neither are compatable, but both adhear to c++ language spec.
microsoft, oracle, sybase,<insert other db vender here> all have sql that ahears to the sql spec, but they all offer their own extras that are not comptable with other systems.
Sun has played the hokey pokey with java and microsoft.
First they complain because MS puts it in, then they complain when they take it out. Sun is getting their arse whooped right now. Sun would be better off if they fired all their lawyers and hired more designers and coders and started to make products that can compete.
And lastly, why has Sun not given java to standards committee so a java standard can be created.
Sun, meet kettle.
WTF? If Microsoft buys Macromedia - then, I'll know our justice system is more screwed up than I ever imagined.
If Microsoft buys Macromedia, there is no hope for the computer industry. Adobe better run for cover at that point.
[Edit:] I just read through the article and didn't see Macromedia mentioned. Was the story about the intended purchase in another article?
If Microsoft buys Macromedia, there is no hope for the computer industry.
Adobe better run for cover at that point. [Edit:] I just read through the article and didn't see Macromedia mentioned. Was the story about the intended purchase in another article?
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