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[CraigRT]

<< Racing is good in controlled conditions on a track. Hell I'll admit I'd still do a drag race with somebody at the lights (and never much above the speed limit), but I stopped "street racing" when I was younger. By this i Mean swerving around corners, chasing people, etc. >>



I only race in a straight line.. that is in my opinion the safest form.. these kids lost control because of trying to take some corners.. i will not race on a windy road.. far too dangerous... drags only for me.. unless it's on a track like you say.

 

[Optimus]

You wanna race, take it to where there are:

A) no residences anywhere near (within walking distance)
B) no roads where other cars need to drive (highways, city streets, residential streets, etc)


i.e. - Take it to the trakc, or at least find back areas of industrial parks that don't operate at night.


But most street racers don't - they race from the mall parking lot to the donut shop, or the high school to the highway. And if you do that then yes, racing and the racers are "sh!t".

 

[Doggiedog]

I actually get a bigger kick out of driving the twisties at decent speeds than flat out acceleration. Not in urban locations though. More like hills and mountains.

 

[Optimus]

Dragging from one light to the next isn't as bad as extended street racing, yeah. But you need to be damn sure that there are no pedestrians or other cars around.

i.e. You take off from the lights and hit 55 pretty quick - but a small slow car has pulled out of a hidden alley into one of the 2 lanes - pow.

Or a pedestrian starts crossing not expecting anyone to be going so fast - dark clothing maybe as well - pow.

 

[CraigRT]

<< You wanna race, take it to where there are:

A) no residences anywhere near (within walking distance)
B) no roads where other cars need to drive (highways, city streets, residential streets, etc)


i.e. - Take it to the trakc, or at least find back areas of industrial parks that don't operate at night.


But most street racers don't - they race from the mall parking lot to the donut shop, or the high school to the highway. And if you do that then yes, racing and the racers are "sh!t". >>



after reading this your entire view on what i consider race is not what i think of..
i don't race all the way to a destination like across town to the donut shop.. that IS dangerous i AGREE! and i WOULDN'T do that for more than just the danger factor... I'm not that big of a fool.




<< I actually get a bigger kick out of driving the twisties at decent speeds than flat out acceleration. >>



me too, but i won't race on that.. i love cornering but only when it's just for fun while not going extreme.. driving on roads in Quebec you get to be like that.. great driving, nice a windy!

 

[CraigRT]

<< Dragging from one light to the next isn't as bad as extended street racing, yeah. But you need to be damn sure that there are no pedestrians or other cars around.

i.e. You take off from the lights and hit 55 pretty quick - but a small slow car has pulled out of a hidden alley into one of the 2 lanes - pow.

Or a pedestrian starts crossing not expecting anyone to be going so fast - dark clothing maybe as well - pow. >>




i hear ya.. the factor is there.. but it is having your fun while trying to limit anything dangerous as much as possible. which means no curves, no running reds, no excessive(!) speeding..

don't get me wrong man, i agree with you.. but still.. the thrill factor takes over and unless you like racing too, you dont know what i am talking about..

 

[Doggiedog]

me too, but i won't race on that.. i love cornering but only when it's just for fun while not going extreme.. driving on roads in Quebec you get to be like that.. great driving, nice a windy!

Me too. I don't race. When I used to have a Prelude SH, guys in Integras, Civics and MX-6s would come up to me and want to race but I know I'd get blown away since my car was stock. I just drive for myself and don't need to prove anything to anyone. Speeding doesn't get you anyplace that much quicker either unless you are driving for hours. 15 mins saved isn't worth the risk you take unless you really need to go to the bathroom.

I just like the feeling of g's you get when you take a line driving around hills and mountains.

 

[CraigRT]

<< I just like the feeling of g's you get when you take a line driving around hills and mountains. >>



I know exactly what you mean...

i generally drive slow though.. overall i can burn an entire tank of gas without revving my engine over 5,000 once.. (shift at 6,800 when giving it hard)

but i love the corners on a nice summer afternoon with some good tunes and just me in the car... no need to race .. aaahhh

 

[mrCide]

man i just take my 88hp '95 escort and fly everywhere i go at a crazy 45mph.. and sometimes ill see a lawnmower pull up to me.. i kill those bastards in a race! woop.

shame bout those kids.

 

[Jzero]

<< i hear ya.. the factor is there.. but it is having your fun while trying to limit anything dangerous as much as possible. which means no curves, no running reds, no excessive(!) speeding..

don't get me wrong man, i agree with you.. but still.. the thrill factor takes over and unless you like racing too, you dont know what i am talking about.. >>



I know all about "thrill factors" and I'm sure the other streetracing critics also are familiar with this kind of stuff. It's the same "thrill factor" that allows me to go climbing and reach for a handhold that there is no godly way I could reach, yet ignoring the possibility that I could fall. It's the same thrill factor that allows me to go barrelling straight down a wave on a kayak without fear of drowning. It's the same thrill factor that allows me to rushing straight at the enemy with both barrells blazing, without fear of getting a hundred welts (paintball).

There's a big difference, though. On the rocks, in the surf and on the paintball field, I'm playing a dangerous game either by myself or amongst people who have willingly undertaken the risk of injury or death.

Like on a track. Even audience members at the track have made a decision to attend despite the remote possibility that flying tires and car parts could kill them.

Even if you are street-racing the "safest" way, on a straight road, for a short time and without "excessive speeding" whatever that is, you are STILL endangering the lives and property of people who have NOT agreed to be put at risk by you. I don't care what addiction or affliction you have when it comes to racing, it doesn't excuse the possibility of killing a bystander.

 

[CraigRT]

<< Even if you are street-racing the "safest" way, on a straight road, for a short time and without "excessive speeding" whatever that is, you are STILL endangering the lives and property of people who have NOT agreed to be put at risk by you. I don't care what addiction or affliction you have when it comes to racing, it doesn't excuse the possibility of killing a bystander. >>



not going to argue anymore..wait a minute, i am not arguing. it's just getting stupid.. i already said i agreed.. but that racing still goes on because it's usually rare enough that every once in a while people think it's OK.. i don't race at every light.. that would be DUMB.

anyways, ciao

 

[Rent]

While this is bad, it was kids.

I know that if I had a ITR when I was 16, I would have probably wrapped it around a tree or another vehicle. Instead I drove a gutless 125hp beast of a car, my old 86' Olds Calais. That thing kept me in check. I raced it, but I was smart enough to know it was a gutless POS.

These kids lack common sense. As much as their families will say "he was so intelligent" and "she was so smart" these kids acted without thinking. Its a shame 4 people had to die because of the actions of one.

For those of you condemming street racing, yes it is dangerous. It is VERY unpredictable and you can often end up in a body bag if you don't think. As I street race with my friends alot, I know the risks and I know how dangerous it can be. I also know it is inconsiderate of other drivers on the road to street race in the open.

Thats why we take it off regular roads. We go to abandoned or empty industrial complexes and let it out there. Its a shame these kids didn't do the same.

 

[SCSIfreek]

Speeding that cause a threat to others is a crime<---People who speeds should be put to jail(I'm not kidding). What if you crashed into a family of 4 driving down the street, would you still think of it as having fun? Put yourselves into such a situation and think again what you're doing. If a stupid kids drives a fast car down the street ran over you're parents or kids would you feel that the kid was just having a good time with his new sports car? If you want to race go to a race track and have fun there. nuff say. I dont feel sorry for those stupid kids except the passenger :|. Parents that buys their kids sports cars are responsible not doubt about it. If you speed chances are you'll die speeding hope that you dont bring others with you.


--SCSI

 

[brxndxn]

It's not always stupid to buy your 16 year-old kid a sports car. It is stupid not to take away the keys after a speeding ticket, though. I went to a private school were most of the kids got new cars from mommie and daddy when they turned 16. Most were surprisingly responsible when it came to their cars - even the irresponsible people seemed to understand the importance of being safe while driving. A few of the girls wrecked their cars... but no one was injured.

I think it's fine to get your kid a nice car - as long as you teach him/her the proper respect.

 

[Jzero]

<<

<< Even if you are street-racing the "safest" way, on a straight road, for a short time and without "excessive speeding" whatever that is, you are STILL endangering the lives and property of people who have NOT agreed to be put at risk by you. I don't care what addiction or affliction you have when it comes to racing, it doesn't excuse the possibility of killing a bystander. >>



not going to argue anymore..wait a minute, i am not arguing. it's just getting stupid.. i already said i agreed.. but that racing still goes on because it's usually rare enough that every once in a while people think it's OK.. i don't race at every light.. that would be DUMB.

anyways, ciao >>



You said you agreed, and then you add the qualifier that only a racer can comprehend the thrill that apparently gives you the right to put people in danger for your kicks.
You don't race at every light, but the fact that you race at ANY light is taking it too far.

 

[Doggiedog]

Do you remember this crash?

 

[Nefrodite]

well you've seen the car, just imagine how mutilated the ppl inside(?) were. I think kids(and most people) should get to see graphic after math of such accidents. i think there are a few on rotten.com. kids and most people just can't fathom the level of damage you can sustain in a high speed crash, some of the picts i've seen are barely recognizable as human. probably should be mandatory to watch graphic videos for all new drivers.

 

[Windogg]

I sent the link to my brother and hopes it jars some common sense into him. I doubt it will, people will always drive like idiots. Everytime he goes out I hope I don't see something like that on the news. In my heart I secretly hope he will be arrested. Although I doubt it will change anything.

Hate to say it but it stupid asian pride. The dumb kid had to be a showoff and the family was too stupid to think their kid was anything but an angel.

Windogg

 

[KBrinks]

parents giving their kids fast cars is dangerous... i just have my crappy '94 escort

 

[boyRacer]

That's really sad... what's even worse is it's really common these days. Kids with little driving experience are given cars beyond their capability and they push it hard. My parents did not buy me a new car when I graudated high school... i was stuck driving the family car for awhile...and i hated it. Well now i'm a little more appreciative because considering how many mistakes i've done... my new car back then would be looking like crap now.

 

[Lucky]

"point taken.. but in the city people only drag down like a block or something.. 85 mph?? not a chance.. more like 50-60 topps"


I beg to differ. A few years back, I raced a kid down the main strip at like 3am on a monday morning...we hit about 90 (in a 35) before having to stop.

I dont do stuff like that anymore.

 

[Lucky]

<< well you've seen the car, just imagine how mutilated the ppl inside(?) were. I think kids(and most people) should get to see graphic after math of such accidents. i think there are a few on rotten.com. kids and most people just can't fathom the level of damage you can sustain in a high speed crash, some of the picts i've seen are barely recognizable as human. probably should be mandatory to watch graphic videos for all new drivers. >>

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Agreed. My first coverage of a fatal accident as a photojournalist was a one car accident where the driver was "hilltopping". Well, they went a bit over the top, slammed into 8 trees, and left body parts of the 4 kids (all under 20) strewn across the road. I was literally stepping on brain and tissue when I got to the scene. The speedometer, found several hundred feet away, was stuck at 105.

 

[flambus]

Is it just me or does that kid (jeff) look like a punk. Not to be disrespectful, god rest his soul.