Pontiac has complete Solstice specifications up on their web site

[Jumpem]

Too heavy. 🙁

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
LoL. 2.4 liter's and GM can only get 177 hp and 166 torque out of it?? That is sad.

Honda can get 240 Hp out of their 2.0 Liter VTEC motor in the S2000, and 156 torque. And this is supposed to compete. I just think its sad how much power GM is getting from these "Ecotec" motors.

Nobody but Honda fanboys cares about HP/L. It's a completely useless statistic.

And like the others said, those cars are far from being in the same class.

You can also bet that the Ecotec is going to have a much better torque curve and not have to be driven at insane RPMs just to make it go.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Ah no check again. ALL the specs I gave were from the makers site. Also we know how Mazda likes to overrate everything they own, sometimes so much they have to give away free stuff or offer to buy cars back.

2006 Mazda Miata
170 hp
140 lb-ft
2500 lbs

2006 Pontiac Solstice
177 hp
166 lb-ft
2860 lbs

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
That and the Pontiac makes 41lb-ft of torque and 35Hp more then a miata does not hurt either 🙂

Need me to do the math for you, too?:roll:

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
]Don't forget the miata has a supercharged version, but it's $25k or so MSRP compared to $21k for this thing (I presume the mazdaspeed comes with AC, where as the 20 base for this does not). I am surprised at how brutal gas mileage is on the regular miata!

Word. If they could have it similarly priced to the miata (granted, the miatas have a lot of deals on them these days) but with an extra 60 horses or something, it would be a very nice purchase.

The MSM is turbo, not sc. And you can get them for $19-21k easy. Also my Miata gets over 30mpg.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
HaHaHa, I just looked up the specs for the turbocharged miata and it only makes 1Hp more and no more torque then the BONE STOCK pontiac. And its highway Gas milage drops to 26, 2 less MPG then the standard Pontiac and Mazda.
That and the base price of the turbocharged miata is $26,340.

As I said they sell for well under msrp. You also have to compare weight. the SOlstice is another 300-400 pounds over the MSM.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: Skoorb
]Don't forget the miata has a supercharged version, but it's $25k or so MSRP compared to $21k for this thing (I presume the mazdaspeed comes with AC, where as the 20 base for this does not). I am surprised at how brutal gas mileage is on the regular miata!

Word. If they could have it similarly priced to the miata (granted, the miatas have a lot of deals on them these days) but with an extra 60 horses or something, it would be a very nice purchase.

The MSM is turbo, not sc. And you can get them for $19-21k easy. Also my Miata gets over 30mpg.

😕 A limited production car for under MSRP....RIIIIIGHHTTT. Here's the listing for the 4 our local dealer has:

M058027 2005 MAZDA MIATA / $ 25448
M058057 2005 MAZDA MIATA / $ 27100
M058058 2005 MAZDA MIATA / $ 26325
M058066 2005 MAZDA MIATA / $ 27125

 

[FeuerFrei]

See you in September: Production snafus may delay launch of Pontiac Solstice roadster until fall
JASON STEIN | Automotive News and
ROBERT SHEREFKIN | Automotive News
Posted Date: 4/25/05
DETROIT -- If early orders are an indication, Pontiac could have a winner in its Solstice roadster. GM quickly booked 1,000 orders for the two-seat convertible this month during a TV promotion.

But now GM says it won't ship a significant number of Solstices to dealerships until this fall - well past its summer target date meant to coincide with the peak of the convertible selling season.

Industry sources say fit problems are delaying the launch at GM's Wilmington, Del., plant.

In material distributed to reporters in January at the Detroit auto show, Pontiac said the Solstice was "expected in Pontiac showrooms in mid-2005." But GMTV, GM's Webcast media site, said last week that the car won't be on dealer lots until the fourth quarter. GM spokesmen say the Solstice will arrive in substantial quantities in late September or early October.

Dealers are cautious

Several Pontiac dealers say they are not promising delivery to customers until the fall, even though some vehicles may trickle out before then.

One Pontiac dealership in Houston was able to order four of the first vehicles - but GM has told the dealership the vehicles may not arrive until October.

"Now we're saying, 'Hey, you can expect it in August or two months after that," says Joe Pierce, a new-car sales manager at Beck & Masten Pontiac-GMC. Pontiac gave no reason for the delay, Pierce says.

"They are being really vague about it," he says. "It's hard to give an estimate on time."

Why the change?

Multiple sources close to the situation at the Wilmington, Del., plant say the Solstice is suffering from fit problems on the front fascia and convertible top.

Pontiac says it is "underpromising and overdelivering" to make sure cars satisfy customers.

"Quality is the biggest issue," says Pontiac spokesman Jim Hopson. "That's the critical element at this point, getting the last little bit taken care of."

Pontiac would not elaborate on quality issues. But it said nearly all startup programs have issues.

A spokesman for UAW Local 435 at Wilmington refused comment.

The Solstice, championed by GM Vice Chairman Robert Lutz, is built on the new Kappa rear-wheel-drive architecture. The automaker used a rapid development cycle for the vehicle.

Lori Queen, vehicle line executive for small cars, has said GM "blew up the entire vehicle-development process" in developing the Solstice.

GM tested ride and handling by computer simulation.

GM also is using a new hydroform stamping technique, cutting tooling costs and time.

"We are trying to do this extremely fast for GM," Hopson says. "It really is an experimental program, and we want to make absolutely certain we get it right."

Some dealers have expressed frustration with the delay because of the hype generated by Pontiac's marketing campaign involving "The Apprentice" TV show in mid-April.

The show dealt with the creation of a marketing theme for the Solstice, and Pontiac announced it would take orders for the first 1,000 cars.

GM says all 1,000 orders were placed, backed by $500 deposits.

 

[StageLeft]

Also we know how Mazda likes to overrate everything they own, sometimes so much they have to give away free stuff or offer to buy cars back.

Yeah they've done that twice AFAIK. Pretty lame, since a moron with a dyno can tell if they're accurate or not, so it's clear and away lying.

A limited production car for under MSRP....RIIIIIGHHTTT

Believe it or not GTAudiophile maintains that he saw a new one being sold, a few months ago, on a dealer lot for $17,900 for a new mazdaspeed miata! Pretty good 🙂

The thing with mazda is it offers--at least my local one--huge discounts over new. I can go and get a miata with like 20% off sticker right now I think.

 

[Apex]

I'm still feeling the Saturn Sky more than the Solstice.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: Fritzo
😕 A limited production car for under MSRP....RIIIIIGHHTTT. Here's the listing for the 4 our local dealer has:

M058027 2005 MAZDA MIATA / $ 25448
M058057 2005 MAZDA MIATA / $ 27100
M058058 2005 MAZDA MIATA / $ 26325
M058066 2005 MAZDA MIATA / $ 27125

Go over to the miata.net boards. Most people are getting them for under $20k.

 

[Tom]

what about interior space ? Miata is pretty dinky inside isn't it ?

 

[destined]

:thumbsdown:

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: AMDZen
LoL. 2.4 liter's and GM can only get 177 hp and 166 torque out of it?? That is sad.

Honda can get 240 Hp out of their 2.0 Liter VTEC motor in the S2000, and 156 torque. And this is supposed to compete. I just think its sad how much power GM is getting from these "Ecotec" motors.

1. it probably runs on regular
2. the honda motor is a 2.2 liter
3. the honda costs 60% more! (hint: they don't really compete)
4. you're a dumbass

LoL. Yea, I'm a dumbass and you don't even know jack sh!t about Honda's. The engine in the S2000 was originally a 2.0 liter motor, where as Honda toyed with the idea of making an S2200 with a 2.2 liter motor, and releasing it as a Hard Top. They decided against that so they put the 2.2 in the S2000 since it had a more usuable powerband, and more torque.

The numbers I quoted are for the 2.0 liter motor which was the original S2000 motor. If I was going to quote numbers for the new motor, it would be higher. Same 240 hp but higher torque.

Regardless, you guys are all missing the point. Besides the fact that most of you know nothing about Honda's, or you would have known what I explained above, its obvious that the American companies are trying to copy the power that Japanese companies have already mastered, and doing a poor job.

 

[NFS4]

Yummay

 

[stnicralisk]

I wish the Sky would be released a little sooner. I will be in the market for a car Summer 06 and they should just be coming to market at that time. It sounds perfect but I dont want to face the markup and IMO the Sky looks a lot better than the Solstice.

 

[slick230]

Originally posted by: stnicralisk
I wish the Sky would be released a little sooner. I will be in the market for a car Summer 06 and they should just be coming to market at that time. It sounds perfect but I dont want to face the markup and IMO the Sky looks a lot better than the Solstice.

Yay! A 2 month old thread bumped with a post not related to the topic! Bonus points for you!

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: slick230

Originally posted by: stnicralisk
I wish the Sky would be released a little sooner. I will be in the market for a car Summer 06 and they should just be coming to market at that time. It sounds perfect but I dont want to face the markup and IMO the Sky looks a lot better than the Solstice.

Yay! A 2 month old thread bumped with a post not related to the topic! Bonus points for you!

I wanted to ensure that I was abnegated of any possible duties as an ATOTer specifically any that involve not neffing any two month old threads back to life.

Another possible scenario is that its 6:47 and my dog pissed on my bed which means that I havent slept for 25.5 hours. This scenario truly negates any of your iron fist internet forum etiquitte laws! See also D1AF

Edit: Oh yes thanks for your off topic post. You dont get the bonus for revival but this thread is officially hijacked (and jumpstarted!)

 

[SLU MD]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: AMDZen
LoL. 2.4 liter's and GM can only get 177 hp and 166 torque out of it?? That is sad.

Honda can get 240 Hp out of their 2.0 Liter VTEC motor in the S2000, and 156 torque. And this is supposed to compete. I just think its sad how much power GM is getting from these "Ecotec" motors.

1. it probably runs on regular
2. the honda motor is a 2.2 liter
3. the honda costs 60% more! (hint: they don't really compete)
4. you're a dumbass

LoL. Yea, I'm a dumbass and you don't even know jack sh!t about Honda's. The engine in the S2000 was originally a 2.0 liter motor, where as Honda toyed with the idea of making an S2200 with a 2.2 liter motor, and releasing it as a Hard Top. They decided against that so they put the 2.2 in the S2000 since it had a more usuable powerband, and more torque.

The numbers I quoted are for the 2.0 liter motor which was the original S2000 motor. If I was going to quote numbers for the new motor, it would be higher. Same 240 hp but higher torque.

Regardless, you guys are all missing the point. Besides the fact that most of you know nothing about Honda's, or you would have known what I explained above, its obvious that the American companies are trying to copy the power that Japanese companies have already mastered, and doing a poor job.

i agree w/ most of the stuff you said, but GM isnt copying hondas motor. If they wanted to do that, they would just do that. its not hard. but that torque is low as hell.

By the way, this whole topic is weak, both these cars suck. you want a roadster, look at the nissan 350z. theres a car that looks better than both by far and will SMOKE them all day long. Handles like a dream.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: SLU MD
By the way, this whole topic is weak, both these cars suck. you want a roadster, look at the nissan 350z. theres a car that looks better than both by far and will SMOKE them all day long. Handles like a dream.

But again, that's about 10 grand more.

 

[CChaos]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Regardless, you guys are all missing the point. Besides the fact that most of you know nothing about Honda's, or you would have known what I explained above, its obvious that the American companies are trying to copy the power that Japanese companies have already mastered, and doing a poor job.

No, I think you're missing the point. When Pontiac offers up a $33k roadster, then we can talk S2000 all day long if you like. And when Pontiac drops the high powered engine option in the Solstice, it will likely make 100 more lb/ft of torque than the S2k motor you're talking about and considering that FI is likely there still really won't be any common ground.

There's a reason that everyone else is comparing the Sky/Solstice/Miata rather than the S2000 and it's not because nobody "gets it" but you, I promise.

Also, 162 lb/ft@6500rpm from a 2.2l motor is pretty low don't you think? I mean VAG's 2.0T makes 207 lb/ft@1800rpm! So much more torque at a much lower rpm from a smaller motor!

EDIT: Just realized how old this thread was. BLAH!