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[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Any scenario at all, you name it. Because I don't care what happens, I do not and will not ever support martial law in America. If that were to happen, America will die.

What if we were invaded?

What if a string of dirty bombs go off and we know that more are going to?

Ask yourself this question:

If America were truly in jeopardy of being destroyed, would you cling to your freedoms which you would inevitably lose by the loss of your country or would you understand that freedoms are worthless without the country that provides for them?

Lincoln and Truman got it right when they realized that the number one job of the president is to defend the country and make sure that it continues to exist. Our constitution is worthless without the country that safeguards it.

If America were going to be destroyed, I'd rather it be destroyed a free nation than as some fascist military-run state.

I don't think your being honest with yourself. If America were invaded I'd be willing to bet good money that you'd fight back with everything you have.

You're absolutely right, but that doesn't mean I want troops in the streets for "my protection."

 

[Martin]

Whats on your mind these days?

chicks.

 

[oldman420]

Now, digest my loaded answers to your loaded poll![/quote]
my rebuttal

The judiciary is the branch that has gone too far. They have usurped the constitution for decades with no real effort to change it legally.

Cite some valid examples of this.
It seems to me a president that thinks that "the constitution is just a god.... piece of paper" is directly and really a danger to it.
http://www.google.com/search?http://www...on+is+just+a+god+damned+peice+of+paper


I would join armed troops in my town in hunting terrorists.
As would I.

In the long term, everyone is endangered by the Islamic effort to rule the world.
show me some evidence aside from oil that indicates this.
we are the big invaders here.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&...+united+states+seek+to+rule+the+world+


Machines always have an error rate. The shame is on the ones who try to go to court to exploit what had been a 1.5% error rate in PCAM for years in order to wrest the 2000 presidential election from the elected winner.

According to the constitution every vote counts, to allow even a .0001% rate of error would be unacceptable under the constitution. we could get it right if we wanted to trust me.

Since the Clinton Presidency, I have always assumed that any communication that I conducted on anything electronic was monitored. In fact, I knew it was. At least Bush is doing it for something besides keeping Democratic rabble rousers in power.

again show me some examples please of what Bush is doing,I agree that we are being watched but this is not OK, 4th amendment issues.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment04/

There would be a social and/or political crisis in the US if we hadn't been able to keep the liberals at bay for the last eight years.
I'm just stunned by this one.


I think that Iran is just one finger on the power seeking hand of Islam.
And the rest of the hand would be? once again some examples would help.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: oldman420

Now, digest my loaded answers to your loaded poll!

my rebuttal

The judiciary is the branch that has gone too far. They have usurped the constitution for decades with no real effort to change it legally.

Cite some valid examples of this.
RVW - Judical law - how is that constitutional? Now you quote basis.

It seems to me a president that thinks that "the constitution is just a god.... piece of paper" is directly and really a danger to it.
http://www.google.com/search?http://www...on+is+just+a+god+damned+peice+of+paper


I would join armed troops in my town in hunting terrorists.
As would I.

In the long term, everyone is endangered by the Islamic effort to rule the world.
show me some evidence aside from oil that indicates this.
we are the big invaders here.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&...+united+states+seek+to+rule+the+world+



http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p.../cmselect/cmfaff/uc573-iii/uc57302.htm

"but the idea of using jihadi videos for recruitment dates back to Algeria in the early nineties, when this first started to be done. The GSPC and the GIA, the two main insurgency organisations in Algeria in the nineties, would film some of their ambushes and attacks on Algerian conscripts, on Algerian Army convoys, and they were horrific. They would take the camera - it would be very shaky - and film themselves slitting people's throats."

http://www.ifpafletcherconference.com/oldtranscripts/2002/emerson.htm
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/30007
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/24530
http://ararat-tour.com/main.php?id=3




Machines always have an error rate. The shame is on the ones who try to go to court to exploit what had been a 1.5% error rate in PCAM for years in order to wrest the 2000 presidential election from the elected winner.

According to the constitution every vote counts, to allow even a .0001% rate of error would be unacceptable under the constitution. we could get it right if we wanted to trust me.

This shows a shows a shocking ignorance of accounting history. Punch card accounting systems were developed by Thomas Watson in an attempt to correct the much larger error rates common prior to the minimal 1.5% error rate. That error rate had been accepted in PCAM systems for decades before the election of 2000. To illustrate that you can't believe everything you read on the net, http://axion.physics.ubc.ca/atm.html states that encryption was developed in 1979 for ATM systems. I know that to be false because I had been working on the IBM 3600 banking sub-system since 1973 and it had used DES type encryption codeing before 1979 in it's 3614 teller machines.

Since the Clinton Presidency, I have always assumed that any communication that I conducted on anything electronic was monitored. In fact, I knew it was. At least Bush is doing it for something besides keeping Democratic rabble rousers in power.

again show me some examples please of what Bush is doing,I agree that we are being watched but this is not OK, 4th amendment issues.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment04/

I guess you missed the threads on the Echelon system that had been in developement for the last fifty years, heh? Monies generated during the Clinton years brought new life and modern technology to easedropping through that network.

There would be a social and/or political crisis in the US if we hadn't been able to keep the liberals at bay for the last eight years.
I'm just stunned by this one.

Don't be, just be thankful that Gore wasn't able to steal the 2000 election!


I think that Iran is just one finger on the power seeking hand of Islam.
And the rest of the hand would be? once again some examples would help.

You look at a map of the ME lately? That and a little logic will get you there. Oh, I forgot - the logic part may be a little hard for you to come by.


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[Vic]

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Yes
Yes
No (business as usual, this crisis has been ongoing since 1776)
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Yes

 

[bamacre]

do you think Iran is evil?

Not possible. Iran is a country. The only thing in this world that can be good or evil is man, and on an individual basis. In my mind, "Iran" does not exist. For there is no such thing as an Iranian, nor is there a such thing as an American. Man is man, anything more is an illusion or unimportant.

is our way of life in jeopardy? are we doomed to failure?

Two questions here, with one set of answers. "Our" and "we" are not defined, so neither is answerable.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Deudalus

But I have to ask, would you support full blown martial law and troops in the streets?

Under what scenario?

Any scenario at all, you name it. Because I don't care what happens, I do not and will not ever support martial law in America. If that were to happen, America will die.

So, what are you going to do if martial law is declared?

 

[raildogg]

What law has been broken? If so, then why is Bush and other members of his regime still in office? Why not bring up the charges? Present some evidence?

Present some evidence instead of the daily BS about Bush. We have heard this a million times about Bush breaking the law, etc. Every time someone from another party comes into office, people from the other party automatically criticize him. If that is the case, which I believe is for the most part, then it'll all be alright.

If you have legitimate concerns outside of party affiliation, then bring them up. Mention specific abuses instead of bashing Bush daily, which accomplishes nothing and only makes people want to vote against your side.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: oldman420
Thank you so much, I endeavor to see if my thoughts are supported by the majority

The majority on these forums in real life are ac tually the minority.....sad but true!!

 

[daniel49]

change the phone calls and email to overseas only and I will change my vote from from yes to no.