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Poll: you talk about the issue all the time, but bottom line

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AntareStar

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Read a lot of threads of related issues, but I didn't manage to get a clear cut view of where AT's P&N opinions tend to, if at all.
Added a couple of extra questions for an elaborated view.
Sorry if its a repost, I didn't find a similar poll, though it seems logical to me that this one is not the first.
 
It depends on who shoots first (Han obviously). But IMHO I don't think it will be Iran and if Israel does I will have no sympath for them and I hope the US condemns the attack.
 
Israel. And as far as aid, I don't think the US should aid Israel in any way during the war (which I highly doubt would be prolonged as there's no way to fight a ground war between the two).
 
I would support neither.
Aid should be given to Israel to defend itself; not to fund aggression.
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
I would support neither.
Aid should be given to Israel to defend itself; not to fund aggression.
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I think they already have enough to defend themselves with. We've giving them billions every year for a while now.


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Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US


Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today's population, that is more than $5,700 per person.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html
 
Originally posted by: Tab
If a war between those two happenend; all hell would break loose.
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How so? The only one of the two capable of really causing world class chaos/destruction is Israel, but they have no intentions of doing so. So what exactly do you mean?
 
Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today's population, that is more than $5,700 per person.
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That actually pisses me off. If the Xtian view of God is correct then he won't let Israel be turned into glass.

 
Israel is our ally. Iran has sworn itself to be our enemy, seeking genocide against us. The choice between the two appears obvious to me. As for waging war, all necessary action to force the opponent to surrender or die.
 
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today's population, that is more than $5,700 per person.
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That actually pisses me off. If the Xtian view of God is correct then he won't let Israel be turned into glass.
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Or maybe he would, after all they did kill his son.
 
i'd have to support Israel over the nasty people running iran right now. it's a terrible shame what the usa did to iran all those years ago - overthrowing democratically elected, widely supported government - which has led to the country being controlled by religious nuts today.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Israel is under sane leadership?---they reminded me of a big bully when they raped Lebanon.
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We "raped" Lebanon?
Honey, I don't know how to break this to you, but the only thing our (Israeli) armed forces (AF, navy and army) did in that "war" was to disgrace itself.
Our country's north part was getting rocket bombed by Hezbolla all the time, causing hundreds of civilian injuries and casualties (but hey, that's what arabs do best anyway, hurting civilians, Americans should know that by now..).
The "war" was provoked by Hezbolla whos terrorists invaded into our country killed 8 soldiers and kidnapped 2 more which are still MIA.
Our armed forces was treating Lebanon as if it was a poor little country, doing everything they can not to hurt anyone but buildings, and while doing so, our armed forces made a huge effort to make sure they sustain a large number of casualties, which happens when you fight like an idiot and your chief of staff is a retard who's busy selling stocks (since he thought the market will drop due to the war) while the forces he was supposed to command were doing the worse they can to themselfs (many of these issues are currntly under invastigation, chief of staff was relived of duty, prime minister & deffence minister are probably next to pay the price for the fiasco).
Israel was VERY VERY affraid of what international comunity will say if we should god forbid harm too many poor Lebanese who shellter terrorists (these poor poor people).

Israel only punished itslef during the war, trust me, if we would have whished so, a country like Lebanon would not have been only "raped" by us, but vaporized much faster than you can imagine.
You Americans fight terrorists properly, you shoot first, and afterwards you ask the questions, unfortunatly that's the only way to fight terrorists. Even more unfortunate is that our govt. has no guts to do what you do.

I appriciate americans who support us, I pitty those of you who don't, since you're a target just as well as we are for the Iranians, you should have realized what's going on at least since 9/11.

And offcourse the bottom line, is that we're your ally. We might be forced to use more power than you'd like every now and then, but afterall, our interests are the same. Remmember who took out Iraqi nukes, and what would've happened if we didn't.

I'd like to finish with an Israeli saying: "Don't piss into the well you drink from", I think it doesn't require much explanations.
Good luck.
 
Originally posted by: azazyel
Originally posted by: Stunt
I would support neither.
Aid should be given to Israel to defend itself; not to fund aggression.
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I think they already have enough to defend themselves with. We've giving them billions every year for a while now.


Edit:

Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US


Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today's population, that is more than $5,700 per person.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html
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That is a bit misleading. Israel has recieved about 1-3 billion a year in aid for the past 30 years. That is 30-90 billion total. Even in the article they mention with inflation it comes to about 240 billion. A far cry from 1.6 Trillion which is an estimate of some DC analyst who doesnt appear to really have much more than a feeling on how much it costs.

 
Well, Israel is a modern, tolerant Democracy that is constantly under attack by Radical Jihadists.

Iran is an "Islamic Republic" (Read Theocratic Dictatorship) that has designs on obliterating Israel from the map and taking over the middle east, and eventually the world. (I honestly don't understand why it is fundamental Muslum doctrine to take over the world, but whatev). They are also VERY close to gaining a nuclear weapon that could potentially be used against the non-lethargic portion of the Western World.

Hmmmm...


Personally, I think we should back Israel, but ultimately Israel doesn't need any direct aid. They kicked the entire ME in the nuts 50 years ago, and have shown they can do it again.
 
Originally posted by: irishScott
Well, Israel is a modern, tolerant Democracy that is constantly under attack by Radical Jihadists.

Iran is an "Islamic Republic" (Read Theocratic Dictatorship) that has designs on obliterating Israel from the map and taking over the middle east, and eventually the world. (I honestly don't understand why it is fundamental Muslum doctrine to take over the world, but whatev). They are also VERY close to gaining a nuclear weapon that could potentially be used against the non-lethargic portion of the Western World.

Hmmmm...


Personally, I think we should back Israel, but ultimately Israel doesn't need any direct aid. They kicked the entire ME in the nuts 50 years ago, and have shown they can do it again.
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Actually, Lebanon just showed that they can't 😉

You're also confusing the policies of Iran with their administration. Remember that it was the support of the US that brought about the Aiatollah, and the subsequent understanding that Iran is now our enemy. The ave. Iranian is somewhat progressive. Many are young, and in no way support the policies of their gov't.

It's like the rest of the world looking at our administration and assuming that Americans are asshats, hate the French, and hate everyone else. You have to remind them that Bush was never elected..

Anyway, they're both wrong, and until Isreal renounces it's own terrorist policies, and stops ignoring international law (fat chance), then the US should offer no support.
 
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: irishScott
Well, Israel is a modern, tolerant Democracy that is constantly under attack by Radical Jihadists.

Iran is an "Islamic Republic" (Read Theocratic Dictatorship) that has designs on obliterating Israel from the map and taking over the middle east, and eventually the world. (I honestly don't understand why it is fundamental Muslum doctrine to take over the world, but whatev). They are also VERY close to gaining a nuclear weapon that could potentially be used against the non-lethargic portion of the Western World.

Hmmmm...


Personally, I think we should back Israel, but ultimately Israel doesn't need any direct aid. They kicked the entire ME in the nuts 50 years ago, and have shown they can do it again.
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Actually, Lebanon just showed that they can't 😉

You're also confusing the policies of Iran with their administration. Remember that it was the support of the US that brought about the Aiatollah, and the subsequent understanding that Iran is now our enemy. The ave. Iranian is somewhat progressive. Many are young, and in no way support the policies of their gov't.

It's like the rest of the world looking at our administration and assuming that Americans are asshats, hate the French, and hate everyone else. You have to remind them that Bush was never elected..

Anyway, they're both wrong, and until Isreal renounces it's own terrorist policies, and stops ignoring international law (fat chance), then the US should offer no support.
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1. Stop posting

2. Bush WAS legally elected via the American electoral system. Al Gore wasn't, John Kerry wasn't. Eat it.

3. Israel and terrorist policies? WTF? The Israelis take pains to NOT kill innocent civilians. Hamas kills innocent civilians on purpose.

4. Despite what the average Iranian may think, The government controls the army, money, and virtually everything within the nation. They can do whatever the hell they want.

5. As for my previous point. Israel has nukes. Any formal declaration of war with a nuclear capable Iran will more then likely include the launching of these nukes at Tehran. The Israelis also have the strongest Air Force, Army, and Navy in the region.

6. They may not be able to project force well, but invade Israel, and you will get your a$$ kicked.
 
Not a matter of country, it's a matter of action. If somone attacks without definite provocation then they're in the wrong in that war. There's no such thing as 'good guys' and 'bad guys' overall...it's actions that place you into one of those roles in any given case. That includes my own country as well.
 
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