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POLL: You opinions on a few "rights"

cKGunslinger

cKGunslinger

Lifer
Ok, this poll is an attempt to clear up a few things. Yes, it is very black-n-white and simplistic, but I can't put every nuance into a poll. For the sake of arguement, assume the following.


Abortion: If you say it should be legal, you mean that it should be a completely voluntary decision made by the woman, with no justification other than she wants to do it and her doctor agrees.

Owning Firearms: If you say it should be legal, you mean that it should be the way it stands now, there are some restrictions on the types of armaments you can purchase, but you can own any amount of currently legal guns for sale in the US.

Using Drugs: If you say it should be legal, you mean that narcotics should fall mostly under the same laws as alcohol, with age restrictions on purchase and penalties for accidents/crimes casues while under the influence.



If there is some option you don't like, feel free to suggest a replacement, etc. I think I covered all permutations of the 3 issues. If you don't like my definitions, well, don't vote and explain your opinions in your own words below.
 
BTW: I voted option 2, if anyone wants to know.



Edit: And yes, I am sitting around, quite bored, waiting for IT to move my PC to my new office. 😉
 
Like I said, I don't care how liberals practice birth control, but if I'm not there for the conception, don't send me the bills! Abortion legal - for - personal choice, free abortions paid for by the taxpayer, against!
 
Originally posted by: Condor
Like I said, I don't care how liberals practice birth control, but if I'm not there for the conception, don't send me the bills! Abortion legal - for - personal choice, free abortions paid for by the taxpayer, against!
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That's an option I haven't considered. For the sake of argument, let's say I meant that the cost would come out of the woman's pocket or private health care insurance - no federal funding.
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
They should all be legal IMO, though I have sent many people to jail for drug use.
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I disagree with cKG's definition of "legal abortion". It seems like drug use and firearm possession are basically given status of "rights with restrictions" while abortion is portrayed as an absolute right.

There are very few things that should be considered absolute rights. I think voting should be an absolute right. But most other "rights" require moderation b/c the execution of unlimited liberties could easily have dire consequences for others.

Accordingly, if the definition of abortion rights more closely reflected the very reasonable positions on firearms and drugs . . . I would vote for Option 1.

 
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: DonVito
They should all be legal IMO, though I have sent many people to jail for drug use.
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You're a lawyer? DA?
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Presently an AF JAG. I have worked extensively as a prosecutor (I actually sent one person to prison for life, actually) and defense attorney.
 
I don't believe Abortion and the use of Drugs is okay.... assuming the word 'Drugs' is referred to the current illegal ones such as Cocaine/Meth.

I do believe we should be able to own firearms for our own safety. We all know what happens with crime rates when we take away the second amendment just by looking at other countries who have already established this law.
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: DonVito
They should all be legal IMO, though I have sent many people to jail for drug use.
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I disagree with cKG's definition of "legal abortion". It seems like drug use and firearm possession are basically given status of "rights with restrictions" while abortion is portrayed as an absolute right.

There are very few things that should be considered absolute rights. I think voting should be an absolute right. But most other "rights" require moderation b/c the execution of unlimited liberties could easily have dire consequences for others.

Accordingly, if the definition of abortion rights more closely reflected the very reasonable positions on firearms and drugs . . . I would vote for Option 1.
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What kind of restrictions would you want on abortion? Legal only in cases of rape/incest/life-of-mother-in-danger or something more? As I understand it, abortions are pretty much legal to just about anyone who wants one (minors may need parental permission, I'm not sure.) So I pretty much just left that as it was, same with firearms. Since drugs are currently illegal, I tried to make it match our currently accepted alcohol policies.

I'm not really trying to force any agenda here, I'm honestly trying to present things as best as I see them.

 
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: DonVito
They should all be legal IMO, though I have sent many people to jail for drug use.
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You're a lawyer? DA?
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Presently an AF JAG. I have worked extensively as a prosecutor (I actually sent one person to prison for life, actually) and defense attorney.
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Question for you Don... how much did the Bush Administration's meddling with the JAG's and the Uniform Code of Military Justice affect your decision to vote against him and for Kerry? Just curious.


btw, I choose option 1, and pretty much agree with the way he defined all 3 issues, except for abortion I would like to see all government funding for it stopped, and for gun ownership I would like to see the repeal of any state and local laws limiting gun ownership and I would like to see increased access to licensed possession. I would like to see the drug laws changed more or less exactly as stated, with possession, usage, sale, and distribution regulations modeled off current alcohol laws.
 
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: DonVito
They should all be legal IMO, though I have sent many people to jail for drug use.
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I disagree with cKG's definition of "legal abortion". It seems like drug use and firearm possession are basically given status of "rights with restrictions" while abortion is portrayed as an absolute right.

There are very few things that should be considered absolute rights. I think voting should be an absolute right. But most other "rights" require moderation b/c the execution of unlimited liberties could easily have dire consequences for others.

Accordingly, if the definition of abortion rights more closely reflected the very reasonable positions on firearms and drugs . . . I would vote for Option 1.
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What kind of restrictions would you want on abortion? Legal only in cases of rape/incest/life-of-mother-in-danger or something more? As I understand it, abortions are pretty much legal to just about anyone who wants one (minors may need parental permission, I'm not sure.) So I pretty much just left that as it was, same with firearms. Since drugs are currently illegal, I tried to make it match our currently accepted alcohol policies.

I'm not really trying to force any agenda here, I'm honestly trying to present things as best as I see them.
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I would dramatically limit federal funding for abortions. But I would shift most of the funds to providing conception control (ALL methods). I would limit federal welfare funding for unmarried mothers (granted that might increase abortions). Abortion would still be an elective procedure through the first trimester (yes that's arbitrary). Afterwards, abortions for medical necessity would require approval by a medical board composed of ACOG-certified OB/GYNs. To be perfectly honest, I don't know what to do with rape/incest. The state should not be a party to compelling women to carry such pregnancies to term. Yet I cannot out of hand condemn the innocent to death merely due to the circumstances of their conception. In essence, I'm gonna punt that one.

The above is a difficult position for me b/c I do not support abortion. I wouldn't go so far as to criminalize it but I do not support broad abortion rights. Regardless, I do believe women should be able to execute broad procreative (primarily conception) control. It's a bit of a quandry but I can clearly distinguish procreative control versus birth control. The state should NOT regulate the former but has some role to play in the latter.

 
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: Condor
Like I said, I don't care how liberals practice birth control, but if I'm not there for the conception, don't send me the bills! Abortion legal - for - personal choice, free abortions paid for by the taxpayer, against!
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That's an option I haven't considered. For the sake of argument, let's say I meant that the cost would come out of the woman's pocket or private health care insurance - no federal funding.
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If the player is paying, I say go for it! It is a womans choice. Sorry, I am Republican, not churchy!
 
All legal, I had to debate with myself about the issue of abortion, as defined, and issues such as partial birth, rape, incest, et al; but ultimately I boiled down to the fact I have no right to tell a mother what is best for her child which I had no part in bringing into this world. She is the one who will ultimately bear the burden of her decision. As such I as a human being can only be there with a kind heart and a helping hand to support her in her decision no matter what that maybe. Because god and hell both know I would never want to be put in such a place of whether to choose life or death for an unborn child. Knowing full well I will have to suffer the emotional and spiritual consequences of my decision for the rest of my life and possibly after death.

As far as drugs go, it is my hope that by legalizing and regulating them it will be possible to provide drugs which are safer and can be kept out of the hands of teenagers. Tho' the fact most teenagers start drinking well before the age of majority is something to be concerned about when writing said regulations.

As far as firearms, I personally don't like them and think they should be banned outright in all forms and ways of obtaining them. But after discussions on this same issue in other threads I saw the naivness of this idea. The fact that this would leave criminals holding all the weapons and you and I defensless, moved me to a more moderate stance on this issue. Tho' I still don't like them and point to other nations where the right to bear arms is not in effect and murder rates and gun violence are markedly lower by factors of 10.
 
I'm not at all comfortable with drugs being legal, people have a hard enough time staying alive and free with alcohol. America simply has too many addictive personalities (i.e. the entirety of P/N) to be able to handle such a repsonsibility. If anything I would appreciate drug enforcement along the lines of "use them and don't be an idiot or 'we' reserve the right to take them away so you don't hurt yourself or others." Simply put, illegal but not enforced (tolerated) unless truly necessary.
 
I think they should all be legal....

But we should have a BAN on assault rifles and the like.


BTW, I should point out that bush just let the ban slide right by. He doesn't seem to care about your life or cops out on the street. But can't use any frozen embryos to begin new stem-cell lines???

Damn what a Flip Flopping bastard.

 
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but I'm strongly in favor of banning late term abortions (except in a situation where the mother's physical health is in danger), and I'm strongly in favor of background checks and waiting periods before buying a gun.
 
Originally posted by: FallenHero
Originally posted by: ericlp
I think they should all be legal....

But we should have a BAN on assault rifles and the like.
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Why? Because they look scary?
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Maybe because cops are out gunned when someone robs a bank?


How about when some whacked out crank snorting freak walks in the Burger King and wastes hundreds of innocent by standers?

Yeah, that is kind of scary to me.

 
i said 6, just because i think easier access to drugs like crack and coke is a bad thing. perhaps marijuana should be regulated


edit: and by firearms, i DONT mean assault weapons
 
Worried so much about a woman's right to choose while I legally can't choose to smoke a joint or trip out on LSD in my own home. Well if I can't have a choice neither can she, make them all illegal because drugs never will be.
 
I understand that you are trying to make the poll as broad and simple as possible, but I have to say that the I object to the ''Drugs" part. It's just a pet peeve for me when alcohol is grouped seperate from "drugs" and "drugs" is used incorrectly to identify only illegal drugs. It bothers me that many alcohol consumers are in denial of the fact that they are actually drug users. Am I the only person who see's the hypocrisy when a Partnership For a Drug Free America commercial is followed by an Absolut Vodka commercial?

Using Drugs: If you say it should be legal, you mean that narcotics should fall mostly under the same laws as alcohol, with age restrictions on purchase and penalties for accidents/crimes casues while under the influence.
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Better? :
Using Drugs: If you say it should be legal, you mean that currently prohibited mind altering drugs (cannabis, cocaine, etc.) should fall mostly under the same laws as currently legal mind altering drugs (alcohol, Rx, etc.), with age restrictions on purchase and penalties for accidents/crimes casued while under the influence.
 
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