Nothinman
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Then ask the companies that make them, if they run on OS X they're atleast half way there already. The only way to get companies to port things to ask for them, if they don't percieve an audience they aren't going to do anything.
Not really, Linus used no minix code because it wasn't totally free otherwise he would have used (and fixed his problems with) minix instead of creating Linux.
Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Originally posted by: bluemax
You find me some PROFESSIONAL music/audio packages that can use VST instruments and I'll convert.
No, we're not talking little audio clean-ups or MP3-rippers here.... PRO AUDIO. To the best of my knowledge, it's PC and MAC only... I've yet to find a serious linux audio prog. There's some decent little ones, but no comparison to Cubase VST....
Pretty much. Pro audio software on windows / mac vs. linux is like comparing a $5000 gaming computer to a super nintendo.
Like everything, the situation is rapidly changing. With ALSA drivers and stuff like low latency JACK plugins, I've begun to notice that there are more and more things being developed for linux.
Most of it is more of a DJ bent, but you see somethings that have good promise.
It's worth keeping a good look at linux. Maybe not for your workstations right now, but their are plenty of other ways it could help you out. Especially if you use Macs, since they are both unix-style OS's then you can realy tightly integrate their operation and make services and stuff transparent to the users.
Anyways I am sure that Nothingham ment to say is that for 95% of what you'd ever using Windows (or Macs) for, linux can fit the bill perfectly. Certian niche markets are undeveloped for Linux and the major thing for most PC centric people is the gaming situation.
One likely programs is called Ardour
They seem pretty hardcore about everything, and I've heard that the quality of it has increased quite a bit of late.
from their title page
So if your realy serious about seeking linux possiblities for audio developement this project is something that I think would be worth checking out.
Also I noticed that it is hard to find a great deal of information on stuff like this for linux. So places like LinuxDJ.com are a good place to find info on projects and new developements
I am not expecting anybody to go "WOW" and switch to linux for higher-end audio developement. But it's worth to keep a eye on.
For instance if you could use this to set up a extra cheap workstation to get more work done, then switch to a Mac or a Windows machine to finish up and do the extra 10% that you can't do on Linux.
I don't know. It's not like I realy know a lot about VST, digital audio workstations or anything, but I am just trying to be helpfull.
There is no price tag (w/ in the context of this discussion). It comes with any new Mac.
If you have an older machine it's $49. A "family-pack" license for 5 machines is $79. That's a steal. There is nothing in the price range that competes. And with the integration between .mac and iTMS it's an amazing combo, if you buy into it all.
If you have an older machine it's $49. A "family-pack" license for 5 machines is $79. That's a steal. There is nothing in the price range that competes. And with the integration between .mac and iTMS it's an amazing combo, if you buy into it all.
Thanks. I think we can accept it as a given than one needs to purchase a computer to run software. This would be a valid point if Mac competitors were FREE.
You said a Mac was an overpriced PC that just had a PPC CPU. I basically said the sum was more than the whole of the parts. Part of that whole being iLife.
So while the Mac looked at, simplistically, from a HW standpoint is not exceptional. Taken as a whole with the software that is included the value picture changes.
You don't think there is value in integration. You're wrong. Sun, Apple, HP & IBM all make money doing it. And I can tell you there are many, many companies out here in DC doing contract work for the .gov that falls under the systems integration banner. It is a multi billion dollar business.
Can Apple show the value of their systems to a broader customer base? I'm doubtful - the idea that a $249 MP3 player is mass market is laughable. Maybe Apple should move out of California and setup shop in the Midwest.
One likely programs is called Ardour
I am not expecting anybody to go "WOW" and switch to linux for higher-end audio developement. But it's worth to keep a eye on.
For instance if you could use this to set up a extra cheap workstation to get more work done, then switch to a Mac or a Windows machine to finish up and do the extra 10% that you can't do on Linux.
I don't know. It's not like I realy know a lot about VST, digital audio workstations or anything, but I am just trying to be helpfull.
:Q :Q That's enough to make ME say WOW!! That's some serious stuff! If they live up to the claim of being as good or better than all the "big boys" in the pro-audio biz, they've got my attention! Especially if the program is cheap/free!! That's enough to make me create a partition to try it out!! Where can I get the best/easiest version of Linux to use this? Bear in mind I'll be a total newbie!
Nothinman
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But in this cause one has to buy a pretty expensive computer to run a small subset of software.
Yes it gets worse as you realize that you can't run pretty much any game or piece of commercial software. Then you notice that you're stuck with a very small subset of upgrade hardware too because noone makes OS X drivers even though the PCI slots would work fine with the hardware.
And how many of them are integrating with OS X?
Originally posted by: bluemax
One likely programs is called Ardour
I am not expecting anybody to go "WOW" and switch to linux for higher-end audio developement. But it's worth to keep a eye on.
For instance if you could use this to set up a extra cheap workstation to get more work done, then switch to a Mac or a Windows machine to finish up and do the extra 10% that you can't do on Linux.
I don't know. It's not like I realy know a lot about VST, digital audio workstations or anything, but I am just trying to be helpfull.
:Q :Q That's enough to make ME say WOW!! That's some serious stuff! If they live up to the claim of being as good or better than all the "big boys" in the pro-audio biz, they've got my attention! Especially if the program is cheap/free!! That's enough to make me create a partition to try it out!! Where can I get the best/easiest version of Linux to use this? Bear in mind I'll be a total newbie!
Well they don't live up to the big boys yet.
Read the FAQ on their page and see how far they've gotten with their project. Looks like they have gotten to the point were it's a great tool for making music, but stuff like support of VST is lagging behind because the propriatory and non-standard ways people make plug-ins.
But this is one of those projects that shows lots of promise and is probable capable of 60-80 percent of what the high end programs are capable of. Projects like these can realy go fast depending on how well received they are by the target audiance. Wouldn't be the first time that a open source program outstrips the performance and usefullness of high end programs.
The major great thing about it though is that using it a average joe can get a good taste of what it's like to run high-end stuff. But since this is designed to be a professional tool the setup isn't going to be the easiest thing in the world. They have strigent requirements on proccessor speed and you have to go thru extra steps of setting up Alsa and low-latency Jack stuff. If your intrested probably the best distro to start off with would be Suse since they support Alsa well out of the box. But I am not sure, maybe something like Debian would be better because it's more easily modified.
This would be great if your a amature musician and can't afford all the highend stuff. You can probably get a nice midi keyboard, a nice Audigy2 or Extigy (or a profession sound card if you can afford it) sound some nice Mics and studio style stereo equipment and be able to bang out some realy nice quality music for a low bugdet.
Another good example of a media program designed for pro use is Cinelerra. It's designed for real-time editing and mixing of media streams. Check out the samples you can download. Very high quality stuff.
It's another thing that is difficult to set up and has some strigent hardware needs. But it's designed for pro use and is usefull for creating high-quality video. The recommended hardware requirements are something like a high-end AMD dual proccessing machine with SCSI or a small PC cluster. But if you have a fast computer it's possible to use it.
They actually recommend that you use other programs if you just want to fool around with video stuff. But I bet it's cool to mess around with if your serious about this sort of thing.
They warn that many people who just want to be able to make home movies and stuff end up getting very frustrated by using this program, because it's just not what it was designed to do. I think that this ardour thing is probably in the same catagory.
But if your realy serious, right now nothing beats a Mac for this sort of stuff. But since I don't own a Mac and like my Linux these are things worth taking a serious look at.
PS. I am using Debian unstable and Ardour is aviable to me thru the apt-get system.
I clicked yes, but it's not exactly true... I'd buy it and put it on a machine, but that doesn't mean that I'd "SWITCH", which is what the question asks.
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Yeah, just to clear things up, Darwin does run on a x86 architecture, and you can download it freely. However, the GUI (named Aqua), is not available, and never will be.
Apple has their ways of making their money, and yes, it's all hardware. So you figure that when you buy a DVD+/-R drive, you could use it with their iDVD software, right? Think again. It ONLY writes with their Apple "Superdrive" (rebadged Pioneer DVR-A04), which is a $200 premium over their CD-RW/DVD-ROM. Think of the profit margin on that! A drive, that costs the SAME amount to build as the original, costs an extra two hundred dollars. So when you buy that nice little iLife package, don't forget the extra ways that they'll nickel and dime you to death. Or more like, some Grants and Benjamins, if you catch my drift.
Apple has their ways of making their money, and yes, it's all hardware. So you figure that when you buy a DVD+/-R drive, you could use it with their iDVD software, right? Think again. It ONLY writes with their Apple "Superdrive" (rebadged Pioneer DVR-A04), which is a $200 premium over their CD-RW/DVD-ROM. Think of the profit margin on that! A drive, that costs the SAME amount to build as the original, costs an extra two hundred dollars. So when you buy that nice little iLife package, don't forget the extra ways that they'll nickel and dime you to death. Or more like, some Grants and Benjamins, if you catch my drift.
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