Poll: would you support a Mexico-US border fence?

[BBond]

Originally posted by: dmcanally

Originally posted by: BBond
ONLY if it includes TEXAS -- and then only if Bush and his entire administration is on the god-forsaken ranch in Crawford when it's completed.

Do you realize that Texans hate bush just as much as you do (I make this point cause I have a feeling your partisan hatred for Bush forces you to spout such idiocy)? Do you realize that Texas is one of few states that could support itself without the United States?

Where does the hatred for Texas come from? Please answer the question with a calm and intelligent answer. I don?t want to hear ?conservative this, republican that, no liberal this?. Opinions and statements made purely on partisanship makes me want to puke.

If Texas can support itself without the United States I would like to go on record as the first person to officially request that it does so.

My hatred for Texas and all things Texan comes from my love of America and the realization that the "Texas" brand of politics that is the hallmark of people like pseudo-Texan George W. Bush and that slimey scum KKKarl Rove is doing the country I love irreparable harm.

 

[dmcanally]

Originally posted by: BBond
If Texas can support itself without the United States I would like to go on record as the first person to officially request that it does so.

My hatred for Texas and all things Texan comes from my love of America and the realization that the "Texas" brand of politics that is the hallmark of people like pseudo-Texan George W. Bush and that slimey scum KKKarl Rove is doing the country I love irreparable harm.

Well that sucks man, Im sad to see someone spit on Texas over such poor reasons. Just so you know, as a Natural Born Texan, and a member of the Republic of Texas, I whole heartedly dissaprove of both men you mentioned. Bush and Rove are most certainly scum bags.

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Meuge
Put up a fence, and gun towers within visual range of each other (1-3 miles). 50-cal turrets w. night vision/infrared/daylight optics, as well as planar long-range speakers - remote-controlled. Have the computer warn the border patrol center if anything larger than a coyote moves into range... then the operator will determine if it's a person. If it is, then use the speaker to warn them to turn back. If they don't, use the 50-cal.

That's so nice of you.

Kill people who want a better life because their country sucks.

I'm not suggesting killing them, but if their country sucks, it's their responsibility to improve it. We cannot afford to take care of them, they are destroying our economy, burdening our social services and undermining our minimum wage laws and basic worker's rights. If they want to come here legally, that's great.

 

[dmcanally]

Originally posted by: phantom309
I'm not suggesting killing them, but if their country sucks, it's their responsibility to improve it. We cannot afford to take care of them, they are destroying our economy, burdening our social services and undermining our minimum wage laws and basic worker's rights. If they want to come here legally, that's great.

:thumbsup:

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: dmcanally

Originally posted by: BBond
If Texas can support itself without the United States I would like to go on record as the first person to officially request that it does so.

My hatred for Texas and all things Texan comes from my love of America and the realization that the "Texas" brand of politics that is the hallmark of people like pseudo-Texan George W. Bush and that slimey scum KKKarl Rove is doing the country I love irreparable harm.

Well that sucks man, Im sad to see someone spit on Texas over such poor reasons. Just so you know, as a Natural Born Texan, and a member of the Republic of Texas, I whole heartedly dissaprove of both men you mentioned. Bush and Rove are most certainly scum bags.

And I'm sad to see Texas spit on America via such poor examples of "Texans".

 

[trenchfoot]

i voted yes in support of all those legal immigrants that obeyed our laws and did it right.
the moment illegal immigrants stepped foot into the US they knowingly became by existing US laws criminals, with criminal intent.
these illegals are here to reap those rights and privileges of US citizenship without swearing an oath of loyalty and becoming lawful citizens of the USofA.

 

[AragornTK]

I say we get clay pigeon throwers, and every britney spears, christina aguilerra, jessica simpson, ashley simpson CD... you get the idea

and we use the clay pigeon throwers to shoot them at the mexicans and canadians trying to come into the US

we could even charge people to let them shoot CD's at people...

Honestly though, if your country sucks, leave, legally move to another country
If you can't do that, sorry, but it's up to you to improve your country

 

[Zebo]

The only problem I have with illegal immigration is one of screening the people. Some have criminal records which is why 95% of all hommocide warrants in LA county are for illegals. Many criminals are rolling in here to either escape justice in mex or escape being black listed there for past crimes. I don't see what a fence will do since theyll just cut it, climb, dig a tunnel under it. Sounds like fluff feel good measure and of course just another no-bid contract for HALIBURTON. Need to address the issue from the demand standpoint. e.g. massive fines and even jail for those employing illegals. Granted some laws exist now but they arn't enforced so really the law is ignored by most business owners I know.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Dont need a fence just put up some warning signs and lay down landmines and claymores with booby traps. Some watch towers with long range sniper rifles would be nice.

Think of it this way as soon as you make a suggestion like this someone will say you are a racist. However, the way I look at it we are being invaded by Mexico. A country under attack needs to defend itself. Just ask Mexico how they treat the people that try to cross their southern border.

Not racist but definity cruel and violates the 7th amendment by any reasonable persons judgement.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Holy cow, 95% of outstanding homicide warrants are for illegals

 

[compuwiz1]

I support the barrier idea, or fence as some would call it. Back in the days, when I was in boot camp, we were told that if we saw any illegals on goverment land, to open fire. :Q

 

[xeemzor]

A fence wouldn't be an effective tool in stop illegals from crossing over. Plus, it would violate everything this country stands for. What needs to be done, is to prosecute illegals. Make "detention centers" where illegals works of their crimes.

 

[dahunan]

What is it about the word ILLEGAL that people just choose to ignore? Is it because most mexicans are short and remind them of Speedy Gonzalez
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/42/Speedy.jpg

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: Zebo
The only problem I have with illegal immigration is one of screening the people. Some have criminal records which is why 95% of all hommocide warrants in LA county are for illegals. Many criminals are rolling in here to either escape justice in mex or escape being black listed there for past crimes. I don't see what a fence will do since theyll just cut it, climb, dig a tunnel under it. Sounds like fluff feel good measure and of course just another no-bid contract for HALIBURTON. Need to address the issue from the demand standpoint. e.g. massive fines and even jail for those employing illegals. Granted some laws exist now but they arn't enforced so really the law is ignored by most business owners I know.

To be honest, I dont think anything meaningful will ever be done. Democrats won't touch illegal immigration because Mexicans are brown, and the guilty white yuppies, quivering academics and humor-free Carrie Nation types who compose the Democratic party are terrified of doing anything which even one "person of color" might take offense to.

Republican leaders are publicly strongly against illegal immigration because Mexicans are brown, and the suburban burghers, fundie wackos and Billybob-and-Cooter types who make up the Republican base don't like nasty tacky Mary-worshipping brown people and just wish theyd go away. But.....who owns the businesses that employ all those brown people who work so cheap and complain so little? Who's making giant profits because they don't have to pay their employees minimum wage, or adhere to OSHA regs, or pay for health insurance, or even drive them to the hospital if they get injured on the job? It would seem that doing away with an 11 million member pool of cheap off-the-books labor might be bad business for some very powerful interests.

 

[Engineer]

I'm not sure it would do any good.

P.S. Engineer will wave to you all as he crosses the border into Mexico tomorrow from Texas. Will be back and forth all week on business putting the Mexicans out of work with automation! :shocked:

(well, sort of)

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Engineer
I'm not sure it would do any good.

P.S. Engineer will wave to you all as he crosses the border into Mexico tomorrow from Texas. Will be back and forth all week on business putting the Mexicans out of work with automation! :shocked:

(well, sort of)

You are just starting a cycle of sending more of them here when they lose their jobs there

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: xeemzor
A fence wouldn't be an effective tool in stop illegals from crossing over. Plus, it would violate everything this country stands for. What needs to be done, is to prosecute illegals. Make "detention centers" where illegals works of their crimes.

Why wouldn't a large, well patrolled fence work?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: phantom309

Originally posted by: Zebo
The only problem I have with illegal immigration is one of screening the people. Some have criminal records which is why 95% of all hommocide warrants in LA county are for illegals. Many criminals are rolling in here to either escape justice in mex or escape being black listed there for past crimes. I don't see what a fence will do since theyll just cut it, climb, dig a tunnel under it. Sounds like fluff feel good measure and of course just another no-bid contract for HALIBURTON. Need to address the issue from the demand standpoint. e.g. massive fines and even jail for those employing illegals. Granted some laws exist now but they arn't enforced so really the law is ignored by most business owners I know.

To be honest, I dont think anything meaningful will ever be done. Democrats won't touch illegal immigration because Mexicans are brown, and the guilty white yuppies, quivering academics and humor-free Carrie Nation types who compose the Democratic party are terrified of doing anything which even one "person of color" might take offense to.

Republican leaders are publicly strongly against illegal immigration because Mexicans are brown, and the suburban burghers, fundie wackos and Billybob-and-Cooter types who make up the Republican base don't like nasty tacky Mary-worshipping brown people and just wish theyd go away. But.....who owns the businesses that employ all those brown people who work so cheap and complain so little? Who's making giant profits because they don't have to pay their employees minimum wage, or adhere to OSHA regs, or pay for health insurance, or even drive them to the hospital if they get injured on the job? It would seem that doing away with an 11 million member pool of cheap off-the-books labor might be bad business for some very powerful interests.

Tha's basically the bottom line. Hiring a native to do nasty work like stucco, framing etc would cost you upwards of $22 an hour while a illegal mexican or south/central american is happy @ $12 (southwest pricing here) - Actually enforcing immigration law means less profit for the biz owners and more cost for a house or end product for everyone. It's really a small minority who really have a problem. You have racists, p[robably really small. Those undercut from employment, construction workers and other semi skilled labor. And finally those concerned about law and order. All told I'd wager the issue effects a very small portion of the electorate compared to the beneficiaries.

 

[dahunan]

I just want people to follow the law.. I couldn't care if they were purple or had two heads.. just follow the laws and we will all get along.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I just want people to follow the law.. I couldn't care if they were purple or had two heads.. just follow the laws and we will all get along.

It would be nice. Because I don't know how easy/hard is it to get a work visa or become a naturalized citizen in the US if you are a destitute Mexican migrant worker? Or worse yet, a slave in some southeast Asian nation?

I do want to add how appalled but not really suprised I am at how little human life means to people on this board. "Free the Iraqis, and shoot the Mexicans!"

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: phantom309

Originally posted by: Zebo
The only problem I have with illegal immigration is one of screening the people. Some have criminal records which is why 95% of all hommocide warrants in LA county are for illegals. Many criminals are rolling in here to either escape justice in mex or escape being black listed there for past crimes. I don't see what a fence will do since theyll just cut it, climb, dig a tunnel under it. Sounds like fluff feel good measure and of course just another no-bid contract for HALIBURTON. Need to address the issue from the demand standpoint. e.g. massive fines and even jail for those employing illegals. Granted some laws exist now but they arn't enforced so really the law is ignored by most business owners I know.

To be honest, I dont think anything meaningful will ever be done. Democrats won't touch illegal immigration because Mexicans are brown, and the guilty white yuppies, quivering academics and humor-free Carrie Nation types who compose the Democratic party are terrified of doing anything which even one "person of color" might take offense to.

Republican leaders are publicly strongly against illegal immigration because Mexicans are brown, and the suburban burghers, fundie wackos and Billybob-and-Cooter types who make up the Republican base don't like nasty tacky Mary-worshipping brown people and just wish theyd go away. But.....who owns the businesses that employ all those brown people who work so cheap and complain so little? Who's making giant profits because they don't have to pay their employees minimum wage, or adhere to OSHA regs, or pay for health insurance, or even drive them to the hospital if they get injured on the job? It would seem that doing away with an 11 million member pool of cheap off-the-books labor might be bad business for some very powerful interests.

Tha's basically the bottom line. Hiring a native to do nasty work like stucco, framing etc would cost you upwards of $22 an hour while a illegal mexican or south/central american is happy @ $12 (southwest pricing here) - Actually enforcing immigration law means less profit for the biz owners and more cost for a house or end product for everyone. It's really a small minority who really have a problem. You have racists, p[robably really small. Those undercut from employment, construction workers and other semi skilled labor. And finally those concerned about law and order. All told I'd wager the issue effects a very small portion of the electorate compared to the beneficiaries.

In addition to the crime costs, what about the astronomical health and education associated with all the kids? A guy making $10/hr as an illegal probably doesn't get health insurance on top of that.

Sure, it's nice for a person to build a 5 bedroom mansion for 200k, but he is riding on the back of our nation's struggling tax system.

NOTHING is free. NOTHING.

 

[Pepsei]

we don't need another berlin wall, what are we? the soviet union?

er maybe a moat filled with snakes....

 

[compuwiz1]

I don't have as much of a problem with people who come here, become gainfully employed, making themselves useful to society. What I do have a problem with, is the ones who come over here, then commit crimes and live off our social support systems, while making no contribution.

 

[Moonbeam]

In case nobody has said so, I would not support a border fence because they invented fence posts to do that.

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Meuge
Put up a fence, and gun towers within visual range of each other (1-3 miles). 50-cal turrets w. night vision/infrared/daylight optics, as well as planar long-range speakers - remote-controlled. Have the computer warn the border patrol center if anything larger than a coyote moves into range... then the operator will determine if it's a person. If it is, then use the speaker to warn them to turn back. If they don't, use the 50-cal.

That's so nice of you.

Kill people who want a better life because their country sucks.

It's a shame that the Native Americans didn't think of this earlier.

:disgust: