POLL: With three days left, who do you think will win? Not who you WANT to win.

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In alphabetical order.

 

[nageov3t]

McCain, John



edit: seriously, I'm thinking Bush... but we probably won't know until a week or two before Christmas.

 

[tallest1]

these poll threads need to stop.....

 

[Isla]

Who will actually win, or who will win the resulting lawsuit?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: tallest1
these poll threads need to stop.....

No kidding. I have no fricken idea. It's close.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Isla
Who will actually win, or who will win the resulting lawsuit?

Umm, I guess who will be sworn in come 05

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Kerry, and it won't be all that close (i.e., no need for litigation). The incumbent is in trouble if the polls are this close, this shortly before the election. We will have a new President-elect on Tuesday night, and neoconservatism will be a historical footnote within a year.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: DonVito
Kerry, and it won't be all that close (i.e., no need for litigation). The incumbent is in trouble if the polls are this close, this shortly before the election. We will have a new President-elect on Tuesday night, and neoconservatism will be a historical footnote within a year.

You really, truly think that? I just see bush as probably coming in, but I did have a dream a week back that kerry was the president and I met him in person.

 

[Gusty987]

Originally posted by: DonVito
Kerry, and it won't be all that close (i.e., no need for litigation). The incumbent is in trouble if the polls are this close, this shortly before the election. We will have a new President-elect on Tuesday night, and neoconservatism will be a historical footnote within a year.

Amen.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: DonVito
Kerry, and it won't be all that close (i.e., no need for litigation). The incumbent is in trouble if the polls are this close, this shortly before the election. We will have a new President-elect on Tuesday night, and neoconservatism will be a historical footnote within a year.

a boy can dream

the only situation in which I can see that happening is if we get a swell of new, young democratic voters in swing states (ie: unlikely voters who probably haven't been showing up in polling data). but we'll have to wait until November 2nd to see if my generation will bother raising their hands this year.

I've been doing my share 4 of my friends, who not 6 months ago said they weren't going to vote, are now all registered and planning on voting next week.

 

[chess9]

Skoorb:

You get my vote even if you are a right wing nut. j/k
Anybody but Bush. Crimson, where are you?

-Robert

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
You really, truly think that? I just see bush as probably coming in, but I did have a dream a week back that kerry was the president and I met him in person.

Yep, I really, truly think that. I have not been this optimistic about the race the entire time, but at this point the numbers are tough to ignore. Bush was leading by a statistically significant amount at this point in the race in 2000, and the present race is a dead heat (according to the Harris Poll, which was perfectly accurate as to the Bush/Gore race, Kerry leads by 1%).

Traditionally 2/3 of undecided voters this close to the election favor the challenger; I don't think the fact that we are at war (an entirely optional, offensive war, as it happens) will change that TOO much.

This election will, IMO, show the highest percentage of people eligible to vote turning out at the polls of any presidential election in many years. The Democrats have been far more effective in registering voters this year than the Republicans, and this will be the deciding factor. Moreover, the Democrats have an army of volunteer attorneys ready to jump on any polling shenanigans by the Republicans, which may prove very handy indeed.

I'll say it again: I believe Kerry will win. I believe he'll win the popular and electoral votes, and there will be no need for litigation.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: chess9
Skoorb:

You get my vote even if you are a right wing nut. j/k
Anybody but Bush. Crimson, where are you?

-Robert

I'm not right wing (ok I'm 51/49 right/left...60/40 TOPS). I can't vote, so I get to bash BOTH sides! For me, I get to cheer no matter who wins on Nov 2. Whether I get to bathe in the tears of Sean Penn or...well actually, I love arnie, and I hate for his party to lose. If I could vote, I'd vote for the governator.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Skoorb
You really, truly think that? I just see bush as probably coming in, but I did have a dream a week back that kerry was the president and I met him in person.

Yep, I really, truly think that. I have not been this optimistic about the race the entire time, but at this point the numbers are tough to ignore. Bush was leading by a statistically significant amount at this point in the race in 2000, and the present race is a dead heat (according to the Harris Poll, which was perfectly accurate as to the Bush/Gore race, Kerry leads by 1%).

Traditionally 2/3 of undecided voters this close to the election favor the challenger; I don't think the fact that we are at war (an entirely optional, offensive war, as it happens) won't change that TOO much.

This election will, IMO, show the highest percentage of people eligible to vote turning out at the polls of any presidential election in many years. The Democrats have been far more effective in registering voters this year than the Republicans, and this will be the deciding factor. Moreover, the Democrats have an army of volunteer attorneys ready to jump on any polling shenanigans by the Republicans, which may prove very handy indeed.

I'll say it again: I believe Kerry will win. I believe he'll win the popular and electoral votes, and there will be no need for litigation.

Definitely it seems, though I didn't pay much attention in 2000, that young voters are being asked to throw in a ballet (vote or die, mtv's 20 million, etc.), and they traditionally favour liberals. I see what you're saying, and I still think bush will win, but you may indeed be onto something. 3 days and we'll know (God willing it won't be a big legal mess).

 

[Rainsford]

Last time one of these polls came up, I said Bush. Now I'm going with Kerry. Not because I like him, but because he's showing improvement in the polls, and as people have said, polling like Bush has been is pretty crummy for an incumbent if they expect to win.

 

[lordtyranus]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Skoorb
You really, truly think that? I just see bush as probably coming in, but I did have a dream a week back that kerry was the president and I met him in person.

Yep, I really, truly think that. I have not been this optimistic about the race the entire time, but at this point the numbers are tough to ignore. Bush was leading by a statistically significant amount at this point in the race in 2000, and the present race is a dead heat (according to the Harris Poll, which was perfectly accurate as to the Bush/Gore race, Kerry leads by 1%).

Traditionally 2/3 of undecided voters this close to the election favor the challenger; I don't think the fact that we are at war (an entirely optional, offensive war, as it happens) will change that TOO much.

This election will, IMO, show the highest percentage of people eligible to vote turning out at the polls of any presidential election in many years. The Democrats have been far more effective in registering voters this year than the Republicans, and this will be the deciding factor. Moreover, the Democrats have an army of volunteer attorneys ready to jump on any polling shenanigans by the Republicans, which may prove very handy indeed.

I'll say it again: I believe Kerry will win. I believe he'll win the popular and electoral votes, and there will be no need for litigation.

Wasn't Bush ahead in the polls at this time 4 years ago? While not the President, Al Gore seems to have fit the incumbent role and Bush the challenger. In this case, the undecidends went for the incumbent.

 

[Megamixman]

im thinking Bush will get the popular and Kerry will get electoral, there probably will be need for litigation and dont even get the idea of someone winning by mandate, thats completely out fo the question

 

[judasmachine]

i got dibs on the "With Two days left...." Poll!

Just kidding.

Honestly, I am thinking that Kerry might pull this one out of his ass, but it's still really too close to call.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Skoorb
You really, truly think that? I just see bush as probably coming in, but I did have a dream a week back that kerry was the president and I met him in person.

Yep, I really, truly think that. I have not been this optimistic about the race the entire time, but at this point the numbers are tough to ignore. Bush was leading by a statistically significant amount at this point in the race in 2000, and the present race is a dead heat (according to the Harris Poll, which was perfectly accurate as to the Bush/Gore race, Kerry leads by 1%).

Traditionally 2/3 of undecided voters this close to the election favor the challenger; I don't think the fact that we are at war (an entirely optional, offensive war, as it happens) will change that TOO much.

This election will, IMO, show the highest percentage of people eligible to vote turning out at the polls of any presidential election in many years. The Democrats have been far more effective in registering voters this year than the Republicans, and this will be the deciding factor. Moreover, the Democrats have an army of volunteer attorneys ready to jump on any polling shenanigans by the Republicans, which may prove very handy indeed.

I'll say it again: I believe Kerry will win. I believe he'll win the popular and electoral votes, and there will be no need for litigation.

Wasn't Bush ahead in the polls at this time 4 years ago? While not the President, Al Gore seems to have fit the incumbent role and Bush the challenger. In this case, the undecidends went for the incumbent.

Silly comparison. Al Gore wasn't President, and while you might think he was close enough, the fact is that when one guy is running to keep his job and the other guy in running to take it, the climate changes. However, in REAL imcumbent situations, the undecides skew towards the challenger. Being VP is not the same thing as being President, it might be "closer", but it's still not looked at the same way.

Edit: To expand on that, you can't blame or praise Gore for that Clinton did or didn't do, everyone knows the VP doesn't have much to do with anything (most of the time).

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Skoorb
You really, truly think that? I just see bush as probably coming in, but I did have a dream a week back that kerry was the president and I met him in person.

Yep, I really, truly think that. I have not been this optimistic about the race the entire time, but at this point the numbers are tough to ignore. Bush was leading by a statistically significant amount at this point in the race in 2000, and the present race is a dead heat (according to the Harris Poll, which was perfectly accurate as to the Bush/Gore race, Kerry leads by 1%).

Traditionally 2/3 of undecided voters this close to the election favor the challenger; I don't think the fact that we are at war (an entirely optional, offensive war, as it happens) will change that TOO much.

This election will, IMO, show the highest percentage of people eligible to vote turning out at the polls of any presidential election in many years. The Democrats have been far more effective in registering voters this year than the Republicans, and this will be the deciding factor. Moreover, the Democrats have an army of volunteer attorneys ready to jump on any polling shenanigans by the Republicans, which may prove very handy indeed.

I'll say it again: I believe Kerry will win. I believe he'll win the popular and electoral votes, and there will be no need for litigation.

DV, you just made my day! Anecdotally, I know and have met an enormous number of people who either have never voted, or who seldom vote or care, who are incredibly energized to vote for John Kerry. It's why I am CONFIDENT that my home state, the great, green Commonwealth of Pennsylvania will step up and sweep for Kerry, and it gives me great hope for the rest of our nation.

 

[lordtyranus]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Skoorb
You really, truly think that? I just see bush as probably coming in, but I did have a dream a week back that kerry was the president and I met him in person.

Yep, I really, truly think that. I have not been this optimistic about the race the entire time, but at this point the numbers are tough to ignore. Bush was leading by a statistically significant amount at this point in the race in 2000, and the present race is a dead heat (according to the Harris Poll, which was perfectly accurate as to the Bush/Gore race, Kerry leads by 1%).

Traditionally 2/3 of undecided voters this close to the election favor the challenger; I don't think the fact that we are at war (an entirely optional, offensive war, as it happens) will change that TOO much.

This election will, IMO, show the highest percentage of people eligible to vote turning out at the polls of any presidential election in many years. The Democrats have been far more effective in registering voters this year than the Republicans, and this will be the deciding factor. Moreover, the Democrats have an army of volunteer attorneys ready to jump on any polling shenanigans by the Republicans, which may prove very handy indeed.

I'll say it again: I believe Kerry will win. I believe he'll win the popular and electoral votes, and there will be no need for litigation.

Wasn't Bush ahead in the polls at this time 4 years ago? While not the President, Al Gore seems to have fit the incumbent role and Bush the challenger. In this case, the undecidends went for the incumbent.

Silly comparison. Al Gore wasn't President, and while you might think he was close enough, the fact is that when one guy is running to keep his job and the other guy in running to take it, the climate changes. However, in REAL imcumbent situations, the undecides skew towards the challenger. Being VP is not the same thing as being President, it might be "closer", but it's still not looked at the same way.

Edit: To expand on that, you can't blame or praise Gore for that Clinton did or didn't do, everyone knows the VP doesn't have much to do with anything (most of the time).

Fair enough, I suppose. But do you really think that Gore wasn't affected strongly (either positively or negatively), by the performance of the Clinton Administration?

Personally, I find this a bit difficult to believe, as I knew several people who were unsatisfied with Clinton's 2nd term and voted Bush because of it.

 

[Martin]

I choose to remain pessimistic.

 

[tnilC]

I dont know who will win but I am sure of one thing.

American people = OWNED!

 

[imported_Snagle]

I'm with MartyTheManiak, I'm expecting the worst

The fact is, turnout on both sides will be much higher than 2000 because everyone realizes the stakes, or if they dont, they are at least being told that its important

The Democrats have registered a LOT of new voters. Now whether or not these people will be allowed to vote is another thing, the paper that they registered on might be too thin, or their forms might somehow end up in the garbage :|

The GOP has done good registering new voters, but their efforts have been dwarfed in most areas. They may make up for this by just having better turnout though. In 2000, there were tons of evangelical christians who didn't show up at the polls. Many christians were turned off by politics because of the clinton scandal. This year Karl Rove and the gang have been using gay marriage and abortion to rile up the christian base enough to get out and vote, for Bush.

Historically the democrat's voters are less reliable to get to the polls than Republican voters, but this year I would assume everyone will show up evenly.

I don't know whos going to win, all I know is I'm nervous already, on election night I'll be sweating profusely and be glued to the TV :shocked:

 

[Siddhartha]

I accidently voted for GWB. Can I get a recount?