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Poll: Wintel poofters versus Mac zealots

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Killbat

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I've figured out why I haven't had the urge to debate in a Wintel/Mac argument for years! From where I sit, people fighting tooth and nail over their choice of computer system makes no sense any more. Besides the fact that nobody is ever converted by one of these spouts, the Wintel/Mac conflict is like a pimple on the ass of the computer world. My passing thought is that ordinary, everyday people have latched on to some simple concepts about these two types of machine, and they get involved in arguments because they think they know something. In other words, I've seen an awful lot of mediocre computer magazine readers fight over this, but very few IT professionals.

Please vote according to your gut reaction.
 
*shrugs* to me it's like the PC Gaming vs Console Gaming.

I don't care about my platform it's all about the software, and PCs have a better suite of software than Macs, thus I'm a PC guy.

I like Mac hardware just fine. The G4 is a really sweet chip...but without software the platform isn't very useful to me.

I'll admit...I like to play with my PC to, you can't really upgrade and fidget with a mac quite like you can with a PC. But if Macs had the software it would be close.

(Also Macs cost to damn much. I'm anti-intel becuase of their price, but intel looks like a budget CPU compared to mac stuff)

So I don't think there can be a debate among professionals...there are some cases that Mac has some software advantage, but really if you are a professional user, then in most cases you'll really need the PCs flexibility. Plus if a technical user has a mac for specific software performance reasons he'll know why he has it and what it can do, and won't feel the need to defend it, because he'll probably know it's relative strengths and weaknesses anyways.

If you are just doing Word, IE and Email, people will bicker for no good reason, because in that regard there really is no technical advantage of one over the other. You'll just get users that say wow! A g4 costs so much more and is prettier! or PCs are better because Billy said so!

(Edit: Short hand version, I agree with you 😉)
 
MS is aiming to try and convert Macusers with WinXP.. ugh.

I have no opinion on this one, cause both platforms have ups and downs 🙂 Though I am partial to PCs (or IBM/compatible cause Macs are essentially Personal Computers too) because that's all I ever use.. but after a while, I must give up the Mac is suck attitude cause it doesn't help anything in any way shape or form 🙂
 
Apple needs to do something other than putting out opaque, fruity colored devices. Image only goes so far. Even OS X is more image than brawn. Steve Jobs needs to be fired again, he has worn his invitation out. Hire him again in other seven years.
 
Unless you're a heavy gamer, Mac software is OK. For light business and home use, everything you'll need runs on the Mac. SoftWindows can run many Win 9x programs quite well. And with software becoming so Net-centric, many new meta-programs only care about your browser version.

The Macintosh OS is actually quite elegant. It's easier for new users to understand than Windows is, and reasonably stable for consumer use.

The real problem with the Mac is its price. An equivalently priced Wintel computer always, always ends up at least twice as fast and loaded to the teeth with all sorts of cutting edge gadgets. So a sensible consumer shopping by price/performance will automatically be drawn to a generic PC. That's why Apple can't ever get more than 10 or 15% of the market -- the main appeal of their computers is style and cosmetics.

Modus
 
For me it comes down to this:
Circular painful one button mouse
vs. Intellimouse Explorer 5 button mouse

Cannot be anywhere near as fast and productive with the mouse for retards in my hand. If mac-zealots love it because it compliments their lime couch, let them wallow in their stupidity.

I will zip along the net with my forward & back buttons, scroll wheel and leave 'em in the dust.
 
Well said. Apple only targets style-freaks and die-hard loyalists. I must agree thought that Mac (esp. w/ OS X, since there's Unix in there) could really be a nice platform if it weren't so expensive. I mean Apple tries to charge through the nose for systems and doesn't really come out with better hardware fast enough (last few innovations: a mouse with a different kinda of button. ewwww, how quaint. and the cube, which is basically a boxed up G4 notebook w/ no keyboard or LCD. they didn't even make it any faster).
 
Until OSX is out, Mac memory management and multitasking is about where Windows 3.1 was in 1991. Worse, even - it can't allocate RAM dynamically. The GUI isn't anything to write about, either. The equivalent to minimizing windows leaves these freaky looking bars all over the screen.
 
I have used both and I will always use a PC unless there is NO other option and I just need to do something quick and easy. If it requires extensive work the PC is the only way to go for me. DesignDawg's sig accurately describes my experiences with a Mac.

Macintosh - Most Applications Crash If Not The Operating System Hangs.

This describes my experiences to a "T". Also that little hockey puck of a mouse is really only good for a HOCKEY PUCK.
 
dwell- How can you say 'Even OS X is more image than brawn.'? They rewrote so much of the underlying architecture on the OS to incorporate the BSD stuff. It may look similar (maybe a bit prettier), but it sure is a different beast underneath. I just hope that the BSD architecture implementation in OSX is as rock solid as its foundations.
 
I use both, but I hate the "bomb" Mac shows to me several times a day. Unless I have to, I generally avoid using Mac.
 
Besides the fact that nobody is ever converted by one of these spouts,

Of course not. Otherwise Maclots would have ditched their 15 year old Windows 3.11 clone and moved to a real OS years ago.
 
I dont mind Macs, they were great once, they just sorta stopped developing.
Now they have two main problems.

Lack of software.
Very unattractive price, heck I can build 3 1GHz K7 machines for the price of a single 500 MHz G4 Mac.

Back in the 80's though, were Macs ever sweet back then.
 
There are some things to be said for Macs, they have always run SCSI, usually the chips have a higher bit chips, the G4 is a 64 bit chip (why a 500MHz G4 can make many PIII 1.2GHz's a run for their money, and last I checked (about a year ago) they held nearly 10% of the home market for computer purchases. If any single company could claim that much of the market, they should feel proud. But you guys are right, pricing and software are a problem, until that is fixed, they will always be an underdog. BTW the cases the G4's come in are made of the same material flack jackets are made of. I also like the general physical designs of macs, like built in handles for the cases and montors. But, I will always prefer my PC as it was cheaper, I can tinker around in it, and have all the cool games on it..
 


<< If mac-zealots love it because it compliments their lime couch, let them wallow in their stupidity. >>


Oh man, LOL at this one. That made my day.
 


<< dwell- How can you say 'Even OS X is more image than brawn.'? They rewrote so much of the underlying architecture on the OS to incorporate the BSD stuff. >>


True, but do you really think half the Mac user base understands that? All the ones I know are excited about Aqua. &quot;Look, pretty blue scroll bars!!!&quot;
 
UGH!

Lets have a poll to see how many people's opinions on this matter really count.

Of the people who have said or will say &quot;Macs Suck&quot; etc... How many of you have used a Mac as much as you have used an x86 Windows based machine? (you can't say PC because that includes macs) ie: Everything you do on your x86 Windows (or Linux) machine you've done for an equal amount of time and with equal effort on a Mac.

My guess is less then 2%.

Thorin
 
I have a Mac right here next to me at work. I am supposed to do testing on it to make sure my code runs on a Mac as well as it does on a PC. I find it almost impossible to use the one-button-wunder-mouse and the kiddie keyboard. It drives me right up the wall.

To it's credit, I will admit the Mac has really good fonts. The system fonts are nice and sharp. Other than that the OS and hardware, heck the entire platform, blows me big time.

Lucky for me we are phasing out the Mac here and replacing them with PIIIs. All of our Mac users are crying but, oh well, sucks being them.
 
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