The problem is you do not know Kobe, other than his public image. His team mates are even qouted as saying the really dont know Kobe. So how the hell do you know him? It appears no one knows Kobe all that well off the court, other than his wife.
The problem is you do not know Kobe, other than his public image. His team mates are even qouted as saying the really dont know Kobe. So how the hell do you know him? It appears no one knows Kobe all that well off the court, other than his wife.
i honestly feel that the prosecutor will eventually water down the charges so much that kobe may end up pleading guilty to a misdemeanor (sp?). i just cant possibly see how they can get a rape charge knowing who kobe is (rich and famous) and the mental instability of the accuser. yeah yeah kobe used some bad judgement but obviously so did the accuser.
and what are you people talking about when you say 'if the leaks are true then he will go to prison"? what has been leaked that makes it look so obvious that kobe is guilty?
and what are you people talking about when you say 'if the leaks are true then he will go to prison"? what has been leaked that makes it look so obvious that kobe is guilty?
1. Kobe initially LIED to police.
2. There is substaintial pyshical evidence.
3. You mean ALLEGED mental instability of the accuser. Not like its admissible, unless she had an "episode" on that day.
4. Lieing to police makes you less credible than ODing
What has been leaked?
Allegedly she had brusing on her face, neck, possibly arms and back as well. With a witness(bellhop) stating he saw red marks on her face and neck after she left Kobes room, at which point she was crying and in hysterics. Other than that him lying to police doesnt look so good on his part. Nor does the fact she allegedly had to have eight sitches to close internal injuries to her rectum.
One piece of evidence alone doesnt add up to rape, but adding it all together, his dna, internal injuries, external injuries, witnesses, his false statements, etc all paint a pretty clear picture that he did something to her that she did not consent to.
damn your post is pathetic. what lie to the police? what substantial physical evidence? of course the DA is gonna say those things, just as they do in every case. and the mental instability of the accuser isnt alleged, its fact. an officer that responded to a suicide attempt of hers while she was in college talked about it openly to the media and described her as "a threat to herself" in his police report. furthermore from what i have heard it would be highly unlikely that her suicide attempts and such would not be addmited.
?? please provide a link
lol, again i must call for a link
whats funny is every piece of 'evidence' that you state is nothing more than rumors, while the only thing that you state as alleged, is indeed fact
1. Actually the police officer specifically stated she did not attempt suicide. Even defense lawyers say its unlikely the judge will admit this into evidence unless the defense team can prove she was unstable on the day of the alleged rape.
2. Lieing to police? It been all but confirmed that he told police he did not have contact or sex with the women. He did not admit to it until they produced DNA evidence proving his statement false. Oh and his statements were recorded, so its not like you can say its just the DA saying that blah blah blah.
3. Bruises, read the ABC report from yesterday, it lends further credibility to the original report from her friend.
4. Actually its all fact, or the defense wouldnt be trying to get the judge to sanction the DA for leaks.
Im sorry but there IS pyshical evidence, and its enough for a conviction. The defenses only defense is she is lieing, they have nothing to challenge the bruises, internal injuries, etc.
What I find funny is you are defending a guy who you dont know. Who cheated on his wife, and even if rape did not occur beat this girl. You dont get bruises on your face and neck from rough sex, you dont have visable brusing two weeks later. The prosecution does have substaintial amounts of evidence. Its not he said she said, it wont come down to whos more credible, it will come down to the merits of the case, and that will be the evidence collected and witness testimony.
Lets not forget Mike Tyson was convicted without out evidence, or witness testimony. It was he said, she said. Id much rather this case be judged on the facts, the evidence and witness testimony, than on his word vs her word. At this point, his word really wont come into play as its now unlikely he will take the stand, as doing so would damage his defense.
Zebo
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Ya but his commercial advertising ability (short of Colt 45) is shot for life. No company would risk aleinating part of thier audiance for Kobe after this guilty or not guilty. It's a shame IMO the accused is veiwed as "he musta done something or the state would'nt have charged him" instead of innocent until poven guilty but thats not the way it is. Makes sense in a way but on the other hand with a he said she said case the media can ruin a man.
And even then it's only the effeminate small ones. Civil court he will be though...Like I said in the freakin 2nd sentence of my post, I do not know Kobe personally and my image of him was based on what I knew of his character displayed on and off the court, and for that I gave him the benefit of the doubt without knowing or caring who the alleged victim was. Like it said in my morning paper today, Mark Cuban referred to Kobe's case as good for the NBA cuz people need things like this, example: mike tyson. The problem is, Kobe is not Mike Tyson, in the public eye he was a good person, and as of now he is innocent until proven guilty. So yes, I already said I don't know Kobe, but like you said, no one, even his teammates, really know Kobe, and thus everyone's opinion of this case is whatever they make of it. You may judge the character of celebrities differently then I do, and that's fine.
Well in this case its none of the above. There is actual evidence of an assualt or some form. This case will be tried on the merits of the case, and that is the evidence collected, which appears to be plenty, and the witness testimony. This has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with a girl that had signs of rape(internal and external trauma).
masterxfob
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i think the general public is tired of seeing pro atheletes getting off easy, so i'm thinking he may very well serve time.
Zebo
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You must be a "inexperianced" re: women. You've never had an three nut all nighter and woman experiances "trauma"? Even I've experianced skin trauma...can barley urinate, stomach muscles are bruised, skin heavily traumatized etc... Well they sure do like it in the moment.
So your saying that you've caused a girl to have bruises on her face and neck? Possibly arms, and back as well? That were still visable two weeks after the fact? All from having consensual sex?
I think not.
Also said internal tramua, is major, not minor, we are talking possiblity of stiches.
She was in the room for less than 20 minutes and he allegedly tried to keep her from leaving the room. Ive always said wait till trial, but if these leaks are for real, it doesnt look good for Kobe. However the bruises have been mentioned by more than three sources(ie: three different sources for three different stories), it sounds like its legit, plus there is a witness to the injuries being on her right after leaving Kobes room.
I OWN To Kill A Mockingbird. I have seen it about 15 times. I fail to see the similarities between that movie and this case. Kobe Bryant doensn't have this problem because he is black. He has this problem because he made a stupid decision. Regardless of what he did, he put himself in a bad situation and now he is paying the price.
If you actually READ what I wrote, you would understand what I said. I am still on the fence. I don't know what he did or didn't do.
All I am saying is that the PA would not press charges against someone of such notoriety if he didn't think he had, in his mind, a solid case. You are talking about someone who, up until these charges, had a spectacular public image. I don't think the Eagle County PA is out to take that away from him.
Nitemare
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Kind of like OJ. My knock on the civil courts is that they have a looser standard in determining guilt and to me it is a blatant violation of double jeopardy. You have been pronounced innocent, yet then you have to go to another trial where you are guilty until proven innocent and usually get the smack down handed to you even if you were acquitted in a criminal court.
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