Poll: Will Bush or Gore come out on top?
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Gore will weasel his way into the white house. I'm doubtful that he will give up, I bet he'll have it in courts for months.
Btw I voted for Bush.
Btw I voted for Bush.
After President-Elect Bush is in office for a while, this will all be forgotten. He will become a very popular President. Unlike Bore, he's a nice, decent human being.
Russ, NCNE
Russ, NCNE
Either way, half the people will question the legitimacy of the president.
This is the worst thing that could have happenned.
Worse even then Bush winning.
This is the worst thing that could have happenned.
Worse even then Bush winning.
you know what .. its actually 1 out of 4 people want him for president (only half of the people in the US voted).. and you know what ... gore has about the same odds .. so either way ..3/4 oth the people are gonna bitch ... but they will just have to deal with it...
Russ, you seem pretty confident considering that Bush is only ahead by ~300 votes in FLA and that thousands of Floridians are pissed about the election because they felt that they got cheated out of a vote for Gore.
zippy,
You're using AP's "estimates". Beyond the fact that the number is meaningless, even if it is correct, Bore still lost.
Where were those poor little pissed voters in 1996 when 15,000 ballots were thrown out for the same reason, in the same county?
It's over, you should welcome President-Elect Bush.
Russ, NCNE
You're using AP's "estimates". Beyond the fact that the number is meaningless, even if it is correct, Bore still lost.
Where were those poor little pissed voters in 1996 when 15,000 ballots were thrown out for the same reason, in the same county?
It's over, you should welcome President-Elect Bush.
Russ, NCNE
It will probably be Bush.
Mainly because one of these guys will have to let it go, and Bush has made too many financial commitments to his donors to bail out now.
Mainly because one of these guys will have to let it go, and Bush has made too many financial commitments to his donors to bail out now.
I dont know who will win eventually, but I can tell that you America has lost already.
Never again will elections be the same. The cynicism of the people will only grow when they see the ballot returns. It will become a joke used every election "Is that after 1st recount or 3rd?" , "has anybody sued yet?". We will need to have presidential elections every 2 years just so the courts can decide who wins in time be president. The same all the way down to school board.
Until now there has been an "honor" system among candidates. The vote was the vote, and only the most aggregious violations were ever looked into, never more, says Gore.
Right now people are looking at each ballot by hand in some (3 or 4, I didnt hear if they had decided to hand count the 4th county yet) counties in Florida. Their intent is to "determine" who the voter wanted to vote for if the ballot is not legally completed. Spin that any way you want, that is cheating, no matter who does it.
Count the ballots, that's fine, judging who an improperly filled ballot is for, that's wrong.
Also the more you count and handle the ballots, the more chance for simple screw ups and fraud, that's why we went to machines.
FWIW, I say whoever wins the recount, is the president. I actually expect Bush to concede if this "hand count" shows Gore the winner (plus overseas boallots). Why? Because there is still some "honor" out there. The only way I dont see Bush conceding is if one of the other big states becomes in doubt, such as Wis or Iowa or both, before the total in Florida is known.
Never again will elections be the same. The cynicism of the people will only grow when they see the ballot returns. It will become a joke used every election "Is that after 1st recount or 3rd?" , "has anybody sued yet?". We will need to have presidential elections every 2 years just so the courts can decide who wins in time be president. The same all the way down to school board.
Until now there has been an "honor" system among candidates. The vote was the vote, and only the most aggregious violations were ever looked into, never more, says Gore.
Right now people are looking at each ballot by hand in some (3 or 4, I didnt hear if they had decided to hand count the 4th county yet) counties in Florida. Their intent is to "determine" who the voter wanted to vote for if the ballot is not legally completed. Spin that any way you want, that is cheating, no matter who does it.
Count the ballots, that's fine, judging who an improperly filled ballot is for, that's wrong.
Also the more you count and handle the ballots, the more chance for simple screw ups and fraud, that's why we went to machines.
FWIW, I say whoever wins the recount, is the president. I actually expect Bush to concede if this "hand count" shows Gore the winner (plus overseas boallots). Why? Because there is still some "honor" out there. The only way I dont see Bush conceding is if one of the other big states becomes in doubt, such as Wis or Iowa or both, before the total in Florida is known.
MrChicken,
You underestimate america's apathy, the media's ability to suppress truth, and the two-party's strangehold on politics in this country. This may all be forgotten in less than a year. It probably will simply become a joke but third-parties would do well to use this mess as ammunition in future debates.
You underestimate america's apathy, the media's ability to suppress truth, and the two-party's strangehold on politics in this country. This may all be forgotten in less than a year. It probably will simply become a joke but third-parties would do well to use this mess as ammunition in future debates.
Too many of what? Too many presidential threads? Sorry, some of us consider who will be the next leader of the most powerful nation on earth more important than whatever the latest Pokecrap doll is or how much you overpaid for a overhyped game system.
I'm just interested in international opinions about this ordeal. I mean here we are pretty much the most powerful nation in the world, and we can't figure out who's the president. Makes me wonder what other nations think about this.
Jelly:
I dont think I underestimate americas apathy, and neither do I underestimate the love of lawsuits. Precedence is what it's all about, once the first suit is filed and ruled upon, the flood will begin and never stop.
Surely as you say a third party candidate will use this as a stake to heart of the Dems and Reps, in evey election after this one.
We will never forget the election that came down to most feeble minded seniors in the country, the year the dead guy became a senator and the election that despite computers and 200+ years of elections, we still couldnt get it right. The year we showed the world the we know dog-do about about how to run elections, after preaching to the rest of the world they dont know how.
The election that will go down in history as the one that the cheaters (or lawyers)won, no matter who wins. Or the election CNN won for the democrats by calling Florida for Gore before 2/3 of the country had yet to close the polls.
It's amazing, forget campaign finance reform, election reform should be the first thing we do. Every single freaking vote should be done on a computer. Every ballot styled the same way. What in the hell does campaign finance reform acomplish if voters cant even vote correctly? We should muzzle the press until the LAST state closes it's polls. The election in theory is fair, in practice it is not, it needs to be corrected.
I dont think I underestimate americas apathy, and neither do I underestimate the love of lawsuits. Precedence is what it's all about, once the first suit is filed and ruled upon, the flood will begin and never stop.
Surely as you say a third party candidate will use this as a stake to heart of the Dems and Reps, in evey election after this one.
We will never forget the election that came down to most feeble minded seniors in the country, the year the dead guy became a senator and the election that despite computers and 200+ years of elections, we still couldnt get it right. The year we showed the world the we know dog-do about about how to run elections, after preaching to the rest of the world they dont know how.
The election that will go down in history as the one that the cheaters (or lawyers)won, no matter who wins. Or the election CNN won for the democrats by calling Florida for Gore before 2/3 of the country had yet to close the polls.
It's amazing, forget campaign finance reform, election reform should be the first thing we do. Every single freaking vote should be done on a computer. Every ballot styled the same way. What in the hell does campaign finance reform acomplish if voters cant even vote correctly? We should muzzle the press until the LAST state closes it's polls. The election in theory is fair, in practice it is not, it needs to be corrected.
<< Will Bush or Gore come out on top? >>
neither will.
Bush already won, but that wasn't your question.
I still don't get it.
The seniors that are complaining about the "confusing" ballot are the same ones that can play 10 bingo cards, discuss their gall bladder operation and their husbands prostrate, complain that their kids don't call and wonder who Clinton is boinking this week all at the same time. Yet they can't follow a simple arrorw to a punch hole.
The seniors that are complaining about the "confusing" ballot are the same ones that can play 10 bingo cards, discuss their gall bladder operation and their husbands prostrate, complain that their kids don't call and wonder who Clinton is boinking this week all at the same time. Yet they can't follow a simple arrorw to a punch hole.
Who care what Democrat supporters think. Bush's the president and he's here for 8 more years so Democrat just be quiet and obey the leader.
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