Poll: Widescreen or Fullscreen (Pan&Scan)

[Joyride]

A little piece of me dies inside when someone asks for "Full Screen" when they ask me for a DVD

Another piece of me wants to scream at them "ARE YOU A FVCKING IDIOT" and kick their ass, neither has happened yet.....

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: amnesiac
How come in every poll some retards vote for the obviously wrong / stupid choice but don't have the balls to own up and defend themselves?

ALL OF YOU WHO VOTED FULLSCREEN ARE STUPID AND YOU SUCK AND YOU SMELL BAD. I HATE YOU AND HOPE YOUR DVDS ALL BREAK. JACKASSES.

What's with all the animosity???

Just don't buy FS DVDs. How hard is that? There are extremely few DVDs that are not available in widescreen... and most of those were originally that aspect ratio to begin with. My peeve is how many are sh!tty transfers, or non-anamorphic. Now THAT is something to harbor anamosity over IMHO.

Well...it's the joe-sixpack mindset of "I don't want them thar damn black bars blocking my movie" that has made most of the Blockbusters around me stock Fullscreen-only copies of several new releases.

The whole selling point to DVD was that it was OAR!! Then the dumbing-down started.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Idiot Question - Anamorphic DVD's are the ones that stretch out to fill the whole screen in a 16:9 TV right? Non-anamorphic will still have bars on the top and bottom of a 16:9?

Correct. Non-anamorphic means it will show up as 4:3 letter boxed on a 16:9 TV. Thus you need to do a "4:3 zoom" to see it properly, resulting in a far lower resolution picture.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: amnesiac
How come in every poll some retards vote for the obviously wrong / stupid choice but don't have the balls to own up and defend themselves?

ALL OF YOU WHO VOTED FULLSCREEN ARE STUPID AND YOU SUCK AND YOU SMELL BAD. I HATE YOU AND HOPE YOUR DVDS ALL BREAK. JACKASSES.

What's with all the animosity???

Just don't buy FS DVDs. How hard is that? There are extremely few DVDs that are not available in widescreen... and most of those were originally that aspect ratio to begin with. My peeve is how many are sh!tty transfers, or non-anamorphic. Now THAT is something to harbor anamosity over IMHO.

Well...it's the joe-sixpack mindset of "I don't want them thar damn black bars blocking my movie" that has made most of the Blockbusters around me stock Fullscreen-only copies of several new releases.

The whole selling point to DVD was that it was OAR!! Then the dumbing-down started.

Actually, BB has quit that policy recently and vowed to carry WS versions of all movies if availble.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Idiot Question - Anamorphic DVD's are the ones that stretch out to fill the whole screen in a 16:9 TV right? Non-anamorphic will still have bars on the top and bottom of a 16:9?

Correct. Non-anamorphic means it will show up as 4:3 letter boxed on a 16:9 TV. Thus you need to do a "4:3 zoom" to see it properly, resulting in a far lower resolution picture.

Uh...not quite.

non-anamorphic may show as window-boxed but many do show as 16:9...just don't look as good.

 

[Jeff7181]

Geeze... some really strong opinons on what other people buy. I'm tempted to go buy a PowerMac G5 just to see these people sh!t a brick.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Idiot Question - Anamorphic DVD's are the ones that stretch out to fill the whole screen in a 16:9 TV right? Non-anamorphic will still have bars on the top and bottom of a 16:9?

Correct. Non-anamorphic means it will show up as 4:3 letter boxed on a 16:9 TV. Thus you need to do a "4:3 zoom" to see it properly, resulting in a far lower resolution picture.

Uh...not quite.

non-anamorphic may show as window-boxed but many do show as 16:9...just don't look as good.

Um, what???

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/anamorphic185demo.html

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/anamorphic235demo.html

Note the bottom picture comparison on both pages.

Non anamorphic video will NOT display properly on a 16:9 TV in 16:9 mode. To have the proper proportions you have to switch to 4:3 mode, or everything will look stretched.

Now, one can use the "4:3 zoom" mode found on most 16:9 TVs to get rid of the boxes on the sides, but that signifigantly lowers the resolution of the picture.

Anamorphic simply means they squeeze the picture horizontaly, so that when stretched on a 16:9 TV, it appears normal. Try setting a DVD player to "16:9" and watching an anamorphic DVD on a 4:3 TV. The picture will be squeezed. Conversely, watch a non-anamorphic DVD on a 16:9 TV and the picture will be stretched.

 

[SWScorch]

some people need to find something better to get pissed off at, like their lack of a girlfriend or something.

 

[Electric Amish]

Um, what???

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/anamorphic185demo.html

Note the bottom picture comparison

Non anamorphic video will NOT display properly on a 16:9 TV in 16:9 mode. To have the proper propertions you have to switch to 4:3 mode, or everything will look stretched.

Now, one can use the "4:3 zoom" mode found on most 16:9 TVs to get rid of the boxes on the sides, but that signifigantly lowers the resolution of the picture.

Anamorphic simply means they squeeze the picture horizontaly, so that when stretched on a 16:9 TV, it appears normal. Try setting a DVD player to "16:9" and watching an anamorphic DVD on a 4:3 TV. The picture will be squeezed. Conversely, watch a non-anamorphic DVD on a 16:9 TV and the picture will be stretched.

Ow! My head hurts...

 

[Rob9874]

Fullscreen, of course. What does adding black bars at the top and bottom of the screen add?

Kidding! I hate when people use that argument! Death to pan & scan.

 

[austin316]

Pan & Scan // Fullscreen. I hate those stupid black bars. On my nice 36" TV, when I get a widescreen dvd, I lose half the picture, its like I got a stupid 18" screen. Also, I just stepped up to composite cables and whoa is the picture sharper. Death to the RF switch.

 

[filmmaker]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
I searched and didn't find a poll, to my suprise.

So which do you like?

Other than being used for sitcoms, fullscreen sucks balls.

 

[FeathersMcGraw]

Originally posted by: austin316
Pan & Scan // Fullscreen. I hate those stupid black bars. On my nice 36" TV, when I get a widescreen dvd, I lose half the picture, its like I got a stupid 18" screen.

Actually, by using fullscreen, you're losing half the picture.

Also, I just stepped up to composite cables and whoa is the picture sharper. Death to the RF switch.

You know your home theatre is in trouble when you upgrade to composite.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: filmmaker

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
I searched and didn't find a poll, to my suprise.

So which do you like?

Other than being used for sitcoms, fullscreen sucks balls.

What about movies originally shot in 4:3/acadamy ratio? What about Kubrick, who intended for his movies to be seen in 4:3?

Fullscreen is better than pan and scan, because it means the movie was more than likely shot in "open matte" and you see even more of the movie in 4:3 than you would in widescreen.

(Open matte: a movie is shot in 4:3, and the top and bottom are cut off to make the movie a widescreen aspect ratio.)

(Pan and scan: a movie is shot in wide screen, and transfered to video by chopping off the sides, and panning is used to include the most important part of the video)

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw

Originally posted by: austin316
Pan & Scan // Fullscreen. I hate those stupid black bars. On my nice 36" TV, when I get a widescreen dvd, I lose half the picture, its like I got a stupid 18" screen.

Actually, by using fullscreen, you're losing half the picture.

Also, I just stepped up to composite cables and whoa is the picture sharper. Death to the RF switch.

You know your home theatre is in trouble when you upgrade to composite.

I was going to step up and pimpslap austin316 here, but I figured he was just being sarcastic. Now I'm not so sure. He doesn't seem to have shown up to correct you and say "h4w h4w I was j0kin" yet ...

Home theatre on coax? Why don't you just wrap eight layers of Saran around the TV?

It was supposed to be that Billy-Jim-Joe-Bob would continue buying his Vid-Yuh tapes in 4:3 and the true enthusiasts would get the DVD. Unfortunately, like mentioned above, "I done want one of them thar Dee-Vee-Dees, but them black bars makes mah 19" SomySonic look smaller than thuh prairie dawg I et fer dinnur!"



- M4H

 

[MikeO]

Originally posted by: austin316
Pan & Scan // Fullscreen. I hate those stupid black bars. On my nice 36" TV, when I get a widescreen dvd, I lose half the picture, its like I got a stupid 18" screen. Also, I just stepped up to composite cables and whoa is the picture sharper. Death to the RF switch.

You're kidding, right? At least I fvcking hope so.

 

[austin316]

Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw

Originally posted by: austin316
Pan & Scan // Fullscreen. I hate those stupid black bars. On my nice 36" TV, when I get a widescreen dvd, I lose half the picture, its like I got a stupid 18" screen.

Actually, by using fullscreen, you're losing half the picture.

Also, I just stepped up to composite cables and whoa is the picture sharper. Death to the RF switch.

You know your home theatre is in trouble when you upgrade to composite.

sarcasm. S-video and widescreen only.

 

[FeathersMcGraw]

Originally posted by: austin316

sarcasm. S-video and widescreen only.

"Dude, are you being sarcastic?"
"I don't even know any more."

Glad you came to your senses.

 

[Rufio]

Originally posted by: SWScorch
some people need to find something better to get pissed off at, like their lack of a girlfriend or something.

or boyfriend! :Q

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Idiot Question - Anamorphic DVD's are the ones that stretch out to fill the whole screen in a 16:9 TV right? Non-anamorphic will still have bars on the top and bottom of a 16:9?

Correct. Non-anamorphic means it will show up as 4:3 letter boxed on a 16:9 TV. Thus you need to do a "4:3 zoom" to see it properly, resulting in a far lower resolution picture.

Uh...not quite.

non-anamorphic may show as window-boxed but many do show as 16:9...just don't look as good.

Um, what???

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/anamorphic185demo.html

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/anamorphic235demo.html

Note the bottom picture comparison on both pages.

Non anamorphic video will NOT display properly on a 16:9 TV in 16:9 mode. To have the proper proportions you have to switch to 4:3 mode, or everything will look stretched.

Now, one can use the "4:3 zoom" mode found on most 16:9 TVs to get rid of the boxes on the sides, but that signifigantly lowers the resolution of the picture.

Anamorphic simply means they squeeze the picture horizontaly, so that when stretched on a 16:9 TV, it appears normal. Try setting a DVD player to "16:9" and watching an anamorphic DVD on a 4:3 TV. The picture will be squeezed. Conversely, watch a non-anamorphic DVD on a 16:9 TV and the picture will be stretched.

Ok...well...there you have the window-boxed like I mentioned. I'll have to find some of the non-anamorphic DVDs in my collection and take some pics

 

[Viper GTS]

You guys are seriously over complicating the purpose of anamorphic video.

Unlike other video formats (divx, for example) which allows for user specified image dimensions, DVD is a fixed 4:3 ratio with pixel dimensions of 720x480 (regular TV pixels aren't square).

"Anamorphic" means that a 16:9 frame (or other "wide screen" ratio) is stretched vertically (not horizontally as previously stated) to 16:12 (thus becoming 4:3). This makes use of the entire 4:3 video space on a DVD, giving 33% greater vertical resolution than encoding it with black bars. To display it properly, something has to squeeze it back to it's original ratio. Most people will use their DVD players to do this, people with TV's capable of anamorphic squeeze (ie my Wega) compress the scan range vertically to use the entire vertical scan range to draw the image rather than wasting scan lines on the black boxes.

That's all it is, putting more 16:9 picture information into the 4:3 shaped box that is DVD.

Viper GTS

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
pan scan is garbage, it should be illegal and all the people who like it should be arrested.

 

[Rob9874]

I also think movie theater screens should be square. I hate that black space between the top of the screen and the ceiling, and the bottom of the screen and the floor.

Tell that to pan & scan fans.

 

[pyonir]

I refuse to buy fullscreen (unless of course it is an older movie that is not released in anything but fullscreen e.g. Full Metal Jacket)

 

[KokomoGST]

Personally, I don't like it when peoples faces are cut in half and such. But seems lots of people are stupid and prefer Poop&Scoop because they want to fill the whole screen and widescreen is "too small."

I also get a lot of "I'm not seeing everything" answer too... despite the fact that it's pretty common to have peoples faces cutoff in P&S. People are dumbasses.