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JulesMaximus
No Lifer
Mine too.
There is a woman on our street who is Jehovah's Witness. She gets offended whenever we invite her over for a Birthday or wish her a happy holiday. :roll:
At least she doesn't try to convert us. :thumbsup:
Did you even read the post Kranky made where he quoted the actual declaration of the national holiday? That is officially what the holiday stands for and it says nothing about wiping out the Indians. You got pwned on that post but have simply chosen to ignore it. You, and rh71, then ignored his second post where he reiterated his point.
The idea behind thanksgiving is an excelent one and how it is celebrated for the most part is something you should not quit doing. But history should not be forgotten and it always upsets me when I see family movies made in the US that revolve around thanksgiving. In so many cases one kid in the story takes part in the usual play that to me seems to take place in every school in the US. That play is always about the same, oh no the pilgrims are hungry and here come the indians with corn and turkey and then everyone is happy. That is only a tiny fraction of the actual history which tends to be dismissed.
When celebrating thanksgiving think of now, it doesnt matter why its being held just that people are coming to gether to have a good quality time. When you do want to think about why then think about the whole story and not just a part of it.
When celebrating thanksgiving think of now, it doesnt matter why its being held just that people are coming to gether to have a good quality time. When you do want to think about why then think about the whole story and not just a part of it.
What is most bothersome is the implied moral conviction.
To imply that one is right and that we should just move on without giving evidence smacks of revisionism.
You can't edit history. What was, was, and deserves to be remembered and preserved.
I don't argue for the abolition of Thanksgiving, Lincoln demonstrated how it can be a positive festival. If there is a group that has legitimate concerns however they deserve to be addressed. A single person's perspective on what is legitimate is likely wrong.
GTaudiophile
Lifer
Proclamation Establishing Thanksgiving Day
October 3, 1863
The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God. In the midst of a civil war of unequalled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle, or the ship; the axe had enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consciousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years, with large increase of freedom.
No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy.
It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and voice by the whole American people. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to his tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.
Done at the city of Washington, this third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the independence of the United States the eighty-eighth.
A. Lincoln
October 3, 1863
The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God. In the midst of a civil war of unequalled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle, or the ship; the axe had enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consciousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years, with large increase of freedom.
No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy.
It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and voice by the whole American people. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to his tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.
Done at the city of Washington, this third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the independence of the United States the eighty-eighth.
A. Lincoln
Why is it trolling if I decide to post about something that many people are'nt aware of?
It's funny how you're considered a troll if you don't choose to agree with popular opinion. The minute a person steps away from the pack and decides to go against the grain they are a troll. No where in this thread have I attacked, belittled, teased or put down another poster but I'm trolling. :roll:
GTaudiophile
Lifer
As you can see from my post above, Thanksgiving has nothing to do with Indians or turkeys or pilgrims. The cr@p you were taught in public screwl was just a lie conjured up by liberals who don't want to teach REAL history.
no, you're trolling because you're posting more MADE UP REASONS. you claim lincoln's view doesnt change the history, but then you try to link thanksgiving to something it doesn't and never had anything to do with. again, thanksgiving is another in a millenias old line of harvest festivals. while you attack lincoln's reasons you're damning yourself.
GTaudiophile
Lifer
Yes. That is how/why the Thanksgiving holiday was created. Pretty simple!
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