no, not obviously, at least not for the reasons cited.osama influenced none of the above to occur. he did bring fox news and their ilk to highlight on their nightly broadcasts our links tovarious regimes but we have been questioning our support, our economic reliance, and our geopolitical policies in the region for years, if not decades. its old hat.
everyone who counts knows the effect of the general policies and positions taken in a slow moving place like the ME. But the status quo was easier, and the alternative wasnt viable. Bin Laden has given the window, and its being taken, the key thing will be who will win, Islamists or Secular modernisers, my guess is democratic ploarisation which would require real terms weath growth among the poor to resolve. the point is without him, nothing would be happening now, one of us is missing the point.the concern about our over-dependence on opec's good graces is at least 3 decades old. bush's promise is a promise made by another western leader about the good life just around that next corner, something the arab world has been intimately familiar with for decades.
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bush's declaration was a political fait accompli. the consensus there would be a palestinian state existed everywhere but withinthe halls of the current executive branch, it seems, and it finally dawned on bush to make the obvious known to the world. thanks dubya.
you could argue that a settlement of sorts has been brewing or inevitable since the intifada, where the palesinians penalised the israeli middle class, a bit like vietnam did, without tanglible benefits for them.
the key question is what settlement, you can corrupt and pressurise a puppet to bend over, but without Osama, and americas new concern for the impact of Is/ Pal relations on other interests there would have been no pressureon israel to provide more than a defensible offer, which would basically have robbed the palesinians, in my iew of what they would have likely been offered, and of course in the view of the palestinians and arabs themselves. bin laden combined with the unacceptable level of intifada violence will make bush ensure a fairer deal is done than just an intifada would have achieved
also you didnt suggest an alternative, and since this is a relative poll, who is this great leader you think of?
everyone who counts knows the effect of the general policies and positions taken in a slow moving place like the ME. But the status quo was easier, and the alternative wasnt viable. Bin Laden has given the window, and its being taken, the key thing will be who will win, Islamists or Secular modernisers, my guess is democratic ploarisation which would require real terms weath growth among the poor to resolve. the point is without him, nothing would be happening now, one of us is missing the point.the concern about our over-dependence on opec's good graces is at least 3 decades old. bush's promise is a promise made by another western leader about the good life just around that next corner, something the arab world has been intimately familiar with for decades.
?
bush's declaration was a political fait accompli. the consensus there would be a palestinian state existed everywhere but withinthe halls of the current executive branch, it seems, and it finally dawned on bush to make the obvious known to the world. thanks dubya.
you could argue that a settlement of sorts has been brewing or inevitable since the intifada, where the palesinians penalised the israeli middle class, a bit like vietnam did, without tanglible benefits for them.
the key question is what settlement, you can corrupt and pressurise a puppet to bend over, but without Osama, and americas new concern for the impact of Is/ Pal relations on other interests there would have been no pressureon israel to provide more than a defensible offer, which would basically have robbed the palesinians, in my iew of what they would have likely been offered, and of course in the view of the palestinians and arabs themselves. bin laden combined with the unacceptable level of intifada violence will make bush ensure a fairer deal is done than just an intifada would have achieved
also you didnt suggest an alternative, and since this is a relative poll, who is this great leader you think of?
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