POLL: Who is the greatest athlete to NOT win the big game?

[PlatinumGold]

Marino.

the problem with comparing football to baseball tho, is that the QB has soo much more impact on games than any single hitter. starting pitchers are comparabel to QB's except they only play one game in four or five.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: WHipLAsh13

Originally posted by: Rastus
Ten years ago this thread would have had OJ Simpson within the top five posts.

Had he not killed his ex-wife and her boyfriend people may actually be able to remember he was one of the greatest running backs of all time.

Kato did it! I figured it out last night while watching parts of that interview!

 

[SP33Demon]

As a baseball buff, it's The Splendid Splinter Ted Williams EASY. He is one of the undisputed top 3 greatest baseball players of all time: Ruth, Mays, and Williams.

When Bonds bats higher than .406 in a season, finishes with a career batting average higher than .344 for 7th all time(Bonds at a wimpy .297), wins TWO Triple Crowns (lead in HR/RBI/BatAvg), wins 6 batting titles (Bonds 1), leads the league in SLG% 9 times and finishes 2nd all time only to the Babe, is first all time in On base % at .482, leads his league 10 times in OPS (Bonds 8), leads the league 6 times in total bases (Bonds did it once), leads the league in RBI's 4 times (Bonds did it once), leads the league in homeruns 4 times (Bonds did it twice), leads the league 5 times in extra base hits (Bonds 3), and is found innocent in federal court for not taking THG during his 73HR season, then I will vote for him.

Also it should be noted that Bonds has played 3 more full seasons than Williams already, yet Teddy Ballgame smacks him down in every offensive category except total walks and homeruns. It should also be noted that Williams also missed 5 full seasons in the prime of his career to serve in WWII and Korean War as a pilot.

Is Dan Marino one of the top 3 greatest QB's to ever play the game? If not, then you should be voting for Ted Williams hands down. What has Marino done in one season alone that will stand the test of time? I'm willing to bet that we will not see anyone bat higher than .406 in our lifetimes, even in this era of steroid pumping mashers...

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
As a baseball buff, it's The Splendid Splinter Ted Williams EASY. He is one of the undisputed top 3 greatest baseball players of all time: Ruth, Mays, and Williams.

When Bonds bats higher than .406 in a season, finishes with a career batting average higher than .344 for 7th all time(Bonds at a wimpy .297), wins TWO Triple Crowns (lead in HR/RBI/BatAvg), wins 6 batting titles (Bonds 1), leads the league in SLG% 9 times and finishes 2nd all time only to the Babe, is first all time in On base % at .482, leads his league 10 times in OPS (Bonds 8), leads the league 6 times in total bases (Bonds did it once), leads the league in RBI's 4 times (Bonds did it once), leads the league in homeruns 4 times (Bonds did it twice), leads the league 5 times in extra base hits (Bonds 3), and is found innocent in federal court for not taking THG during his 73HR season, then I will vote for him.

Also it should be noted that Bonds has played 3 more full seasons than Williams already, yet Teddy Ballgame smacks him down in every offensive category except total walks and homeruns. It should also be noted that Williams also missed 5 full seasons in the prime of his career to serve in WWII and Korean War as a pilot.

Is Dan Marino one of the top 3 greatest QB's to ever play the game? If not, then you should be voting for Ted Williams hands down. What has Marino done in one season alone that will stand the test of time? I'm willing to bet that we will not see anyone bat higher than .406 in our lifetimes, even in this era of steroid pumping mashers...

OMG, I agree with you. Also take into consideration that Williams faced much tougher pitching than Bonds did/does.

 

[WHipLAsh13]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
As a baseball buff, it's The Splendid Splinter Ted Williams EASY. He is one of the undisputed top 3 greatest baseball players of all time: Ruth, Mays, and Williams.

When Bonds bats higher than .406 in a season, finishes with a career batting average higher than .344 for 7th all time(Bonds at a wimpy .297), wins TWO Triple Crowns (lead in HR/RBI/BatAvg), wins 6 batting titles (Bonds 1), leads the league in SLG% 9 times and finishes 2nd all time only to the Babe, is first all time in On base % at .482, leads his league 10 times in OPS (Bonds 8), leads the league 6 times in total bases (Bonds did it once), leads the league in RBI's 4 times (Bonds did it once), leads the league in homeruns 4 times (Bonds did it twice), leads the league 5 times in extra base hits (Bonds 3), and is found innocent in federal court for not taking THG during his 73HR season, then I will vote for him.

Also it should be noted that Bonds has played 3 more full seasons than Williams already, yet Teddy Ballgame smacks him down in every offensive category except total walks and homeruns. It should also be noted that Williams also missed 5 full seasons in the prime of his career to serve in WWII and Korean War as a pilot.

Is Dan Marino one of the top 3 greatest QB's to ever play the game? If not, then you should be voting for Ted Williams hands down. What has Marino done in one season alone that will stand the test of time? I'm willing to bet that we will not see anyone bat higher than .406 in our lifetimes, even in this era of steroid pumping mashers...

Marino threw for 5,084 yards and 48 TD's in one year. Totals that have never and may never be topped. And he is definately one of the 3 Greatest QB's to ever play the game. Hell alot of people think he IS THE greatest QB of all time. Not to mention holding the career records for TD's, Yards, Completions. here is a website that shows all of his statistical acheivements. I bet my life though he would trade in all of those records for a SuperBowl ring.

I agree with the Williams over Bonds thing. I can't believe so many people have voted for Bonds but I guess that has something to do with the age of the voters in here. Alot of them were't around to know much about Williams.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: WHipLAsh13

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
As a baseball buff, it's The Splendid Splinter Ted Williams EASY. He is one of the undisputed top 3 greatest baseball players of all time: Ruth, Mays, and Williams.

When Bonds bats higher than .406 in a season, finishes with a career batting average higher than .344 for 7th all time(Bonds at a wimpy .297), wins TWO Triple Crowns (lead in HR/RBI/BatAvg), wins 6 batting titles (Bonds 1), leads the league in SLG% 9 times and finishes 2nd all time only to the Babe, is first all time in On base % at .482, leads his league 10 times in OPS (Bonds 8), leads the league 6 times in total bases (Bonds did it once), leads the league in RBI's 4 times (Bonds did it once), leads the league in homeruns 4 times (Bonds did it twice), leads the league 5 times in extra base hits (Bonds 3), and is found innocent in federal court for not taking THG during his 73HR season, then I will vote for him.

Also it should be noted that Bonds has played 3 more full seasons than Williams already, yet Teddy Ballgame smacks him down in every offensive category except total walks and homeruns. It should also be noted that Williams also missed 5 full seasons in the prime of his career to serve in WWII and Korean War as a pilot.

Is Dan Marino one of the top 3 greatest QB's to ever play the game? If not, then you should be voting for Ted Williams hands down. What has Marino done in one season alone that will stand the test of time? I'm willing to bet that we will not see anyone bat higher than .406 in our lifetimes, even in this era of steroid pumping mashers...

Marino threw for 5,000 yards and 48 TD's in one year. Totals that have never and may never be topped. And he is definately one of the 3 Greatest QB's to ever play the game. Hell alot of people think he IS THE greatest QB of all time. Not to mention holding the career records for TD's, Yards, Completions. here is a website that shows all of his statistical acheivements. I bet my life though he would trade in all of those records for a SuperBowl ring.

Marino had his chance to win a Superbowl and he was measured and showed to be wanting!

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: WHipLAsh13

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
As a baseball buff, it's The Splendid Splinter Ted Williams EASY. He is one of the undisputed top 3 greatest baseball players of all time: Ruth, Mays, and Williams.

When Bonds bats higher than .406 in a season, finishes with a career batting average higher than .344 for 7th all time(Bonds at a wimpy .297), wins TWO Triple Crowns (lead in HR/RBI/BatAvg), wins 6 batting titles (Bonds 1), leads the league in SLG% 9 times and finishes 2nd all time only to the Babe, is first all time in On base % at .482, leads his league 10 times in OPS (Bonds 8), leads the league 6 times in total bases (Bonds did it once), leads the league in RBI's 4 times (Bonds did it once), leads the league in homeruns 4 times (Bonds did it twice), leads the league 5 times in extra base hits (Bonds 3), and is found innocent in federal court for not taking THG during his 73HR season, then I will vote for him.

Also it should be noted that Bonds has played 3 more full seasons than Williams already, yet Teddy Ballgame smacks him down in every offensive category except total walks and homeruns. It should also be noted that Williams also missed 5 full seasons in the prime of his career to serve in WWII and Korean War as a pilot.

Is Dan Marino one of the top 3 greatest QB's to ever play the game? If not, then you should be voting for Ted Williams hands down. What has Marino done in one season alone that will stand the test of time? I'm willing to bet that we will not see anyone bat higher than .406 in our lifetimes, even in this era of steroid pumping mashers...

Marino threw for 5,000 yards and 48 TD's in one year. Totals that have never and may never be topped. And he is definately one of the 3 Greatest QB's to ever play the game. Hell alot of people think he IS THE greatest QB of all time. Not to mention holding the career records for TD's, Yards, Completions. here is a website that shows all of his statistical acheivements. I bet my life though he would trade in all of those records for a SuperBowl ring.

Marino had his chance to win a Superbowl and he was measured and showed to be wanting!

how is it any different from teddy ballgame??

you can't argue, Marino isn't great because he never won the big one in a thread about the greatest athlete to have never won the big one.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: WHipLAsh13

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
As a baseball buff, it's The Splendid Splinter Ted Williams EASY. He is one of the undisputed top 3 greatest baseball players of all time: Ruth, Mays, and Williams.

When Bonds bats higher than .406 in a season, finishes with a career batting average higher than .344 for 7th all time(Bonds at a wimpy .297), wins TWO Triple Crowns (lead in HR/RBI/BatAvg), wins 6 batting titles (Bonds 1), leads the league in SLG% 9 times and finishes 2nd all time only to the Babe, is first all time in On base % at .482, leads his league 10 times in OPS (Bonds 8), leads the league 6 times in total bases (Bonds did it once), leads the league in RBI's 4 times (Bonds did it once), leads the league in homeruns 4 times (Bonds did it twice), leads the league 5 times in extra base hits (Bonds 3), and is found innocent in federal court for not taking THG during his 73HR season, then I will vote for him.

Also it should be noted that Bonds has played 3 more full seasons than Williams already, yet Teddy Ballgame smacks him down in every offensive category except total walks and homeruns. It should also be noted that Williams also missed 5 full seasons in the prime of his career to serve in WWII and Korean War as a pilot.

Is Dan Marino one of the top 3 greatest QB's to ever play the game? If not, then you should be voting for Ted Williams hands down. What has Marino done in one season alone that will stand the test of time? I'm willing to bet that we will not see anyone bat higher than .406 in our lifetimes, even in this era of steroid pumping mashers...

Marino threw for 5,084 yards and 48 TD's in one year. Totals that have never and may never be topped. And he is definately one of the 3 Greatest QB's to ever play the game. Hell alot of people think he IS THE greatest QB of all time. Not to mention holding the career records for TD's, Yards, Completions. here is a website that shows all of his statistical acheivements. I bet my life though he would trade in all of those records for a SuperBowl ring.

I agree with the Williams over Bonds thing. I can't believe so many people have voted for Bonds but I guess that has something to do with the age of the voters in here. Alot of them were't around to know much about Williams.

That's pretty insane about Marino... but check this out!. This lists 5 other QBs as better than Marino on the NEWS rating, sort of like the ERA+ stat in baseball that measure dominance. It measures how much better the QB was in regards to his peers in yards gained passing over the peers of their repective eras. This is accurate IMO b/c it's easier to pass in the past 20 years:

Shortly after Marino surpassed Fran Tarkenton, Dan Dierdorf commented on Monday Night Football that it is much easier to throw today than it was during the days of Tarkenton. One of the major reasons is that there have been rule changes to benefit the passing game.

Granted, I'm not taking anything away from Marino, but there are arguments that he wasn't the greatest QB of all time. He is probably in the top 3 though, so I would rate Marino and Ted Williams on the same level of dominance for their eras(given I'm not a football guru but baseball) and both should be the only ones considered for this question IMHO. 🙂

 

[cronos]

Originally posted by: Leejai
Sir Charles Barkeley..

oops....wait...i thought you said BIGGEST athlete not to win a GREAT game.....

hahah.. that's funny.

i'm gonna go with John Stockton.

 

[Anubis]

i cant beleive that Barry Bonds almost has as many votes as Ted Williams,


more proof that there are too many people under 12 here

 

[PlatinumGold]

btw, NO WAY Barry Sanders deserves any votes. he quit.

 

[sash1]

Patrick Ewing! I still have his jersey, he was my favorite player back when he played.

 

[WHipLAsh13]

Don't know if I agree with Ewing. He was a good center but the greatest athlete to not win the big game?

 

[Ynog]

Originally posted by: WHipLAsh13
Don't know if I agree with Ewing. He was a good center but the greatest athlete to not win the big game?

I named alot of guys but, I really think there are only two guys that can be compared on this list anyway.

Williams and Marino. and IMHO I say Williams.

 

[WHipLAsh13]

Originally posted by: Ynog

Originally posted by: WHipLAsh13
Don't know if I agree with Ewing. He was a good center but the greatest athlete to not win the big game?

I named alot of guys but, I really think there are only two guys that can be compared on this list anyway.

Williams and Marino. and IMHO I say Williams.

Sanders and Bonds seem to be getting alot of votes as well.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: WHipLAsh13

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
how can u even compare ted williams and dan marino?

edit: williams of course

Marino holds almost every passing record in history on a team that pretty much sucked. Thats how.

I agree. Marino was a great quarterback who will never be known for winning the bigone 🙁

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[Ausm]

Originally posted by: WHipLAsh13

Originally posted by: Ynog

Originally posted by: WHipLAsh13
Don't know if I agree with Ewing. He was a good center but the greatest athlete to not win the big game?

I named alot of guys but, I really think there are only two guys that can be compared on this list anyway.

Williams and Marino. and IMHO I say Williams.

Sanders and Bonds seem to be getting alot of votes as well.

Barry Sanders was one of the best runningbacks there ever was. He played on a crappy team but still managed to have several 1000 yrd seasons.

The Packers made a HUGE mistake drafting Tony Mandrich number 1 overall instead of Barry Sanders.


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[Coquito]

I would second Warren Moon, with a strong consideration to Charles Barkley. In all honesty, when I think of the greatest athlete NOT to win a title game, I think of someone who was filled with talent as well as determination. That automatically lessens Barry Sanders & Patrick Ewing, while giving even more praise to players like Cobb & Barkley.

 

[WHipLAsh13]

I will add Moon to the list.

 

[Childs]

Karl Malone should be on that list. 2nd all time leading scorer in NBA history.

But my vote goes to Barry Bonds. Marino is one of the best quarterbacks not to win a championship, but Barry Bonds looks to be one of the top 5 baseball players all time.

 

[WHipLAsh13]

Originally posted by: Childs
Karl Malone should be on that list. 2nd all time leading scorer in NBA history.

But my vote goes to Barry Bonds. Marino is one of the best quarterbacks not to win a championship, but Barry Bonds looks to be one of the top 5 baseball players all time.

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[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Anubis
i cant beleive that Barry Bonds almost has as many votes as Ted Williams,


more proof that there are too many people under 12 here

Please backup your statement because I voted for Bonds and would like to know how that makes me part of the 'people under 12 here' crew.

I'm sure that you saw several of Ted Williams's games as they happened, so please enlighten us.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Anubis
i cant beleive that Barry Bonds almost has as many votes as Ted Williams,


more proof that there are too many people under 12 here

Please backup your statement because I voted for Bonds and would like to know how that makes me part of the 'people under 12 here' crew.

I'm sure that you saw several of Ted Williams's games as they happened, so please enlighten us.

Did you even read this thread? I'll reiterate it since you're too lazy to look above:

As a baseball buff, it's The Splendid Splinter Ted Williams EASY. He is one of the undisputed top 3 greatest baseball players of all time: Ruth, Mays, and Williams.

When Bonds bats higher than .406 in a season, finishes with a career batting average higher than .344 for 7th all time(Bonds at a wimpy .297), wins TWO Triple Crowns (lead in HR/RBI/BatAvg), wins 6 batting titles (Bonds 1), leads the league in SLG% 9 times and finishes 2nd all time only to the Babe, is first all time in On base % at .482, leads his league 10 times in OPS (Bonds 8), leads the league 6 times in total bases (Bonds did it once), leads the league in RBI's 4 times (Bonds did it once), leads the league in homeruns 4 times (Bonds did it twice), leads the league 5 times in extra base hits (Bonds 3), and is found innocent in federal court for not taking THG during his 73HR season, then I will vote for him.

Also it should be noted that Bonds has played 3 more full seasons than Williams already, yet Teddy Ballgame smacks him down in every offensive category except total walks and homeruns. It should also be noted that Williams also missed 5 full seasons in the prime of his career to serve in WWII and Korean War as a pilot.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Anubis
i cant beleive that Barry Bonds almost has as many votes as Ted Williams,


more proof that there are too many people under 12 here

What's wrong with that? Barry Bonds is one of the greatest hitters of all time. Someone could just as well say that Bonds is better than Ted Williams.

 

[WHipLAsh13]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Anubis
i cant beleive that Barry Bonds almost has as many votes as Ted Williams,


more proof that there are too many people under 12 here

What's wrong with that? Barry Bonds is one of the greatest hitters of all time. Someone could just as well say that Bonds is better than Ted Williams.

Someone could but that someone is more than likely under 20 and not very informed on the history of baseball.