Poll: Who is more popular to bash these days: 3dfx or Intel?

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Noriaki

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Holy crap...
Why is everyone so dead set on bashing either 3dfx or Intel.
Like they can't make a few mistakes..
Rambus was a mistake, Intel's CEO clearly announced to the world that they feel Rambus was a mistake.
They have the i815E to replace the i820...
Intel isn't forcing you to use Rambus..yes intel helped rambus build up...but rambus is scourging everyone now...it's partially intel's fault but they are trying to fix it.

And 3dfx! Holy crap...you people are beating down 3dfx so badly, yes ok the VSA-100 is a bit of a fork up...but seriously now...you'd think some 3dfx guys stepped on your dog or something...

So anyways...here's a little poll who do you prefer to bash.
Intel or 3dfx.
 
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Dark4ng3l

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Intel can you imagine what we would be paying for 600mhz katmai p3's right now if amd wasnt here?
 
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ModemMix

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company bashing is fun for the whole family, i like all the current companies i just dont like some of there decision making and there business practices, but i wouldnt trade any of them to have just one i love the current competition DOWN WITH PRICES LONG LIVE INTEL, AMD, NVIDIA< AND 3DFX...although 3dfx isnt doing much in the way of causing price drops these days Hopefully ati can do that.
 
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Intel can you imagine what we would be paying for 600mhz katmai p3's right now if amd wasnt here?

Good Point :)
 
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PCResources

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<< Rambus was a mistake, Intel's CEO clearly announced to the world that they feel Rambus was a mistake. >>



I still do not get it!

The mistake in this whole affair was not Rambus (i just hate the company Rambus, but not the technology, let's get that clear) it was Intel's fault. their implementation of Ramus was sooo stupid. You have got memory that will do 800Mhz (1Ghz today), and you try to use it with a 133Mhz bus... HELLOOOOOOOOOO, with this setup, DDR would be just as bad, but everyone LOVES DDR.

If you would design a motherboard/CPU solution with more than two channels, an integrated memory controller, wich would be the memory of your choice? Oh, come on, there is only one contender, Rambus.

So the Rambus memory has the potential to be A LOT faster than DDR or DDR-II for that matter, but Intel screwed up, and now everyone thinks Rambus is a low-performing memory technology.

I really, REALLY hate what Rambus is trying to do to the memory market, but as soon as the A21364 is out, i will be buying it, along with lots of RBDRAM, call me a sell-out if you want to, but i'm just being fair to my customers.

For the 3Dfx, i can say only one thing, the only thing 3Dfx had going for them was glide, now glide is dead.

Hmmmm, so i guess i'm bashing both equally...

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Fozzie

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&quot;The mistake in this whole affair was not Rambus (i just hate the company Rambus, but not the technology, let's get that clear) it was Intel's fault. their implementation of Ramus was sooo stupid. You have got memory that will do 800Mhz (1Ghz today), and you try to use it with a 133Mhz bus... HELLOOOOOOOOOO, with this setup, DDR would be just as bad, but everyone LOVES DDR.&quot;

Well see now thats the funny thing that your ignoring. Take Rambus running at 400MHz DDR on a 16bit bus with 1.6GB's of bandwidth on a motherboard, then take a similiar motherboard with 133MHz SDRam @ 64bits and guess which one is the faster 90% of the time? Seems like if the Rambus is bottlenecked by the 1GB FSB then it should be AS fast or faster then SDRam right? Too bad the tests showed that to be false.

Another thing, look at actual memory bandwidth performance and it turns out its actually quite a bit lower with SDRam then the capability of the FSB. Typically 500MB or less on many chipsets. So even though its supposedly bottlenecked Rambus should have been faster right?

And most people I know have been rather skeptical with DDR on the PIII. MOST people are/were eager for DDR on the Athlon with its 200 &amp; 266MHz DDR FSB.
 
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<< Well see now thats the funny thing that your ignoring. Take Rambus running at 400MHz DDR on a 16bit bus with 1.6GB's of bandwidth on a motherboard, then take a similiar motherboard with 133MHz SDRam @ 64bits and guess which one is the faster 90% of the time? Seems like if the Rambus is bottlenecked by the 1GB FSB then it should be AS fast or faster then SDRam right? Too bad the tests showed that to be false. >>



So the CPU you are mentioning here has a built in memory interface?? and multiple channels (more than two)??

So you are comparing two configurations, one with all benefits it could ever use (SDRAM) and one with no benefits (Rambus), and you are surprised?? The latency is all for the SDRAM and the bandwidth is not enough for RB too work it?s magic.

The reason SDRAM is faster in these configurations is because of it?s lower latency, with a built in memory controller the latency would be lower, and with eight channels? well SDRAM wouldn?t stand a chance, this is the configuration I am talking about.

What you are telling me is that the Intel implementation of Rambus sucks, but i already stated that so what the hell is your point???????????

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Noriaki

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I have nothing against Rambus the technology.
It's the company I hate.

And Rambus has good potential, Intel's mistake was that it's too early to use Direct Rambus in a PC.
I love DDR because it's bandwidth matches the FSB of an Athlon.
When the P4 comes out with a 3.2GB/s FSB, I firmly believe rambus will be able to stretch it's legs since Dual channel RIMMs give 3.2GB/s.

I dislike the price of RIMMs, and I dislike Rambus Inc's business tactics.
 
ElFenix

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i think we should bash compaq for buying dec without reason and then trashing anything good that dec could have done, such as the alphaserver. those woulda so ruled the internet server world but its all suns and ibms and hps.

rambus' litigous nature is the worst thing about them. their ram tech probably does have its time, but its not right now. unfortunately they want it to be right now. i don't know if that is worse for them as a company (pissing off every dram maker and intel), or for us as consumers.
 
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Ben

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I, for one, have seen enough 3dfx bashing to last me a lifetime. It's really GETTING OLD!
 
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Fozzie

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&quot;You have got memory that will do 800Mhz (1Ghz today), and you try to use it with a 133Mhz bus... HELLOOOOOOOOOO, with this setup, DDR would be just as bad, but everyone LOVES DDR.&quot;

Do you always contradict yourself? First you say it was because Rambus was bottlenecked because of the FSB. Then you say the SDRam wins because of its lower latency(the correct answer) and Rambus is waiting for a proper implimentation(I agree to a degree). So which is it? Next time watch what your saying.

What would I rather take? A dual channel Rambus at 800MHz DDR or a 128bit DDR interface at 400MHz DDR? 3.2GB vs 6.4GB and lower latencies? Is there even a question here?
 
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<< Do you always contradict yourself? First you say it was because Rambus was bottlenecked because of the FSB. Then you say the SDRam wins because of its lower latency(the correct answer) and Rambus is waiting for a proper implimentation(I agree to a degree). So which is it? Next time watch what your saying. >>



And where is the contradiction?? My point is, on a (Intel system) 133Mhz FSB the memory with the lower latency wins. If you have a 133Mhz FSB go with SDRAM, BUT if you have got a 400Mhz FSB then maybe the Rambus could have something to offer, don't you think? And if you lower latency by integrating the memory controller with the CPU, then wouldn't that be nice? Next time try to understand what i write instead of just trying to bash me.



<< What would I rather take? A dual channel Rambus at 800MHz DDR or a 128bit DDR interface at 400MHz DDR? 3.2GB vs 6.4GB and lower latencies? Is there even a question here? >>



Nope, i don't think so. But from where did you get the extra 64bits? This is NOT an easy thing to do, the pin count would be VERY high, so don't count on getting that 128bit DDR (at 400Mhz it would be DDR-II). And from where did you get the lower latencies? Are you sure that 400Mhz SDRAM would have lower latencies than 800Mhz RB?

Again, you are talking about Intels impementation of RB, and again, you are basically just agreeing with what i said, Intel's implementation sucks. The RB system i am talking about wouldn't have 3.2GB max, it would have 12,8GB (16GB with 1Ghz mem) maximum throughput, and low latency because of the on-chip memory controller.

So what would you like, a 64bit DDR-II interface running at 400Mhz or an eight channel, 1Ghz with low latency? 3.2GB vs 16GB? Is there even a question there?


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PCResources

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<< i think we should bash compaq for buying dec without reason and then trashing anything good that dec could have done, such as the alphaserver. >>



Eh, so when did Compaq trash the Alpha? Do you have some info that i don't?

Would you please elaborate on this?

Patrick Palm

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