POLL: Who do you plan on voting for?

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Who do you plan on voting for in the presidential election?

  • OTHER (e.g. already voted, not voting, voting third party, etc.)

    Votes: 20 30.8%
  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 29 44.6%
  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 16 24.6%

  • Total voters
    65
  • Poll closed .

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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I subscribe to the opinion that even crappy people deserve human rights. I don't laugh when crappy people die, but then I've never been the architect of someone's death.

She lied, her lie led directly to his extra judicial murder on international TV, and then she made it a joke on camera - herself. It's ghoulish.

I'm going to say something nice about Bush to provide the appropriate contrast. Saddam was captured, put on trial, convicted, and hung from the neck until dead. That's how modern, developed civilizations kill crappy people.
Sure. Sure. I'm sure you are equally outraged about the death of Bin Laden. Let's also ignore how many other people died as a direct result of doing it with your preferred method.
 

Knowing

Golden Member
Mar 18, 2014
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Sure. Sure. I'm sure you are equally outraged about the death of Bin Laden. Let's also ignore how many other people died as a direct result of doing it with your preferred method.

Actually I am, I wanted answers and now all I have is more questions.

If someone is going to do murder in my name then yes, I expect it to be done in a rational and civil manner. Alternatively, Hills could have started by not lying about the no fly zone, not using our war materiel to interdict the convoy and therefore not be responsible for the massacre of a human being (and probably several others in his service).

I'm really not asking for that much, but it does demonstrate what a sad state of affairs we're in that your expectations are so low.
 

stockwiz

Senior member
Sep 8, 2013
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Neither. They've both train wrecks. I'll let the sheep who think there's a huge difference in between the parties battle it out... in the end I hope one party wins the presidency and the other gains congressional control so we get some gridlock, though the stuff the globalists want done like the refugee program will continue to get done regardless because they have their agenda, admittedly I don't know exactly what and why.... Trump got nominated because of the globalist infiltration of both parties, the banker/ceo/corporate ownership of our politics and media, unfortunately he's not for real and is just what you would call "controlled opposition" or perhaps a "Hillary Clinton Plant" ...
 
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rudder

Lifer
Nov 9, 2000
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Let's see I can vote for Hillary and have another 4 years of continued shitty Obama policies.... Anyone care to guess how many times congress will,have to vote to raise the debt limit under Clinton. Not to mention her loading the courts with super progressive leftists....

Or I can vote for trump with no freaking idea what will happen.

Decisions decisions.
 

MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
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Let's see I can vote for Hillary and have another 4 years of continued shitty Obama policies.... Anyone care to guess how many times congress will,have to vote to raise the debt limit under Clinton. Not to mention her loading the courts with super progressive leftists....

Or I can vote for trump with no freaking idea what will happen.

Decisions decisions.

I'd almost bet you would go with the "no freaking idea what will happen" option myself, based on a lot of things from the past.

But there is no way to screen out people that don't take things seriously I guess.
 
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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Let's see I can vote for Hillary and have another 4 years of continued shitty Obama policies.... Anyone care to guess how many times congress will,have to vote to raise the debt limit under Clinton. Not to mention her loading the courts with super progressive leftists....

Or I can vote for trump with no freaking idea what will happen.

Decisions decisions.

decreasing the wage gap and consistent and vibrant job growth sure are shitty policies. Compared to what will certainly be the opposite under a Trump that wants to export the bulk of our labor force and strangle our trade income.

decisions, decisions.
 

bshole

Diamond Member
Mar 12, 2013
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decreasing the wage gap and consistent and vibrant job growth sure are shitty policies. Compared to what will certainly be the opposite under a Trump that wants to export the bulk of our labor force and strangle our trade income.

decisions, decisions.

Wage gap? Are you talking about the wage gap between the wealthy and the rest of America? My information is that wage gap has been growing since Reagan and has not stopped under Obama. BLM is a SYMPTOM of that problem. If that wage gap continues unabated, there could be violent repercussions in the near future.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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Wage gap? Are you talking about the wage gap between the wealthy and the rest of America? My information is that wage gap has been growing since Reagan and has not stopped under Obama. BLM is a SYMPTOM of that problem. If that wage gap continues unabated, there could be violent repercussions in the near future.
I think I remember seeing just this last month the wage gap started shrinking for the first time in ages. I could be off on the details here though.
 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
42,808
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Let's see I can vote for Hillary and have another 4 years of continued shitty Obama policies.... Anyone care to guess how many times congress will,have to vote to raise the debt limit under Clinton. Not to mention her loading the courts with super progressive leftists....

Or I can vote for trump with no freaking idea what will happen.

Decisions decisions.
Trump's plans would be disastrous for the deficit and he'd have a complicit Congress rubber-stamping everything (it's a 100% guarantee that Republicans keep the House, and there's no way they'd lose the Senate if Hillary lost the Presidency)... Clinton at least gives us 4 more years of a divided government and the GOP another chance to nominate someone less batshit crazy in 2020.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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Trump's plans would be disastrous for the deficit and he'd have a complicit Congress rubber-stamping everything (it's a 100% guarantee that Republicans keep the House, and there's no way they'd lose the Senate if Hillary lost the Presidency)... Clinton at least gives us 4 more years of a divided government and the GOP another chance to nominate someone less batshit crazy in 2020.
I like your optimism about 2020, lol.
 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
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I like your optimism about 2020, lol.
I mean, they can't possibly do worse... they could pick a name out of a book containing nothing but people on death row and the guy would probably make a better President than Trump.

there's also the fact that if Trump loses, the RNC will almost certainly alter their primary structure to discourage another Trump (super delegates, no winner-take-all primaries, candidates must have been a registered Republican for X years before the race, etc)
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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I mean, they can't possibly do worse... they could pick a name out of a book containing nothing but people on death row and the guy would probably make a better President than Trump.

there's also the fact that if Trump loses, the RNC will almost certainly alter their primary structure to discourage another Trump (super delegates, no winner-take-all primaries, candidates must have been a registered Republican for X years before the race, etc)
You'll find plenty of people who will argue that Cruz is worse, but that aside, every single one of the 17 was batshit crazy. It's true that Trump is clearly the craziest, though.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Wage gap? Are you talking about the wage gap between the wealthy and the rest of America? My information is that wage gap has been growing since Reagan and has not stopped under Obama. BLM is a SYMPTOM of that problem. If that wage gap continues unabated, there could be violent repercussions in the near future.

I think I remember seeing just this last month the wage gap started shrinking for the first time in ages. I could be off on the details here though.

Last week, actually, and yes I mean the income gap between wealthy and middle class

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/page/files/20160923_record_inequality_cea.pdf

TL DR: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-income-gap-began-to-narrow-under-obama/

I realized just now that "wage gap" is not the best phrase because that more popularly refers to the gender-based income gap (real or not, whatever the OWMSJWs are about to bitch about), and "income gap" refers to that based on class/socioeconomic status.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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I mean, they can't possibly do worse... they could pick a name out of a book containing nothing but people on death row and the guy would probably make a better President than Trump.

there's also the fact that if Trump loses, the RNC will almost certainly alter their primary structure to discourage another Trump (super delegates, no winner-take-all primaries, candidates must have been a registered Republican for X years before the race, etc)

Remember what everyone said about Sarah Palin--how that seemed like such an anomaly? Consider who is still out there, what with Trump essentially leaving the door wide open to every possibility:
Ted Nugent
Alex Jones
Glen Beck
Curt Schilling
texashiker
spidey
 

theeedude

Lifer
Feb 5, 2006
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GOP base is only going to get dumber by 2020. Plus they are angry while the economy is booming, can you imagine the rage if we have another recession?
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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GOP base is only going to get dumber by 2020. Plus they are angry while the economy is booming, can you imagine the rage if we have another recession?
Part of the reason they are so pissed off is that their predictions of doom and gloom resulting from Obama's Presidency aren't coming to fruition.
 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
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Remember what everyone said about Sarah Palin--how that seemed like such an anomaly?

imagine if Trump ran in a field without winner-take-all primaries and with super delegates, though.

the race would have gone to the convention in a 3-way split with no candidate having 50%+1 delegates and super delegates could have given the race to the most electable candidate (with Trump offered VP as a consolation prize and then sent off to stump in Alaska)
 

vi edit

Elite Member
Super Moderator
Oct 28, 1999
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So this is my first election I've voted in since moving to Kentucky. Got my voter registration in the mail yesterday. I live on a cul de sac and at the opposite end of my street is the subdivision clubhouse. That's where my polling center is. It's a 2 minute walk from my house. Awesome.
 

SR-71 Blackbird

Junior Member
Mar 5, 2013
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Clinton Foundation , Benghazi , 20+ Trillion debt , illegal servers , record number of people on food stamps and welfare , intentionally depleted military , record high illegal immigration allowed with no background checks , destabilization of Libya and Syria , millions in foreign campaign donations < also illegal , allowing non citizens to vote , my choice is easy.... TRUMP.
 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
42,808
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So this is my first election I've voted in since moving to Kentucky. Got my voter registration in the mail yesterday. I live on a cul de sac and at the opposite end of my street is the subdivision clubhouse. That's where my polling center is. It's a 2 minute walk from my house. Awesome.
I'm looking forward to that this year.

last election, I voted by mail because my polling center wasn't in walking distance and never had any parking... this year, I like across the street from a school. all I'll have to do is cross the street and walk around to the side entrance.
 

herm0016

Diamond Member
Feb 26, 2005
8,522
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Until my vote is actually heard i wont be voting.

That may be the dumbest thing I have heard. How can you ever have your voice heard if you never vote? cart>>horse.

its the same as saying you won't vote for someone because they will not win. Obviously, if everyone that did that voted for that person, they would have a chance to be heard / influence the direction of the election.
 

Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
15,908
4,940
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I'm going with other. Around this place the polls are going to favor Hillary, that's a given, even if it doesn't reflect the rest of the world.

The rest of the world would probably make these forums seem god damned conservative compared to Hillary/Trump support.
 
Nov 29, 2006
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That may be the dumbest thing I have heard. How can you ever have your voice heard if you never vote? cart>>horse.

its the same as saying you won't vote for someone because they will not win. Obviously, if everyone that did that voted for that person, they would have a chance to be heard / influence the direction of the election.
Heard of the Electoral College before?