Poll: Which of these 21" monitors would you buy?

[deadseasquirrel]

Dell P1110 for $250

Dell P1130 for $300

HP P1130 for $350

NEC FP2141SB-BK for $400

Sony G520 for $400

 

[Ages120]

The sony and hp sites don't give refresh rates for given resolutions.

 

[BFG10K]

I'd get the G520.

 

[blazer78]

G520

 

[ponyo]

I would also recommend G520. But then again I'm biased as I own one. But it's the best CRT monitor I've used.

 

[ChkSix]

The G520. I own it and it rocks. (and it gives refresh rates for every possible resolution)

 

[yhelothar]

The Sony G520 and the Dell P1130 should be the same tube. They have the exact same specs and even has the same weight.
Well I have the IBM P275 which also uses the Sony G520 tube, and I have used the Dell P1110 which uses the G500 tube.
I would have to recommend against it and go for a Viewsonic G220f.
It is impossible to get perfect convergence from this tube, and if you have the brightness/contrast turned up to ideal levels, it gets considerably blurry.

 

[Cuular]

I would go for the NEC, Because that just happens to be their 22" model, and it has a mighty fine picture and good refresh rates. It pushes 85 all the way up to any reasonable size, and has a really good crisp picture.

EDIT: Spelling and such.

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
The Sony G520 and the Dell P1130 should be the same tube. They have the exact same specs and even has the same weight.
Well I have the IBM P275 which also uses the Sony G520 tube, and I have used the Dell P1110 which uses the G500 tube.
I would have to recommend against it and go for a Viewsonic G220f.
It is impossible to get perfect convergence from this tube, and if you have the brightness/contrast turned up to ideal levels, it gets considerably blurry.

That is contrary to my experience with my P1110. You must have gotten a bad one. I have NO PROBLEMS with convergence, or brightness/contrast. Sure it washes out (as does any monitor) if you turn them both up to 100%, but 60-75% brightness (depending on ambient light) with 100% contrast has been perfect for me. The only complaint I have against mine is it's a refurb, and has a couple of scratches on the screen.

Any of those monitors will probably serve you very well.

 

[Steve]

I'd get a Samsung with a 0.20mm dot pitch. Available in ivory or black:

http://www.samsungusa.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?eUser=&prod_id=CF21GSBU

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: sm8000
I'd get a Samsung with a 0.20mm dot pitch. Available in ivory or black:

http://www.samsungusa.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?eUser=&prod_id=CF21GSBU

That's horizontal dot pitch - diagonal on that monitor is .24, like most of these other ones. Horizontal dp is a bullsh!t measurement that some manufacturers use just to make themselves sound better than the competition; diagonal dot pitch is the standard measurement.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: sm8000
I'd get a Samsung with a 0.20mm dot pitch. Available in ivory or black:

http://www.samsungusa.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?eUser=&prod_id=CF21GSBU

That's horizontal dot pitch - diagonal on that monitor is .24, like most of these other ones. Horizontal dp is a bullsh!t measurement that some manufacturers use just to make themselves sound better than the competition; diagonal dot pitch is the standard measurement.

Also uses DynaFlat. DynaFlat is not completely flat. They just put flat glass in front but if you look you can see curves inside. DynaFlat can't touch Trinitron or Diamondtron.

 

[incallisto]

Iiyama!

 

[MrPabulum]

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: sm8000
I'd get a Samsung with a 0.20mm dot pitch. Available in ivory or black:

http://www.samsungusa.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?eUser=&prod_id=CF21GSBU

That's horizontal dot pitch - diagonal on that monitor is .24, like most of these other ones. Horizontal dp is a bullsh!t measurement that some manufacturers use just to make themselves sound better than the competition; diagonal dot pitch is the standard measurement.

Also uses DynaFlat. DynaFlat is not completely flat. They just put flat glass in front but if you look you can see curves inside. DynaFlat can't touch Trinitron or Diamondtron.

Quite true. I have a Samsung 1100DF in storage. Nice monitor, but invar shadow masks don't compare favorably to Trinitron or Diamondtron models. Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Unless you plan to run insanely high resolutions (basically anything higher than 1600 x 1200), save some $$$ and purchase the NEC 2111 22" CRT. MaximumPC recently awarded it a 9 and 'Kick Ass Award'.

Sony tubes are great, but I believe they have stopped producing CRTs. NEC/Mitsubishi still actively produce and support their monitors. A dying breed apparently.

 

[Alkali]

NEC definately.

The old Sony CRT F-range (most expensive) was great but Sony dont make them anymore as far as I know...

 

[Bartokomus]

I ~know~ it wasn't in the choices, but my 21" BenQ has me happy as a clam. I'm typing this on my Accusync @ work and it is just nowhere near the same quality picture. the BenQ was only $289...

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
The Sony G520 and the Dell P1130 should be the same tube. They have the exact same specs and even has the same weight.
Well I have the IBM P275 which also uses the Sony G520 tube, and I have used the Dell P1110 which uses the G500 tube.
I would have to recommend against it and go for a Viewsonic G220f.
It is impossible to get perfect convergence from this tube, and if you have the brightness/contrast turned up to ideal levels, it gets considerably blurry.

That is contrary to my experience with my P1110. You must have gotten a bad one. I have NO PROBLEMS with convergence, or brightness/contrast.

the problems he was speaking of are with the Viewsonic G220f.

 

[YouAreForbidden]

im sure he was talking about the P1110.

Regards,
Y.A.F.
:beer:

 

[BudAshes]

i read a maximum pc review that said the nec 2141 pwned the g520. Now they could be wrong, but they are usually pretty good with stuff like that.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: Xafgoat
i read a maximum pc review that said the nec 2141 pwned the g520. Now they could be wrong, but they are usually pretty good with stuff like that.

Visual quality is highly subjective. There is no benchmark that says what looks better. It's up to the individual and how they see it. You can objectively compare specs but that's about it.

 

[remagavon]

Originally posted by: deadseasquirrel
Dell P1110 for $250

Dell P1130 for $300

HP P1130 for $350

NEC FP2141SB-BK for $400

Sony G520 for $400

Where are you getting a G520 for $400?

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
The Sony G520 and the Dell P1130 should be the same tube. They have the exact same specs and even has the same weight.
Well I have the IBM P275 which also uses the Sony G520 tube, and I have used the Dell P1110 which uses the G500 tube.
I would have to recommend against it and go for a Viewsonic G220f.
It is impossible to get perfect convergence from this tube, and if you have the brightness/contrast turned up to ideal levels, it gets considerably blurry.

That is contrary to my experience with my P1110. You must have gotten a bad one. I have NO PROBLEMS with convergence, or brightness/contrast. Sure it washes out (as does any monitor) if you turn them both up to 100%, but 60-75% brightness (depending on ambient light) with 100% contrast has been perfect for me. The only complaint I have against mine is it's a refurb, and has a couple of scratches on the screen.

Any of those monitors will probably serve you very well.

I'd really like to see your monitor then. I tried two P1110 and four P275s...
ALL of them have the same problem.

I never said anything about washing out, but the lines on bright color backgrounds turn blurry at anything past 85contrat/40 brightness. This problem was duplicated 5 of the 6 monitors I tried, except one P275 didn't have this problem, but had the complete opposite, dark colors are blurry on each other.


Here are two pictures I took to show this blurriness. The pictures aren't too good at showing it, but it does the job. The monitor looks far more blurriness effect is much more distinguishable when seen with your own eyes than with the picture.

85contrast/35brightness everything is sharp
turn it up to 100contrast/45brightness everything gets blurry

 

[ponyo]

Those pics show severe moire patterns on your screen. You need to adjust moire level on your monitor.

 

[yhelothar]

that moiré isn't visible to the eye.. so I just ignore it.

 

[ponyo]

ok, if you say so. It looks pretty visible to me. But it's your eyes.