POLL! what is the better all around video card

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: lolgloin

Originally posted by: lolgloin
Alright, I'm looking for this to last about 2 years.

Here is what its friends will look like:

CHAINTECH nForce3 250 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket 754 Athlon 64 CPU, Model "VNF3-250"
AMD Athlon 64 3200+

So, I'm hoping that it will last for a good two years, maybe with some overclocking later on if I need it, and I will predominantly be gaming with it. I don't like dealing with noise/heat issues, so if the 6800GT is THAT much of a problem in those areas, please say so.

Thanks.

mine is not loud (EVGA) and it doesnt have heat issues. i think most people will tell you the same thing. it isnt a problem at all.

 

[Zebo]

GT only because you can OC it and 16 pipes. IQ is worse and PVP don't work.

But who cares? There so close anyway. Not like those fools buying a 5700U over a 5900NU last christmas

 

[SneakyStuff]

Originally posted by: lolgloin

Originally posted by: LeadFrog
This is gona be a close race

If you are being sarcastic because you think one card is superior, please tell me why. Thank you.

Nice Read For Ya

 

[BFG10K]

How do you explain the 125 MHz difference in the core speed? The X800 tops the 6800 GT in that respect, but how is that overcome?

The GT has 16 pipelines while the Pro has 12.

 

[Blastman]

Originally posted by: Rage187


for the tenth time, download rivatuner, set AA to 4S, and LOD to 0.3, problem solved, now stop bringing it up in every thread or I'll point to the thread where the x800 is having the same IQ issue.

Youmean 8xS...??? , ya right, kills performance. Setting LOD doesn?t do much. And ATI has no problem with their AA.

nv news

4) Shimmering - now for the question we've all been waiting for - and the answer is - the 6800Gt even with all the settings cranked had a definitely more noticealbe shimmer on ground textures than the 9700pro. No contest - the Catalyst drivers ARE DOING A BETTER JOB ON THIS THAN THE 65.73. It is undisputable.

Changing the renderer.mipmapbias from -1.5 to -3.0 didn't do much except give more sharpness and


Conclusions:
1) Shimmering is pretty obviously due to issues with the Nvidia graphics drivers. I believe they can fix it once they get to it.

3) I believe it can be fixed, IF nvidia takes the time to correct it. Otherwise, if 2 or 3 driver sets down the road we're STILL seeing this, we'll need to decide whether it's the breaking issue of Nvidia vs. ATi and which card we'll buy.

like I said, I'm not biased, but if I'm laying down $400+ for a card, you bet your ass I want it to look the best it can compared to everything else out there. If Nvidia can pull off getting rid of this "shimmering" by the times those games are out, I'll stay. Otherwise, hello ATi!

 

[Appledrop]

dont know if this has been mentioned in this thread, but i belive the x800pro VIVO is a much better card - due to the fact that it can be modded to xt.. GT, however is more desirabke the non vivo

 

[SneakyStuff]

Hmmm, if I remember correctly, Azzy is an ATI fanboy maximus...

edit: Below is just a sample, someone was asking why their 3dmark score was low, and his response was "It's not an X800xt"

 

[SneakyStuff]

Originally posted by: SneakyStuff

Originally posted by: Azzy64
dont know if this has been mentioned in this thread, but i belive the x800pro VIVO is a much better card - due to the fact that it can be modded to xt.. GT, however is more desirabke the non vivo

Weren;t you the troll in other threads? Such as this?

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Originally posted by: Noid

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Originally posted by: Azzy64
its not an x800xt
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Neffing isnt allowed....

READ THE FORUM RULES

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We aren't asking if you like ATI more, we're asking which card is better all around, and guess what, it's the 6800 GT...

 

[Vallybally]

When it comes to doom, it looks like the 6800 does better, when i benchmarked the two, the 6800 got 77 fps and the x800 62-66. My eyes couldn't really discern the differnce,and both were played at the same resolution with the same settings. I'm sure the 6800 edged itout, but they both play doom 3 very well.

While you may disregard the difference as imperceptible today, next year when you're playing Doom4 at 25 FPS vs. 40 FPS, you'll see it different

 

[Pete]

40/25 is a much higher ratio than 77/62.

 

[carage]

As far as PCGamer/MaximumPC is concerned, they find "it's impossible to to recommend this [X800 Pro] over nVidia's [6800 GT]".
MaximumPC October P.76 Sapphire Toxic X800 Pro review.

 

[Subhuman25]

This thread has me a bit confused.
Are you trying to solicit legitimate,unbiased information of those that actually own both cards?
That's the only way you're going to get useful information.
An educated guess here is that you're mostly getting responses from folks who probably only have one or the other card and possibly have never even witnessed the performance of the other cards,like me.
I own an eVGA 6800GT and have never even witnessed an ATI X800Pro in action.Hence my opinion would merely be that of "what I've seen on the net and heard from others" opinion/evaluation.
Be that as it may,I'm inclined to rate both cards as equals from what I've seen/heard.Their forte's vary and obviously benchmarking will show bias towards one or the other card.
Why did I choose 6800GT and specifically eVGA? Performance/Price ratio .. a no brainer given the numbers.
Had I found an ATI X800Pro for the same price as my eVGA 6800GT,I would have opted for it and I'm quite sure I'd be just as happy.
With that stated,I'll say that I've never owned an ATI card in over 15 years of building computers(or my memory fails me if I have lol) So there should be reasonable suspicion of me being biased towards Nvidia in general and that is not at all so.
My deciding factors for my recent choices were merely price/performance ratio.Not one or the other alone.
Performance benchmarking serves some purpose,but I don't neccessarily rely on them to make my decisions in hardware choices.There are many other factors to consider when choosing HW.
Reliability,compatibility,reputation,customer service,warranty's,driver support,mofifiability. etc. are all just as if not more important in the process of choosing HW for your system.Benchmark tests may further support a choise in HW,but do not neccessarily have a impact on my choices for HW.
Some of those other items are more important to me.I could care less about a few benchmark points lost if it means I have a more reliable,compatible,supported card or piece of HW.
So you see I fail to see what purpose this poll can possibly serve you or anybody else.
These cards are equal,but accel in their respective forte's.

 

[theblackbox]

but, when doom4 comes out, if it does or some other big game down the road, by that time new video cards will be on the market with new features that take advantage of the technology at that point.
i think this is the pinnacle of agp as we have now seen the cpu limit the capabilities of the video card.

when that day comes, i'll get a new video card.
like i said, i own both, and am very happy with both all though i am kind of unhappy that nvidia made a big deal of their video processor, but didn't implement it, but i am a gamer, so in reality that doesn't affect me.

both do a great job.

 

[carage]

Originally posted by: Vallybally

When it comes to doom, it looks like the 6800 does better, when i benchmarked the two, the 6800 got 77 fps and the x800 62-66. My eyes couldn't really discern the differnce,and both were played at the same resolution with the same settings. I'm sure the 6800 edged itout, but they both play doom 3 very well.

While you may disregard the difference as imperceptible today, next year when you're playing Doom4 at 25 FPS vs. 40 FPS, you'll see it different

Perhaps you are referring to Quake IV, which might come out next year.
I doubt we will see Doom 4 in either the NV40 or R400's foreseeable market lifespan.

 

[Subhuman25]

Doesn't it seem rather silly to base your purchase if a high $$ video card based on a single game?
Answer = YES

Just as silly as basing it upon a benchmark.

 

[Pete]

If you're going to spend the majority of your time playing that game, not so much with the silliness....

 

[kyparrish]

[devil's advocate]
1. after coming to the PC after it ran all night, my x800pro was idling @ 36c
2. after hours of gaming, it runs @ 48c
3. my x800pro will run @ 580/580 no sweat
4. it plays every game I own GREAT
[/devil's advocate]

By the way, I bought my card because of price. I got a KILLER deal in the FS/FT forum. But, this x800pro isn't the hunk o' junk some people might think it is.

 

[ScrewFace]

People are overclocking their X800 Pros from 475/900 to 575/1100. With 12-pipes this gives a fill-rate of 6.9 Gigapixels compared to an overclocked GeForce 6800 GT at 400/1100 for a fill-rate of 6.4 Gigatexels. So, the X800 Pro overclocked is the superior product.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Originally posted by: ScrewFace
People are overclocking their X800 Pros from 475/900 to 575/1100. With 12-pipes this gives a fill-rate of 6.9 Gigapixels compared to an overclocked GeForce 6800 GT at 400/1100 for a fill-rate of 6.4 Gigatexels. So, the X800 Pro overclocked is the superior product.

Its not the superior product if it has to be OC'd to achieve it.

 

[kyparrish]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer

Originally posted by: ScrewFace
People are overclocking their X800 Pros from 475/900 to 575/1100. With 12-pipes this gives a fill-rate of 6.9 Gigapixels compared to an overclocked GeForce 6800 GT at 400/1100 for a fill-rate of 6.4 Gigatexels. So, the X800 Pro overclocked is the superior product.

Its not the superior product if it has to be OC'd to achieve it.

yes, but in this example the GT was overclocked from 350/1000 to 400/1100 also.

 

[Theodoor]

I voted x800pro 'cuz I got a x800pro vivo modded to xt and it smokes any 6800gt!!!!!
After upgrading the drivers I get very similar fps to 6800Ultra and x800xt, so of course a x800pro that can be modded is way better than a 6800gt. The big thing between ATI and NVIDIA in this round of graphic cards is the use of shader2.0 in ati and 3.0 in nividia cards. As stated many times before the only game that really benifits of this hardware app is Doom3 and hence the diferences in fps. I don't think that games to come will make such use of this tec. Only the next generation of cards will benifit with shadder3.0.

Ps: there is one thing that ATI and NVIDIA should look into and that's the improvement of anti aliasing tec.There is no use in having games running at 120fps if the human eye can only see less than 70fps.Games would run great on all systems if AA were improved instead of upgrading each generation of videocards to play games like doom3 on 1600x1200res.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well too bad an X800Pro VIVO is about the same price as an XT. On top of that we are sorta focusing on stock. The GT is the better card IMO as 16 pipelines may only help with AA and AF on right now but later it will really show.

WTF are you talking about, do you know anything. DoomIII doesn't use DX shaders its an OpenGL game!! SM 3.0 has ABSOLUTELY no effect on DIII. Barely any on far cry, but no game has native support for SM 30 so we dont know. Where have you heard this crap stated before? Really.. where!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. AA is awesome the problem is the cards aren't fast enough a lot of the time to use supersampling and high res textures.

-Kevin

 

[Theodoor]

Well I work for a big fat paying company called microsoft.....who do you work for again????
Punks that play games think they're so smart......yeah our tecs laugh at you!
oh I forgot yeah AA has been here for quite a while and the cards....have always not been fast enough for it that's why we sell the Xbox.
ps: Well since I can't live without C&C I still have to use the pc for games once in a while. And I'm a PR so sorry about the lack of hardware intel. Will get up to speed on everything with our tecs from hereon.Sorry about my wrong info YOU WERE RIGHT.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Theodoor
I voted x800pro 'cuz I got a x800pro vivo modded to xt and it smokes any 6800gt!!!!!
After upgrading the drivers I get very similar fps to 6800Ultra and x800xt, so of course a x800pro that can be modded is way better than a 6800gt. The big thing between ATI and NVIDIA in this round of graphic cards is the use of shader2.0 in ati and 3.0 in nividia cards. As stated many times before the only game that really benifits of this hardware app is Doom3 and hence the diferences in fps. I don't think that games to come will make such use of this tec. Only the next generation of cards will benifit with shadder3.0.

Ps: there is one thing that ATI and NVIDIA should look into and that's the improvement of anti aliasing tec.There is no use in having games running at 120fps if the human eye can only see less than 70fps.Games would run great on all systems if AA were improved instead of upgrading each generation of videocards to play games like doom3 on 1600x1200res.

You did'nt answer the question.

Anyway, Yes true, but it costs more too because you need a pro vivo in order to flash which is $425.

You can get a GT for $375.

I think it's a toss up between your two options. nV has some good future techs and is pretty fast and real fast openGL. Thier PVP failing to work as advertised pisses me off though. The Modded XTPE will smoke anything on the planet but in openGL games @ $50 more.

 

[imported_Salvatore]

And you can get an XT for $456.