You missed something else about the 6800 GT, it makes a loud noise when it blows because my msi 6800 gt did just that yesterday. It was only a few months old and I didn't even overclock it, after hearing of similar problems with various 6800 cards it seems to me that reliability might be a problem.
I have decided to exchange it for a x800 xt instead because atleast then I will get regular driver support unlike with nvidia!
Gamingphreek
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WHat are you talking about? Loud noises when it blows/fan turns on high... thats not an Nvidia problem that is a manf problem! Maybe a ball bearing has gone or something.
WHat do you mean by regular driver support. Yes, ATI has monthly updates however, when Nvidia releases an official update they do not do it half hazardly. Not saying ATI's drivers are bad but they tend to be either rushed, or flawed in some way.
-Kevin
WHat do you mean by regular driver support. Yes, ATI has monthly updates however, when Nvidia releases an official update they do not do it half hazardly. Not saying ATI's drivers are bad but they tend to be either rushed, or flawed in some way.
-Kevin
gsellis
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What is your friend going to use it for? There are some situations where the obvious answer is not always correct. If he is doing video editing, the line blurs and the ATI card may actually push ahead as the obvious answer (see the GeForce 6 Series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD as a reference point). I know that the ATI card is a better choice with my editing suite and with some of my tools, but the GT is faster at about everything else.
IF I had spare time to do some gaming, the GT is faster. But as a footnote, I do not exceed 1280x1024 on display resolution, so once well above 30 fps, I don't notice a difference. Must be because I am old (in comparison to the average AT poster.)
IF I had spare time to do some gaming, the GT is faster. But as a footnote, I do not exceed 1280x1024 on display resolution, so once well above 30 fps, I don't notice a difference. Must be because I am old (in comparison to the average AT poster.)
Originally posted by: gsellis
What is your friend going to use it for? There are some situations where the obvious answer is not always correct. If he is doing video editing, the line blurs and the ATI card may actually push ahead as the obvious answer (see the GeForce 6 Series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD as a reference point). I know that the ATI card is a better choice with my editing suite and with some of my tools, but the GT is faster at about everything else.
IF I had spare time to do some gaming, the GT is faster. But as a footnote, I do not exceed 1280x1024 on display resolution, so once well above 30 fps, I don't notice a difference. Must be because I am old (in comparison to the average AT poster.)
In order of most use:
Gaming
Photo Editing
Video Editing
How do you explain the 125 MHz difference in the core speed? The X800 tops the 6800 GT in that respect, but how is that overcome?
At $400, 6800GT > X800P. Forget core speed or other technical details, just look at the benchmarks. The GT is just faster overall than the Pro. Whether this is due to its 16-pipe core, its superior pure pixel shader performance, or its 10% faster RAM is really irrelevant when the majority of benchmarks put it on top. Whether it's clocked slower or has a bigger core really has no bearing on its desirability as a gaming card. You may find power draw, heat production, and fan noise important issues, though, in which case just read as many reviews as you can to see which company puts out a reasonably quiet version.
Of course, there are always catches. Pros may sell for less than GTs, muddling the price/performance comparison. nV offer faster pure pixel shader performance, but ATi may be faster in mixed shader+texturing performance, and offers (perhaps superfluously) faster vertex shader performance. ATi offers higher (playable MS)AA modes, whereas nV offers an 8x mode for older games. nV is green, and ATi is red. (I suppose one leg up ATi has on nV is their DVI-component adapter, though I'm not sure how big of an improvement that is over S-video.)
$400 video cards are sold for gaming, not photo or video editing (if that's the case, then head for Matrox). I'm pretty sure a $100 card will serve you as well in Photoshop or Aavid, so the main criterion here is which card is better at gaming. The GT appears to hold a slight but noticable performance lead, thus it's the consensus choice of most ATers.
Of course, there are always catches. Pros may sell for less than GTs, muddling the price/performance comparison. nV offer faster pure pixel shader performance, but ATi may be faster in mixed shader+texturing performance, and offers (perhaps superfluously) faster vertex shader performance. ATi offers higher (playable MS)AA modes, whereas nV offers an 8x mode for older games. nV is green, and ATi is red.
(I suppose one leg up ATi has on nV is their DVI-component adapter, though I'm not sure how big of an improvement that is over S-video.)$400 video cards are sold for gaming, not photo or video editing (if that's the case, then head for Matrox). I'm pretty sure a $100 card will serve you as well in Photoshop or Aavid, so the main criterion here is which card is better at gaming. The GT appears to hold a slight but noticable performance lead, thus it's the consensus choice of most ATers.
My thoughts exactly. Same card as the Ultra with lower speeds, unlike the x800 pro that has less pipelines as well.
gsellis
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Originally posted by: lolgloin
Originally posted by: gsellis
What is your friend going to use it for? There are some situations where the obvious answer is not always correct. If he is doing video editing, the line blurs and the ATI card may actually push ahead as the obvious answer (see the GeForce 6 Series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD as a reference point). I know that the ATI card is a better choice with my editing suite and with some of my tools, but the GT is faster at about everything else.
IF I had spare time to do some gaming, the GT is faster. But as a footnote, I do not exceed 1280x1024 on display resolution, so once well above 30 fps, I don't notice a difference. Must be because I am old (in comparison to the average AT poster.)
In order of most use:
Gaming
Photo Editing
Video Editing
The GT then.
Read Pete's thread too (as you probably already have done.)
gsellis
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Nick - Here is the example of where the ATI X800Pro may be better than the 6800GT.
Pinnacle Liquid Edition 6 as used for HDV 1080i editing is recommended to be a 256MB card and PCI-e is preferred for the bandwidth. The X800 fits the bill very well. Yep, a special case, but here the X800P may actually exceed the 6800GT (the PCI-e/AGP bridge may actually be an issue here where it is not for any other application on the market). No benchies yet to say one way or the other. GPU effects use Direct3D to do effects and renders that would use memory/GPU/bandwidth for the best benefit. Still no idea if there are any benefits from the encode/decode portions of the cards, but the early reports on the 1st gen 6800s are not good on that front. Not sure the apps benefit from it anyway.
Now, if they would deliver my copy that I ordered (of LE6). Don't have any 1080i content yet, but the new backup option and multicam option are going to suit me very well on the project I am doing. In general, Liquid does much better with ATI than nVidia. Might be because of the partnership that they do to create some capture hardware...
Pinnacle PDF on LE6
Pinnacle Liquid Edition 6 as used for HDV 1080i editing is recommended to be a 256MB card and PCI-e is preferred for the bandwidth. The X800 fits the bill very well. Yep, a special case, but here the X800P may actually exceed the 6800GT (the PCI-e/AGP bridge may actually be an issue here where it is not for any other application on the market). No benchies yet to say one way or the other. GPU effects use Direct3D to do effects and renders that would use memory/GPU/bandwidth for the best benefit. Still no idea if there are any benefits from the encode/decode portions of the cards, but the early reports on the 1st gen 6800s are not good on that front. Not sure the apps benefit from it anyway.
Now, if they would deliver my copy that I ordered (of LE6). Don't have any 1080i content yet, but the new backup option and multicam option are going to suit me very well on the project I am doing. In general, Liquid does much better with ATI than nVidia. Might be because of the partnership that they do to create some capture hardware...
Pinnacle PDF on LE6
this has been beaten to death, and everybody always points out every benchmark ever done to show which one is better then which one, but here is my opinion, and it's the opinion of someone that owns both, a bfg 6800gt and an ati x800pro
When it comes to doom, it looks like the 6800 does better, when i benchmarked the two, the 6800 got 77 fps and the x800 62-66. My eyes couldn't really discern the differnce,and both were played at the same resolution with the same settings. I'm sure the 6800 edged itout, but they both play doom 3 very well.
The 6800 runs a lot warmer then the x800 during gameplay, and during idle.
Farcry, I did not benchmark them, but both play FarCry well. Well enough to turn up all the settings and enjoy it.
Battlefront, they both do well, but i have a 5600 that plays battlefront almost as well.
So who wins? I like the fact that if i leave both on all day in my office and close the window and door, when i come back, the ATI is running 20 degrees cooler at idle.
The ATI draws less power. Thats cool.
The 6800gt has all kinds of new bells and whistles like new features to make it futureproof. Well, when a game comes out that utilizes these features, if it's next yeari'll have probably upgraded by then.
The 6800 touted it's new video processor when it came out, and from everything i read, it doesn't work.
While the x800 only touted performance gains and such, all the features they promised seem to work, so I believe when it came to the x800, i got what i paid for. I've heard the argument they cripled it by taking away 4 pipelines. Well, they sold it and on the box it says there is only 12 pipelines. It's not like they sold it to me and told me it had 16 to only find out 12 work.
I've noticed in the last month, a lot of driver updates (official) have been coming from ati, but the latest nvidia driver is july (official).
So, Ilike the x800 a little more overall. They are both good cards, but the x800pro is a god performer thats just a little more polished.
Oh, and the one thing that always gets me, half the opinions of people on the internet on which is better are based soley off of benchmarks, not always the opinions of people who actually have either card.
I've read where people say the 680gt spanks the x800.... It's good for a laugh.
When it comes to doom, it looks like the 6800 does better, when i benchmarked the two, the 6800 got 77 fps and the x800 62-66. My eyes couldn't really discern the differnce,and both were played at the same resolution with the same settings. I'm sure the 6800 edged itout, but they both play doom 3 very well.
The 6800 runs a lot warmer then the x800 during gameplay, and during idle.
Farcry, I did not benchmark them, but both play FarCry well. Well enough to turn up all the settings and enjoy it.
Battlefront, they both do well, but i have a 5600 that plays battlefront almost as well.
So who wins? I like the fact that if i leave both on all day in my office and close the window and door, when i come back, the ATI is running 20 degrees cooler at idle.
The ATI draws less power. Thats cool.
The 6800gt has all kinds of new bells and whistles like new features to make it futureproof. Well, when a game comes out that utilizes these features, if it's next yeari'll have probably upgraded by then.
The 6800 touted it's new video processor when it came out, and from everything i read, it doesn't work.
While the x800 only touted performance gains and such, all the features they promised seem to work, so I believe when it came to the x800, i got what i paid for. I've heard the argument they cripled it by taking away 4 pipelines. Well, they sold it and on the box it says there is only 12 pipelines. It's not like they sold it to me and told me it had 16 to only find out 12 work.
I've noticed in the last month, a lot of driver updates (official) have been coming from ati, but the latest nvidia driver is july (official).
So, Ilike the x800 a little more overall. They are both good cards, but the x800pro is a god performer thats just a little more polished.
Oh, and the one thing that always gets me, half the opinions of people on the internet on which is better are based soley off of benchmarks, not always the opinions of people who actually have either card.
I've read where people say the 680gt spanks the x800.... It's good for a laugh.
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Those numbers don't synch with any benchmark comparisons between the cards being discussed that I've ever seen. How did you get the pro so close to a GT in D3?
nothing special. Ironic thing now is i switched the 6800 to my amd 64 box, and put the x800pro in my intel box, and for some reason the 680gt won't break 66 on the same settings.
but i did not see what the amd64 did with the x800pro, my guess it would have probably been lower.
I did the tests all on an intel 3.2c w1 gig 3200 ram. I didn't think anything special of the numbers, just glad they were better then my previous cards.
Oh, i went and looked for the paper where i wrote down the numbers, I edited my post, sorry. it was around 77 for my gt, and 62 for my x800 although i got different numbers at different times so i put a range. my bad.
still, my in game experience with both is very similar.
And i can't wait for HL2, and i'm sure i will enjoy playing it on both as well.
but i did not see what the amd64 did with the x800pro, my guess it would have probably been lower.
I did the tests all on an intel 3.2c w1 gig 3200 ram. I didn't think anything special of the numbers, just glad they were better then my previous cards.
Oh, i went and looked for the paper where i wrote down the numbers, I edited my post, sorry. it was around 77 for my gt, and 62 for my x800 although i got different numbers at different times so i put a range. my bad.
still, my in game experience with both is very similar.
And i can't wait for HL2, and i'm sure i will enjoy playing it on both as well.
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Those numbers don't synch with any benchmark comparisons between the cards being discussed that I've ever seen. How did you get the pro so close to a GT in D3?
I wonder at that too ? And what resolution are we talking ? I get 62fps on timedemo demo1 at 1600x1200 , everything on but no vsync and no aa, with vsync I get 53 or something like that at 1600x1200, vsync, 2xaa I get 45 or something along those lines and thats what I play d3 at.
i don't play at 1600x1200 or run benchmarks at that high. i run at 1280 x 1024 which is max resolution of my monitor. no vsync or aa on either.
Most people peg the GT a little faster but even then the difference overall isn?t huge. So price and other can factors come into play. Since the Q was which is ?better? and speed is only one factor in the equation.
The 6800 has some well documented IQ problems with AA and texture aliasing. So one can easily say the X800pro is a ?better? card if you value IQ.
The 6800 has some well documented IQ problems with AA and texture aliasing. So one can easily say the X800pro is a ?better? card if you value IQ.
Alright, I'm looking for this to last about 2 years.
Here is what its friends will look like:
CHAINTECH nForce3 250 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket 754 Athlon 64 CPU, Model "VNF3-250"
AMD Athlon 64 3200+
So, I'm hoping that it will last for a good two years, maybe with some overclocking later on if I need it, and I will predominantly be gaming with it. I don't like dealing with noise/heat issues, so if the 6800GT is THAT much of a problem in those areas, please say so.
Thanks.
Here is what its friends will look like:
CHAINTECH nForce3 250 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket 754 Athlon 64 CPU, Model "VNF3-250"
AMD Athlon 64 3200+
So, I'm hoping that it will last for a good two years, maybe with some overclocking later on if I need it, and I will predominantly be gaming with it. I don't like dealing with noise/heat issues, so if the 6800GT is THAT much of a problem in those areas, please say so.
Thanks.
for the tenth time, download rivatuner, set AA to 4S, and LOD to 0.3, problem solved, now stop bringing it up in every thread or I'll point to the thread where the x800 is having the same IQ issue.
SonicIce
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Man, my friends dont know the first thing about videocards.
Friend: "Help! My games are running very poorly!"
Me: "Which videocard do you have?"
Friend: "Uh, how do I check?"
Me: "Display properties etc etc"
Friend: "It says Intel Integrated Extreme Graphics, is that good?"
Friend: "Help! My games are running very poorly!"
Me: "Which videocard do you have?"
Friend: "Uh, how do I check?"
Me: "Display properties etc etc"
Friend: "It says Intel Integrated Extreme Graphics, is that good?"
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