POLL! what is the better all around video card

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: RedComet87
Look, sure, nvidia performs better on 3dmark (by 900 pts, wow) but really you have to take into account the company, and the market. First, the company, nvidia just cant compete with ati anymore, look what they had to do just to get close to the x800 xt, they over clocked the gt and stuck a huge fan on it to cool it off. Thats not the kind of company I want in my computer. Second, the market, ati controls the majority of the video card market, or it will in the near future. And video game makers know this. Games are being released with special ATI specific upgrades and coding features to better suit their video cards. Ex. Half-life 2 (November! yay!!)


Also, you have to remember, the first time doom3 was at e3 they asked ati and nvidia to give their best video cards to run the game. Ati, they gave them the beta version of the 9700, not modded, just the way it was. Nvidia gave id a Liquid Nitrogen cooled video card! They had to over clock their card so much that water cooling wasnt even enough.

In this poll, nvidia might have the upper hand just in terms of benchmarks, but ati is better quality, better game support, and better looks.

and btw. that last one is personal opinion

all this coming from the guy saying adding a stick of ram bumped his 3dmark03 score 2000 points...:thumbsdown:

 

[RedComet87]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: RedComet87
Look, sure, nvidia performs better on 3dmark (by 900 pts, wow) but really you have to take into account the company, and the market. First, the company, nvidia just cant compete with ati anymore, look what they had to do just to get close to the x800 xt, they over clocked the gt and stuck a huge fan on it to cool it off. Thats not the kind of company I want in my computer. Second, the market, ati controls the majority of the video card market, or it will in the near future. And video game makers know this. Games are being released with special ATI specific upgrades and coding features to better suit their video cards. Ex. Half-life 2 (November! yay!!)


Also, you have to remember, the first time doom3 was at e3 they asked ati and nvidia to give their best video cards to run the game. Ati, they gave them the beta version of the 9700, not modded, just the way it was. Nvidia gave id a Liquid Nitrogen cooled video card! They had to over clock their card so much that water cooling wasnt even enough.

In this poll, nvidia might have the upper hand just in terms of benchmarks, but ati is better quality, better game support, and better looks.

and btw. that last one is personal opinion

all this coming from the guy saying adding a stick of ram bumped his 3dmark03 score 2000 points...:thumbsdown:

All this from someone who got a D in a high school level C++ class

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: RedComet87

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: RedComet87
Look, sure, nvidia performs better on 3dmark (by 900 pts, wow) but really you have to take into account the company, and the market. First, the company, nvidia just cant compete with ati anymore, look what they had to do just to get close to the x800 xt, they over clocked the gt and stuck a huge fan on it to cool it off. Thats not the kind of company I want in my computer. Second, the market, ati controls the majority of the video card market, or it will in the near future. And video game makers know this. Games are being released with special ATI specific upgrades and coding features to better suit their video cards. Ex. Half-life 2 (November! yay!!)


Also, you have to remember, the first time doom3 was at e3 they asked ati and nvidia to give their best video cards to run the game. Ati, they gave them the beta version of the 9700, not modded, just the way it was. Nvidia gave id a Liquid Nitrogen cooled video card! They had to over clock their card so much that water cooling wasnt even enough.

In this poll, nvidia might have the upper hand just in terms of benchmarks, but ati is better quality, better game support, and better looks.

and btw. that last one is personal opinion

all this coming from the guy saying adding a stick of ram bumped his 3dmark03 score 2000 points...:thumbsdown:

All this from someone who got a D in a high school level C++ class

a D? i got a B+. want my report card mother? BTW, 2000 points is IMPOSSIBLE. going from 512-1024 RAM does NOT yeild 2000 points.

 

[lolgloin]

Let's keep this non-personal :roll:

 

[Gamingphreek]

Who the hell is feeding you this information. The owner of ATI!?!?

#1. Nvidia doesn't win in the benchmarks they lose.

#2. Cant compete with ATI anymore huh? Well i guess we all have to toss our shiny new Geforce 6 series cards out the window because in a few benches ATI scores a couple frames higher. Shame huh?
Nvidia cards ARE competing with ATI cards and IMO have a slight lead (VERY SLIGHT).

#3. Well last time i checked Nvidia still has a slight lead in consumer market. I wont even go to Workstation/ CAD Market.

#4. Do tell what all these ATI specific upgrades and coding this is. Also HL2 doesn't do anything different on ATI cards than Nvidia cars, its all the same (in a sense) code. Please name some of these upgrades, IIRC Nvidia has SM3 (debatable on its worth), also Nvidia can run in an Xx0 mode when doing Z stencil ops wheras ATI cannot and that stuff. Tell me what you mean (3dc (no games), Temporal AA (useless but need VSYNC)

#5. Where the hell did you hear that Nvidia gave them a Liquid Nitrogen Cooled Video Card. Nvidia only makes reference cards, so i doubt that that would happen. Also IIRC the E3 Doom III demo was out AFTER the 9700 NV30 launch so why they would send an engineering beta would be beyond me. I would also venture to think that Nvidia winning in the DIII benchmarks on their lowest clocked card would be a prime example.

#6. Do tell us about this better quality. No really, you cant even compare them as Nvidia doesn't make their own boards. Also the R400 is the same architecture as R300 dunno where the quality is in that. Better game support, PLEASE. I want examples, also take a look at Nvidias linux drivers which are worlds ahead of ATI's. Better looks huh, dunno how that is. Maybe your ATI card displays something everyone else is missing. Or maybe you got the super duper extreme ultra platinum model .

You definately need to think before you post crap like that!

I am not saying ATI is bad by anymeans they are an awesome card company and i would buy from them if there cards were better. Same goes for Nvidia.

-Kevin

 

[RedComet87]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: RedComet87

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: RedComet87
Look, sure, nvidia performs better on 3dmark (by 900 pts, wow) but really you have to take into account the company, and the market. First, the company, nvidia just cant compete with ati anymore, look what they had to do just to get close to the x800 xt, they over clocked the gt and stuck a huge fan on it to cool it off. Thats not the kind of company I want in my computer. Second, the market, ati controls the majority of the video card market, or it will in the near future. And video game makers know this. Games are being released with special ATI specific upgrades and coding features to better suit their video cards. Ex. Half-life 2 (November! yay!!)


Also, you have to remember, the first time doom3 was at e3 they asked ati and nvidia to give their best video cards to run the game. Ati, they gave them the beta version of the 9700, not modded, just the way it was. Nvidia gave id a Liquid Nitrogen cooled video card! They had to over clock their card so much that water cooling wasnt even enough.

In this poll, nvidia might have the upper hand just in terms of benchmarks, but ati is better quality, better game support, and better looks.

and btw. that last one is personal opinion

all this coming from the guy saying adding a stick of ram bumped his 3dmark03 score 2000 points...:thumbsdown:

All this from someone who got a D in a high school level C++ class

a D? i got a B+. want my report card mother?

I would like to see a posted report card. Cause either you were lying to me a few days after your graduation, or now your lying to everyone on the board. And I was in your class and by my own investigation I saw a D

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: RedComet87

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: RedComet87

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: RedComet87
Look, sure, nvidia performs better on 3dmark (by 900 pts, wow) but really you have to take into account the company, and the market. First, the company, nvidia just cant compete with ati anymore, look what they had to do just to get close to the x800 xt, they over clocked the gt and stuck a huge fan on it to cool it off. Thats not the kind of company I want in my computer. Second, the market, ati controls the majority of the video card market, or it will in the near future. And video game makers know this. Games are being released with special ATI specific upgrades and coding features to better suit their video cards. Ex. Half-life 2 (November! yay!!)


Also, you have to remember, the first time doom3 was at e3 they asked ati and nvidia to give their best video cards to run the game. Ati, they gave them the beta version of the 9700, not modded, just the way it was. Nvidia gave id a Liquid Nitrogen cooled video card! They had to over clock their card so much that water cooling wasnt even enough.

In this poll, nvidia might have the upper hand just in terms of benchmarks, but ati is better quality, better game support, and better looks.

and btw. that last one is personal opinion

all this coming from the guy saying adding a stick of ram bumped his 3dmark03 score 2000 points...:thumbsdown:

All this from someone who got a D in a high school level C++ class

a D? i got a B+. want my report card mother?

I would like to see a posted report card. Cause either you were lying to me a few days after your graduation, or now your lying to everyone on the board. And I was in your class and by my own investigation I saw a D

well i wish i had it on me, but i got a B+ in there...oh by the way, please answer your 2000 point jump claim. thats just to funny to let slip by.

 

[RedComet87]

In order to do that I would have to remove my ram, and run the test. And frankly, i dont care whether it jives with you or not. Why dont you spend some energy and construct a worthwhile retort like gamingphreek instead of trying to ruin my 'internet-ego' like some mindless politician.

 

[jiffylube1024]

6800GT is faster. Was this thread totally necessary?

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: RedComet87
In order to do that I would have to remove my ram, and run the test. And frankly, i dont care whether it jives with you or not. Why dont you spend some energy and construct a worthwhile retort like gamingphreek instead of trying to ruin my 'internet-ego' like some mindless politician.

your right. it doesnt jive with me, because its IMPOSSIBLE.

oh and you say ATI controls most of the video card market? actually, intel does

and speaking of gamingphreek, how 'bout you respond to his post?

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
6800GT is faster. Was this thread totally necessary?

yes. see redcomet87's posts.

 

[lolgloin]

Back on topic, how much "better" is the 6800 GT than the X800 Pro?

 

[RedComet87]

because frankly, all the facts that I pulled out of my head from past memories were owned by him I have nothing more to add to this debate because I do not want to do any research. I was just going off what I read in reviews and such from PC gamer and PC Gamming World. btw, I did read about the nitrion cooled card, I specifically remember it in a mag, whether it was for doom3 or hl2 im not sure... If you would like to add something ill gladly read your information, but at this moment you havnt contributed anything to here except the position statement. Do you do that for all your posts here? Cause it seems like you are just fluff in this thread.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: RedComet87
Look, sure, nvidia performs better on 3dmark (by 900 pts, wow) but really you have to take into account the company, and the market.

Why is that Red Comet? Unless nVidia GPUs are made by slave labor, why should we care?

First, the company, nvidia just cant compete with ati anymore, look what they had to do just to get close to the x800 xt, they over clocked the gt and stuck a huge fan on it to cool it off.

It would have been much better if they gave us the same chip for the third calendar year straight, and forgot about Intel's current DX9 standard altogether, eh?

Thats not the kind of company I want in my computer.

Those..those...big fan bastiges! How dare they!
You use illicit substances don't you, Red Comet?

Second, the market, ati controls the majority of the video card market, or it will in the near future.

I really doubt that. You didn't happen to see the poll of "who has what card" a few days ago? Last I looked, 9 X800Pros/57 6800GTs. As ATI hasn't had anything to compete with the 6800NU, they aren't selling anything at the $300 price point since June. X800Pros have been scarce, and 6800GTs plentiful and better performing? You think there are more X800Pros sold than GTs? PEs and Ultras are too scarce to impact the equation.

And video game makers know this. Games are being released with special ATI specific upgrades and coding features to better suit their video cards. Ex. Half-life 2 (November! yay!!)

Wow. Point me at a game with the GITG logo on it? nVidia has had developer relationships locked up tight for many years. Gabe is about the only one who returns ATIs calls. Look at nVidia's testimonial page and read the list of every major developer telling you why they use a nV40.

Also, you have to remember, the first time doom3 was at e3 they asked ati and nvidia to give their best video cards to run the game. Ati, they gave them the beta version of the 9700, not modded, just the way it was. Nvidia gave id a Liquid Nitrogen cooled video card! They had to over clock their card so much that water cooling wasnt even enough.

Errr, so what? When Doom3 came out and it was benching as fast on nVidia's $300 mid range card as ATIs $500 OCd flagship, I think we know who won this? :roll:

In this poll, nvidia might have the upper hand just in terms of benchmarks, but ati is better quality, better game support, and better looks.

What is it you do at ATI again?

and btw. that last one is personal opinion

No!!! I don't believe you.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: lolgloin
Back on topic, how much "better" is the 6800 GT than the X800 Pro?

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that basically sums it up. the 6800GT wins MOST games. plus the extra pipes and the SM3 support...i think it makes for a more futureproof(a pun when talking about computers ) video card.

 

[lolgloin]

Could you tell me more about what SM3 actually does? Specifically to my gaming needs, how will it help my performance in game?

 

[CraigRT]

lets just clarify this.. 2000 point increase by upping RAM from 512 to 1024 is completely impossible. Period... no ifs ands or buts! Thank you for reading.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: lolgloin
Could you tell me more about what SM3 actually does? Specifically to my gaming needs, how will it help my performance in game?

Sure.
With SM3, games look like Doom3, all smooth and realistic. Without it, they look like Doom1, all pixellated and blocky. :roll:

As you're asking the question, I assume you know SM3 is being used about as much as 3dc at this point in time.

 

[lolgloin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: lolgloin
Could you tell me more about what SM3 actually does? Specifically to my gaming needs, how will it help my performance in game?

Sure.
With SM3, games look like Doom3, all smooth and realistic. Without it, they look like Doom1, all pixellated and blocky. :roll:

As you're asking the question, I assume you know SM3 is being used about as much as 3dc at this point in time.

Thank you and yes.

 

[lolgloin]

Another question I have:

Could the optimal video card be different with different setups?

 

[Rage187]

6800gt, not even a question about it.

 

[videoclone]

6800GT VS X800Pro

Overall Faster card = 6800GT Win !!!
More future proof with features and Latest DX9c = 6800GT Win!!!
Single Slot single power card and low noise level = 6800GT & X800Pro both win!!!


Overclocking Value for money!!!

6800GT overclocks to 6800Ultra level's very easy.

X800Pro requires modding ( software being safer ) to unlock extra 4 pipelines and this doesn?t always work. but not every 6800GT can overclock to 400Mhz core so its also a win for both 6800GT and X800Pro

At the end of the day the 6800GT is the better card and will only get better with each new game made using PS3.0 and new driver release.

X800Pro wont get allot from drivers as its the same core as a 9800Pro but with extra speed. no extra features.

 

[JBT]

Originally posted by: Rage187
6800gt, not even a question about it.

I can't believe this questiosn has to be asked for the millionth time around here.

 

[Mik3y]

Originally posted by: CraigRT
lets just clarify this.. 2000 point increase by upping RAM from 512 to 1024 is completely impossible. Period... no ifs ands or buts! Thank you for reading.

agreed.

redcomet, either you're just really n00b or you're lying out of your ass, do me a favor and please dont turn into the next FelixDeKat.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: RedComet87

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: RedComet87
Look, sure, nvidia performs better on 3dmark (by 900 pts, wow) but really you have to take into account the company, and the market. First, the company, nvidia just cant compete with ati anymore, look what they had to do just to get close to the x800 xt, they over clocked the gt and stuck a huge fan on it to cool it off. Thats not the kind of company I want in my computer. Second, the market, ati controls the majority of the video card market, or it will in the near future. And video game makers know this. Games are being released with special ATI specific upgrades and coding features to better suit their video cards. Ex. Half-life 2 (November! yay!!)


Also, you have to remember, the first time doom3 was at e3 they asked ati and nvidia to give their best video cards to run the game. Ati, they gave them the beta version of the 9700, not modded, just the way it was. Nvidia gave id a Liquid Nitrogen cooled video card! They had to over clock their card so much that water cooling wasnt even enough.

In this poll, nvidia might have the upper hand just in terms of benchmarks, but ati is better quality, better game support, and better looks.

and btw. that last one is personal opinion

OMG, STFU

you obviously dont know what you are talking about

http://www.digit-life.com/arti...t/3dmarket2003-2q.html

yea, cause we all know russia is the vid card king. lol

NVIDIA has been investing into the Russian market for a number of years and these figures reflect our efforts and those of our partners in the region. Furthermore, NVIDIA has also been the first company to recognize the growing importance of the enormous talent within the Russian game development community.

also,

Apart from information we receive from our readers we've got some interesting data from Russian distributors.

And on top of that, if youd read your data, 80% of the market has cards worth less then $60, ATI's good cards start in the hundreds. which only 17% can seem to afford in russia. They must still be using tech from 1999.

I hope your not from russia, oops, no i dont

i was using that example because russia is one of the fastest growing countries when it comes to demand in computers

anyway, if you want to look at US figures:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11054

and this was BEFORE the 6800 series came out to pounce of ATI sales. ATi gained market share, but they still have a nice lead and by the end of Q4, the lead will be bigger

also, just for kicks, nvida kicks ass in the professional video card market

http://www.pluginz.com/news/1150