Poll: What if Israel attacks Iran's nuclear sites today...

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Probably if they attacked the reactors they would destroy or severely damage them.

Israel has one of the best, if not THE best airforces on the planet. If they decided to do it they'd probably get the job done.

 

[The Green Bean]

I have a right to believe whatever I want to. No force of this world will be able to stop me or do anything to me. No internatial law says im wrong. So why? what right do you have to call me misguided?? I request you stare at the mirror for some time, and you will find out much that you have only seen in others. Americans are racists for treating "terrorists" like pigs at guantanomo and IRAQ. If they are the best f the world, if the are the most just, then WHY??? Why do they humiliate others??? You know nothing of this world! The world is not fair and never will be. Some may claim that they are the most rightous, but infact they are arrogant and have never had a taste of real life.

Some may feel right to call muslims terrorists. Then why?? Why is it wrong to label all jews as Sharon? Why?? I ask why??? Why is it wrong for some to call all americans advocates of the torture, rape, humiliation and murder??

Its just to easy too feel that my beleifs make me a "terrorist" , a murderer, a killer. But then I ask why??? why is it hard for us to beleive that all americans are not murderers?? Murderers of children killed by the Israeli army in "self-defense"

If you ask a couple of your freinds who may have visited the muslim world about how they were treated there? No doubt like royatly. But then what do we get in return? Hate! Just because someone bombed your country doesnt mean you have to start hating the entire race? does it? Its against american "values"

Do you know the reson"S" for the hatred of Israel??? You say that if Israel was hated no longer, there would be no need for any support. Why is it that Israel is the most hated coutry? Becuase it is racist! They kill inncoent Palestenian children, make their elderly suffer. And the reason? Becase they donot want to withdraw from Palestenian territory. They treat Palestenians with less respect than dogs. The primary reason for the hatred of America is their support for Israel, and now what is happening in IRAQ. If you go on the streets of Karachi, and ask them what they hate most about america, they will say that their unfair support for Israel. If the americans were so rightous and are not racists, I ask why?? Why do they support Israel. Why do they hate all muslims even though most have peaceful intentions? Why? Are all germans hated because of what the Naziz did? And do you have any idea from where these terrorists orriginated? Afghanistan. The place which America abandoned long. They suffered. They US od A betrayed them. Left them like wounded men layed on a street to die. Why then? Why then does the US of A label all muslims as terrorists.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

what better way to keep the kids from rising up than to allow the fundamentalist mullahs crack down on their own people, while leaving us with nothing we can do to help, because the Iranians have nuclear weapons.

Gee, then maybe we'd have to mind our OWN business for a change! BTW, when our buddy the shah was kicking the asses of his own people we did NOTHING.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: hatim
I have a right to believe whatever I want to. No force of this world will be able to stop me or do anything to me. No internatial law says im wrong. So why? what right do you have to call me misguided??

I think you answered your own question in your first sentance.

 

[heartsurgeon]

bombs away i say!!

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: SilentZero
Israel attacking iranian nuclear sites would only destabilize the region, and draw more condemnation from western and european countries, which israel relies upon. It would be political suicide!

they've done it before, and hopefully they'll do it again.

without jew support, the american econemy would collapse. All the major businesses are run by jews. They, are the richest people in thw world let alone america.

this is just a ploy to get someone to call you a bunch of Nazis isn't it? Not going to happen, but you should consider that such rhetoric has been used many times in the past decade to justify the murder of Israeli children and American civilians.

Jews are just like any other group in society, they're not some "secret" order bent on world domination.

except screwing over bobby fisher... man are they hell bent on that! When it comes to nuts-o world-chess-champions.. well the World Jewery Council can't be trusted with'm

take a big risk and make peace with the muslim world.

Muslim world isn't even at peace with itself. Wahbism is devil worship in carnet, and every wabist must be killed.

I have a right to believe whatever I want to

God gave you free will to believe that bobby fisher is being screwed over by the world jewery council if you like... but that doesn't change how sane you are.

....Alien invaders would be good for us dont you think

not t?ll terrorism and asteroids have been taken care of.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

For Israel to do this, well, i think it's just a matter of time, unfortunately no one can do anything about it, with the US as your best buddy you can do pretty much whatever you like.

yep.

if Iran has nuclear capabilities then the revolution can never come.

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

what better way to keep the kids from rising up than to allow the fundamentalist mullahs crack down on their own people, while leaving us with nothing we can do to help, because the Iranians have nuclear weapons.

Gee, then maybe we'd have to mind our OWN business for a change! BTW, when our buddy the shah was kicking the asses of his own people we did NOTHING.

You must be unaware that we couldn't interfere with Iran lest the Russians get involved.

Otherwise: the US military should only be used to extend US interests. If it's not in US interest to keep a mad-man from killing 2 million of his people, then why would we suffer the death of one American?

It's heartless, I know, and not how I would like things done.. But it's the way the world works.

Since Israel is the only dangerous nuclear armed nation in the region, wouldn't it be better to " take out" the Israeli facilities?

they do what the US says; if Iran would, then their wouldn't be to much of a problem.

as it is Israel is a US protectorate and we'd respond to an attack on Israel like it was an attack on our own soil... look at all the people trying to kill of the Jews.. i don't believe this man... if for nothing but the righteousness of WW2.

Iran has every right as a soveriegn nation to have a nuclear option, just like we do

no nation has any rights at all, only those that their military can afford them on the world stage. Or do you think that we can all play patty cake in the UN building in New York while Middle Eastern fundamentalists blow the world to hell?

both sides are run by fanatic

NO. the Israelis allow Muslems to be part of their country; the Palestinians are required by HOLY-fatwa to kill all Jews.

there is slight difference.

 

[HardWarrior]

"no nation has any rights at all, only those that their military can afford them on the world stage. Or do you think that we can all play patty cake in the UN building in New York while Middle Eastern fundamentalists blow the world to hell?"

I can't tell what this has to do with each nation having an inherent right to self-defense. The US says it has that right, all the time. How can America believe this, while DEMANDING that others disarm, without us looking like a bunch of whiny, hypocritical punk-asses? Or does that matter to you?

Nukes for any country that can afford them is the only way to go.

 

[CWRMadcat]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
"no nation has any rights at all, only those that their military can afford them on the world stage. Or do you think that we can all play patty cake in the UN building in New York while Middle Eastern fundamentalists blow the world to hell?"

I can't tell what this has to do with each nation having an inherent right to self-defense. The US says it has that right, all the time. How can America believe this, while DEMANDING that others disarm, without us looking like a bunch of whiny, hypocritical punk-asses? Or does that matter to you?

Nukes for any country that can afford them is the only way to go.

I really don't want to see the entire Middle East start arming itself with nukes. Given that most of these countries can't even control terrorist activities within their own borders, allowing them to have nukes would be a mistake.

 

[CWRMadcat]

Originally posted by: hatim

The world is not fair and never will be.

If you go on the streets of Karachi, and ask them what they hate most about america, they will say that their unfair support for Israel. If the americans were so rightous and are not racists, I ask why?? Why do they support Israel.

Do you smell the contradiction in here? As you say, the world isn't fair. Since you've acknowledged that, why does it matter that the US supports Israel? The world/life isn't fair.

If you ask a couple of your freinds who may have visited the muslim world about how they were treated there? No doubt like royatly. But then what do we get in return? Hate!

I'm sure Nick Berg would beg to differ.

Do you know the reson"S" for the hatred of Israel??? You say that if Israel was hated no longer, there would be no need for any support. Why is it that Israel is the most hated coutry? Becuase it is racist! They kill inncoent Palestenian children, make their elderly suffer. And the reason? Becase they donot want to withdraw from Palestenian territory. They treat Palestenians with less respect than dogs.

When arabs/muslims learn to treat others with the same respect they desire, then you have a platform to stand on.



Sudan Ethnic Cleansing


The Sudanese conflict isn't as high profile as the israeli/palestinian conflict, though it should be. We're talking about millions of black Africans being liquidated by a muslim government.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: CWRMadcat

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
"no nation has any rights at all, only those that their military can afford them on the world stage. Or do you think that we can all play patty cake in the UN building in New York while Middle Eastern fundamentalists blow the world to hell?"

I can't tell what this has to do with each nation having an inherent right to self-defense. The US says it has that right, all the time. How can America believe this, while DEMANDING that others disarm, without us looking like a bunch of whiny, hypocritical punk-asses? Or does that matter to you?

Nukes for any country that can afford them is the only way to go.

I really don't want to see the entire Middle East start arming itself with nukes. Given that most of these countries can't even control terrorist activities within their own borders, allowing them to have nukes would be a mistake.

It's called parity, or if you're old enough too remember, MAD (mutually assured destruction). Contrary to what Bush is saying, nukes make sh1tty first strike weapons. You light one off without a damn good reason, you and everyone around you is dead of dying a horrible death PDQ.

And please, don't give me the "run by terrorists" and "madmen" thing. Most of the "Worse than Hitler!!!" crowd we've had, and have, relationships with all the time. At least TRY to look at it from the perspective of a country like Iran. They've seen us destroy Iraq on one hand (Iraq=no nukes), while we treat Korea to free food, fuel and god know what else (Korea=has nukes). Any country that DOESN'T want them is stupid.

 

[CWRMadcat]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: CWRMadcat

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
"no nation has any rights at all, only those that their military can afford them on the world stage. Or do you think that we can all play patty cake in the UN building in New York while Middle Eastern fundamentalists blow the world to hell?"

I can't tell what this has to do with each nation having an inherent right to self-defense. The US says it has that right, all the time. How can America believe this, while DEMANDING that others disarm, without us looking like a bunch of whiny, hypocritical punk-asses? Or does that matter to you?

Nukes for any country that can afford them is the only way to go.

I really don't want to see the entire Middle East start arming itself with nukes. Given that most of these countries can't even control terrorist activities within their own borders, allowing them to have nukes would be a mistake.

It's called parity, or if you're old enough too remember, MAD (mutually assured destruction). Contrary to what Bush is saying, nukes make sh1tty first strike weapons. You light one off without a damn good reason, you and everyone around you is dead of dying a horrible death PDQ.

And please, don't give me the "run by terrorists" and "madmen" thing. Most of the "Worse than Hitler!!!" crowd we've had, and have, relationships with all the time. At least TRY to look at it from the perspective of a country like Iran. They've seen us destroy Iraq on one hand (Iraq=no nukes), while we treat Korea to free food, fuel and god know what else (Korea=has nukes). Any country that DOESN'T want them is stupid.

Yes, countries have a reason to not fire off nukes due to MAD, but terrorists have no real national identity. I'm not quite sure if the same principles of MAD would apply to them as well.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: CWRMadcat

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: CWRMadcat

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
"no nation has any rights at all, only those that their military can afford them on the world stage. Or do you think that we can all play patty cake in the UN building in New York while Middle Eastern fundamentalists blow the world to hell?"

I can't tell what this has to do with each nation having an inherent right to self-defense. The US says it has that right, all the time. How can America believe this, while DEMANDING that others disarm, without us looking like a bunch of whiny, hypocritical punk-asses? Or does that matter to you?

Nukes for any country that can afford them is the only way to go.

I really don't want to see the entire Middle East start arming itself with nukes. Given that most of these countries can't even control terrorist activities within their own borders, allowing them to have nukes would be a mistake.

It's called parity, or if you're old enough too remember, MAD (mutually assured destruction). Contrary to what Bush is saying, nukes make sh1tty first strike weapons. You light one off without a damn good reason, you and everyone around you is dead of dying a horrible death PDQ.

And please, don't give me the "run by terrorists" and "madmen" thing. Most of the "Worse than Hitler!!!" crowd we've had, and have, relationships with all the time. At least TRY to look at it from the perspective of a country like Iran. They've seen us destroy Iraq on one hand (Iraq=no nukes), while we treat Korea to free food, fuel and god know what else (Korea=has nukes). Any country that DOESN'T want them is stupid.

Yes, countries have a reason to not fire off nukes due to MAD, but terrorists have no real national identity. I'm not quite sure if the same principles of MAD would apply to them as well.

Did I say the word "terrorist?" No, I didn't. I'm talking about countries, with borders AND a national identity. Terroists, meaning folks who can't afford huge armies and gold-plated military toys but still have scores to settle, have neither of these things.

 

[The Green Bean]

Muslim world isn't even at peace with itself. Wahbism is devil worship in carnet, and every wabist must be killed.

SAD..

Its true that wahabism is a scar on the face of Islam. This is a relatively new sect of Islam, and they have mis interpretted almost every aspect of the Quran. But that does not mean they should be killed.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: hatim
btw being atheists aint a crime. I wont go into details because I know none. The most serious crimes ar as follows.

1. Adultery - stoning
2. Killing - depends (execution/or the murdere can pay blood money to the familly of the deceased)
3. Putting false accusations
5. drinking
6. gambling

Back to the topic. Why in the world would America support Israel?? WHY?? By doing so, its spending money, and most imporatantly losing support of the world. Jews, are problably the richest community in the world. Im not being racist, but since these people have so close ties with Israel. that America would lose its "rich" top class of people if Israel support was stopped. AND AS I SAID B4, ITS MY OPINION.
my 0.02

So beingi atheist isn't a crime? Then why do you advocate their execution? For fun? Hatim's belief that atheists should be executed was expressed in another thread:

Killing of atheists; That also has conditions. Only if there is a muslim goverment in place. And that person is licing there. He is then given a choice if he wishes to convert. Not done in a inhumane manner like these terrorists do it. A proper exectution

A proper execution!

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: hatim
I have a right to believe whatever I want to. No force of this world will be able to stop me or do anything to me. No internatial law says im wrong. So why? what right do you have to call me misguided?? I request you stare at the mirror for some time, and you will find out much that you have only seen in others. Americans are racists for treating "terrorists" like pigs at guantanomo and IRAQ. If they are the best f the world, if the are the most just, then WHY??? Why do they humiliate others??? You know nothing of this world! The world is not fair and never will be. Some may claim that they are the most rightous, but infact they are arrogant and have never had a taste of real life.

Yup, the world is not fair and never will be, just like you said. Sure, Americans are racists even though we have probably have the most diverse and multicultural society in the world.

Some may feel right to call muslims terrorists. Then why?? Why is it wrong to label all jews as Sharon? Why?? I ask why??? Why is it wrong for some to call all americans advocates of the torture, rape, humiliation and murder??

Only whackos call all muslims terrorists. Whackos like yourself on the other side of the discussion.

Its just to easy too feel that my beleifs make me a "terrorist" , a murderer, a killer. But then I ask why??? why is it hard for us to beleive that all americans are not murderers?? Murderers of children killed by the Israeli army in "self-defense"

If you ask a couple of your freinds who may have visited the muslim world about how they were treated there? No doubt like royatly. But then what do we get in return? Hate! Just because someone bombed your country doesnt mean you have to start hating the entire race? does it? Its against american "values"

hahahaha, like royalty huh? The Arab world is incredibly racist and intolerant. You yourself would be considered undesirable and lower class (I believe you said you were from Pakistan in another thread). The US thrives upon diversity and multiculturalism.

I look Arab and never had anyone project any hate upon me in the US.

Do you know the reson"S" for the hatred of Israel??? You say that if Israel was hated no longer, there would be no need for any support. Why is it that Israel is the most hated coutry? Becuase it is racist! They kill inncoent Palestenian children, make their elderly suffer. And the reason? Becase they donot want to withdraw from Palestenian territory. They treat Palestenians with less respect than dogs. The primary reason for the hatred of America is their support for Israel, and now what is happening in IRAQ. If you go on the streets of Karachi, and ask them what they hate most about america, they will say that their unfair support for Israel. If the americans were so rightous and are not racists, I ask why?? Why do they support Israel. Why do they hate all muslims even though most have peaceful intentions? Why? Are all germans hated because of what the Naziz did? And do you have any idea from where these terrorists orriginated? Afghanistan. The place which America abandoned long. They suffered. They US od A betrayed them. Left them like wounded men layed on a street to die. Why then? Why then does the US of A label all muslims as terrorists.

The US doesn't label all muslims as terrorists.

It's pretty pathetic if the biggest issue in some countries is Israel. They serioiusly need to get their priorities in order. Sure you should care, but they seriously have some bigger problems that need to be their first priority.

 

[The Green Bean]

So u accept that if im wrong so are u?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: hatim
So u accept that if im wrong so are u?

are you talking to me?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: SilentZero
Israel attacking iranian nuclear sites would only destabilize the region, and draw more condemnation from western and european countries, which israel relies upon. It would be political suicide!

they've done it before, and hopefully they'll do it again.

without jew support, the american econemy would collapse. All the major businesses are run by jews. They, are the richest people in thw world let alone america.

this is just a ploy to get someone to call you a bunch of Nazis isn't it? Not going to happen, but you should consider that such rhetoric has been used many times in the past decade to justify the murder of Israeli children and American civilians.

Jews are just like any other group in society, they're not some "secret" order bent on world domination.

except screwing over bobby fisher... man are they hell bent on that! When it comes to nuts-o world-chess-champions.. well the World Jewery Council can't be trusted with'm

take a big risk and make peace with the muslim world.

Muslim world isn't even at peace with itself. Wahbism is devil worship in carnet, and every wabist must be killed.

I have a right to believe whatever I want to

God gave you free will to believe that bobby fisher is being screwed over by the world jewery council if you like... but that doesn't change how sane you are.

....Alien invaders would be good for us dont you think

not t?ll terrorism and asteroids have been taken care of.

You wish for war? You hope for death and destruction?

 

[The Green Bean]

Ameican society is pretty complex 😱

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: SilentZero
Israel attacking iranian nuclear sites would only destabilize the region, and draw more condemnation from western and european countries, which israel relies upon. It would be political suicide!

they've done it before, and hopefully they'll do it again.

without jew support, the american econemy would collapse. All the major businesses are run by jews. They, are the richest people in thw world let alone america.

this is just a ploy to get someone to call you a bunch of Nazis isn't it? Not going to happen, but you should consider that such rhetoric has been used many times in the past decade to justify the murder of Israeli children and American civilians.

Jews are just like any other group in society, they're not some "secret" order bent on world domination.

except screwing over bobby fisher... man are they hell bent on that! When it comes to nuts-o world-chess-champions.. well the World Jewery Council can't be trusted with'm

take a big risk and make peace with the muslim world.

Muslim world isn't even at peace with itself. Wahbism is devil worship in carnet, and every wabist must be killed.

I have a right to believe whatever I want to

God gave you free will to believe that bobby fisher is being screwed over by the world jewery council if you like... but that doesn't change how sane you are.

....Alien invaders would be good for us dont you think

not t?ll terrorism and asteroids have been taken care of.

You wish for war? You hope for death and destruction?

Their was no war last time, their was only heading off of death and mass destruction last time.

 

[Format C:]

Look for the truth hatim. I believe in you.