**POLL** WAR Success?

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
What makes you think that the Military phase is over yet?
There's no Iraqi Government representatives to unconditionally surrender.
Tommy Franks hasn't come out ans said " O.K. - Officially, it's over."
I haven't seen a fat lady sing.

Maybe the Iraqi Army has gone underground - like the Viet Cong did - to re-organize and fight on their terms.

Those that learn to run away, survive to fight another day.

So you want me to add "so far" to the end of it?

CkG

 

[ConclamoLudus]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
What makes you think that the Military phase is over yet?
There's no Iraqi Government representatives to unconditionally surrender.
Tommy Franks hasn't come out ans said " O.K. - Officially, it's over."
I haven't seen a fat lady sing.

Maybe the Iraqi Army has gone underground - like the Viet Cong did - to re-organize and fight on their terms.

Those that learn to run away, survive to fight another day.

Your right it is possible. I hope not though.

 

[jackschmittusa]

It depends on how much was budgeted to kill each Iraqi. The Pentagon refuses to add up the Iraqi dead, so maybe it cost $2M each to kill them. Such cost overruns might mean it was unsuccessful.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
What makes you think that the Military phase is over yet?
There's no Iraqi Government representatives to unconditionally surrender.
Tommy Franks hasn't come out ans said " O.K. - Officially, it's over."
I haven't seen a fat lady sing.

Maybe the Iraqi Army has gone underground - like the Viet Cong did - to re-organize and fight on their terms.

Those that learn to run away, survive to fight another day.

The fat lady's waiting in the wings warming up for her imminent entrance to center stage.

 

[Bleep]

The hand wringers had a field day the first time we took some combat casualites

You asked for non political responses and they you go and make one yourself, who are the hand wringers of which you speak?

Bleep

 

[Spyro]

This poll strikes me as being kinda useless.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bleep

The hand wringers had a field day the first time we took some combat casualites

You asked for non political responses and they you go and make one yourself, who are the hand wringers of which you speak?

Bleep

The ex-Military Generals who were on the TV giving interviews and such. They were the ones analyzing our tactics and giving their opinions on how the war was going.


CkG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Spyro
This poll strikes me as being kinda useless.

Then ignore it! :|

CkG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
What makes you think that the Military phase is over yet?
There's no Iraqi Government representatives to unconditionally surrender.
Tommy Franks hasn't come out ans said " O.K. - Officially, it's over."
I haven't seen a fat lady sing.

Maybe the Iraqi Army has gone underground - like the Viet Cong did - to re-organize and fight on their terms.

Those that learn to run away, survive to fight another day.

So you want me to add "so far" to the end of it?

CkG

Yep, that'd be my answer. Certainly the military action to date has been highly successful. The broader picture also looks good, but there are still some loose ends that could give us trouble. For example, although we got rid of Saddam's regime, we still need to replace it with something better. Otherwise, we may wind up back at square one. There are lots of ways this could still go wrong. We'll have to wait and see what happens.

Another loose thread is WMDs. The purported purpose of this war, at least at first, was to keep Iraq from supplying NBC weapons to terrorists. We have yet to find these weapons. If there weren't any, then the miliary action succeeded but there may be political cost to Bush. If the weapons were all destroyed shortly before the war, it's a clear win. If weapons have been hidden or exported, then we still risk failing to achieve our objective. Again, time will tell.

(And to pre-empt certain knee-jerk bashers, no I don't want the new Iraqi government to fail, and no I don't hope that terrorists get the WMDs just to make Bush look bad.)

 

[EXman]

GO BUSH! Go Marines!

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Yep, that'd be my answer. Certainly the military action to date has been highly successful. The broader picture also looks good, but there are still some loose ends that could give us trouble. For example, although we got rid of Saddam's regime, we still need to replace it with something better. Otherwise, we may wind up back at square one. There are lots of ways this could still go wrong. We'll have to wait and see what happens.

Another loose thread is WMDs. The purported purpose of this war, at least at first, was to keep Iraq from supplying NBC weapons to terrorists. We have yet to find these weapons. If there weren't any, then the miliary action succeeded but there may be political cost to Bush. If the weapons were all destroyed shortly before the war, it's a clear win. If weapons have been hidden or exported, then we still risk failing to achieve our objective. Again, time will tell.

(And to pre-empt certain knee-jerk bashers, no I don't want the new Iraqi government to fail, and no I don't hope that terrorists get the WMDs just to make Bush look bad.)

I can respect that answer and heck I even agree with it :Q

Some politics involved but not inflamatory in nature so all is good.

Militarily we've taken most objectives with little or No casualties and have for the most part kept the civilians out of harms way. There is/was alot of planning that went into the "collateral damage" aspect to this war and I think those military advisors and tacticians did a wonderful job - even though some might have thought we did some things that put our troops at greater risk.

CkG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Militarily we've taken most objectives with little or No casualties and have for the most part kept the civilians out of harms way. There is/was alot of planning that went into the "collateral damage" aspect to this war and I think those military advisors and tacticians did a wonderful job - even though some might have thought we did some things that put our troops at greater risk.

CkG

I agree, the military deserves great credit for being so careful with civilian life. There were scattered incidents of unnecessary force, but that's inevitable when you have a couple hundred thousand mostly young, often frightened men and women with loaded weapons milling around. Overall, kudos are in order.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: jjones
No, it was a failure. It took longer than three minutes and people got hurt, some even died, Saddam wasn't killed the first second of the war, WMD weren't found inside of two minutes, 100% of the Republican Guard didn't surrender, not every single civilian was glad to see US troops, the Iraqi people haven't written a new constitution, there hasn't been a democratically elected leader yet, Iraq is not yet a shining example of democratic freedom in the Middle East.

What's taking so long?

He hehehe...